Nordic Aliens

[Norm3]

My brother was looking into our ancestors and found out that our bloodline is linked to a conspiracy theory about "nordic aliens" and the first thing that came to mind was something I saw lurking on here about the Asgardians possibly being an alien race. Personally I think the more vague the origins of Asgard are the better as far as the movie goes, but interesting still.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_aliens

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60055/pg1

Try figu.org if you want the alien earth history.

 

[misjuevos]

over explanation is sometimes bad, look at star wars prequels. the force getting broken down and explained was lame. just stick with the comic mythology, don't worry about the actual norse mythology.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Then the explanation for Thor is that he's a Norse God. There is no explanation how gamma rays create giant green monsters, or how a spider bite can alter someone's DNA, regardless of radiation. These things just happen, but since they're veiled by the explanation of "science" some people think that that makes them more acceptable on face value. It's ridiculous.

Great post,SuperFerret.

 

[Red Mask]

I thought it would be better to explain that Asgard isn't a floating rock but an entire planet amongst eight other planets. That way you could explain why there's so much ethnic diversity, like with Hogun the Grim and this black Heimdall. The best of each region come to live amongst the Aesir.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Or Asgard just has different races and the people who came to worship them just happened to be the Norse. I'm not really sure why there necessarily has to be a link between the ethnicity of the gods and that of their followers...

 

[Red Mask]

Or Asgard just has different races and the people who came to worship them just happened to be the Norse. I'm not really sure why there necessarily has to be a link between the ethnicity of the gods and that of their followers...

It's because followers and descendents love to lay claim to celestial beings. The more they resemble them the more they feel justified in their connection to the divine.

 

[Webhead2006]

it will probably play out there interdimensional beings.

 

[misjuevos]

i'd rather they keep the norse gods fantasy, rather than sci fi. them being aliens makes me think of the fifth element or stargate when i want to be thinking its like ancient mythology.

 

[Aeltri]

Seconded, the movie would lean more towards Science Fiction if it were an adaptation of Earth X's Thor. Earth 616, on the other hand, is an almost entirely Science-Fantasy setting.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be nice if they are fantasy base and all that, but they could still play interdimensional beings as fasntasy/magical types.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Pretty much. There's nothing inherently sci-fi about living in an alternate dimension at this point. Plenty of alternate dimensions exist in works of fantasy. They're just representative of the unknown places that man can't access. "The West" in Lord of the Rings could easily be interpreted as an alternate dimension that represents death and the home of the higher, magical beings, like the wizards and such. The point is that magic-types are supernatural, meaning they must come from somewhere outside of nature, i.e. another dimension.

 

[Webhead2006]

yup

 

[DoubleM]

My brother was looking into our ancestors and found out that our bloodline is linked to a conspiracy theory about "nordic aliens" and the first thing that came to mind was something I saw lurking on here about the Asgardians possibly being an alien race. Personally I think the more vague the origins of Asgard are the better as far as the movie goes, but interesting still.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_aliens

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60055/pg1

Yes that was my post your talking about. I think the more plausible conclusion is to make the Asgardians aliens to fit in with the rest of the universe.

We will see

 

[SuperFerret]

The Asgardians fit in with the rest of the universe just fine thank you.

 

[DoubleM]

The Asgardians fit in with the rest of the universe just fine thank you.

We will see

 

[Drz]

Odin was said to have created humanity with Ask and Embla, but again, why would that ever be something that would come up in the film? The Greek gods appear all the time without referencing their creation myths.

Yeah but we're talking abouta movie universe with aliens and Iron Men. Whatever those other movies with greek gods are about, thats their movie universe, but here we're talking about the Marvel movie universe, not just one franchise.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Do we know what accents they're using? It would be a little distracting if they had American accents. Then again, having a black "Norse god" seems pretty distracting in itself...

 

[Son of Coul]

Seems like they'll basically be regarded as inter-dimensional beings which if you ask me is the way to go. I don't think they'll break down these ridiculous explanations. The movie seems to basically be about these two worlds meeting and the gods are gods because they fit that description in the eyes of humans.

And Corp, it's not like Greek gods get a free pass because they're Greek gods or something. It's not a double standard. It's about the movie meshing with the semi-realistic modern world being portrayed by the IM, TIH, and Cap movies. I know it might sound great to Thor fans to just have it be that "Norse mythology is true- end of story, everyone buy that and if they can't, too bad," but it just... doesn't work. I can't articulate it, but it's just too jarring for people who have bought into all these other movies for Marvel to just be like "oh yea, Norse gods exist too, lol".

As for a "black Norse god" They've already established that they're not Norse, just worshipped by the Norsemen or something, that's why there can be black dudes and asian-looking guys and stuff and it gets a free pass. They're Asgardian, other-wordly beings and that's how it should be imo.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

We will see

We can already see in the comics, where the Asgardians have been magical gods who live in another dimension for upwards of 40 years now.

 

[Shivsguy616]

As for a "black Norse god" They've already established that they're not Norse, just worshipped by the Norsemen or something, that's why there can be black dudes and asian-looking guys and stuff and it gets a free pass.

Okay. But when I say "Norse gods" I don't mean gods who are Norse, I mean the gods which were thought up by the Norse. But I guess if they actually existed it would make sense that they weren't exclusively Norse... though that wouldn't explain why the Norse never got word of any black or asian gods.

EDIT: Though on second thought, that could be explained away using the same mechanism which leads to some Americans depicting Jesus as 6 foot tall with blue eyes and long blond hair, and some Chinese depicting him as asian... so, that's one conundrum solved.

 

[SuperFerret]

If your god didn't look like you, you'd either stop believing, or change your perception of said god.

And nothing in Thor's canon is unrealistic when placed next to the other Avengers.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

over explanation is sometimes bad, look at star wars prequels. the force getting broken down and explained was lame. just stick with the comic mythology, don't worry about the actual norse mythology.

I'm glad someone brought up Star Wars. It's a perfect example for this argument. The first trilogy has the "Galaxy far, far away" line to tell you to stop believing it's anything like our world. The newer ones are balls deep in scientific exposition and try to explain stuff people already would have believed.

i would just set up a title with "The Realm of Asgard" or something and have the establishing shot of Asgard with the rainbow bridge. General audience people will just be like "Ok, this is not Earth". Mission accomplished.

 

[misjuevos]

Do we know what accents they're using? It would be a little distracting if they had American accents. Then again, having a black "Norse god" seems pretty distracting in itself...

they hired lots of british actors im assuming they will use british accents. similar to the hulk vs thor characters. not sure they would try to use scandinavian accents. also with all the thees and thous the british accent seems like the way they are going.

 

[Drz]

We can already see in the comics, where the Asgardians have been magical gods who live in another dimension for upwards of 40 years now.

Yeah but saying "It's magic!" is kinda weak answer, and you know characters like Tony Stark would have a hard time accepting an answer like that.

 

[obin_gam]

yeah but saying "it's magic!" is kinda weak answer, and you know characters like tony stark would have a hard time accepting an answer like that.

a wizard did it!