OFFICIAL: Best CBM of 2014 thread (so far)

[Erzengel]

I am talking about all emotion, not just sad moments, I am talking about uplifting moments that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up, DOFP and even GOTG had more of all of those moment than TWS did. In fairness, the Russo's are a lot less experience as directors than Singer, and even less so than Gunn as well. So this could be a reason.

I just dont think TWS explored its emotional moments enough, especially considering what was happening during the movie. Its one of its few flaws.

DOFP took you through the full range of emotions though, humour, uplifting, happy, sad, fearful and more, its emotional content was what made the movie so enjoyable for me. Some of my favourite moments are the uplifting ones. Charles accepting the chair again, Charles seeing all of the good that happens in the future after seeing Logans painful past, Charles letting Mystique decide her own fate and the fate of mutant kind at the end, and finally, that amazing ending in future which shows everyone back at the mansion. TWS had nothing as uplifting as those moments.

Cap's speech to Shield. Cap telling Fury that Hydra and Shield had to be taken down. Falcon keeping a vigil on Steve. Cap and Black Widows dialogue after NJ.

Obviously some people including me, enjoyed DOFP but didn't experience these "uplifting" scenes. They just felt part of the story and wasn't necessarily a religious experience for us.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Cap's speech to Shield. Cap telling Fury that Hydra and Shield had to be taken down. Falcon keeping a vigil on Steve. Cap and Black Widows dialogue after NJ.

While I dont agree with some of them, I never once stated TWS does not have those moments.

Obviously some people including me, enjoyed DOFP but didn't experience these "uplifting" scenes. They just felt part of the story and wasn't necessarily a religious experience for us.

Who said anything about it being religious, again you are putting words in my mouth. And what is the need for the sly comments? I dont put them in my posts to you and I would appreciate the same courtesy.

I never once said everyone enjoyed those moments in DOFP either, but for ME those moments, and numerous other emotions the movie made me go through, are what elevates above the other CBM's on offer last year.

 

[Erzengel]

You said TWS had nothing as uplifting? If you didn't want it interpreted as not having those moments, you should have said worded it differently?

And lastly, I didn't mean any disrespect.

I just debating what you said. Xavier reaching out to Mystique. Getting in the wheelchair? I just didn't thing as much of those scenes. Look in Steve's eyes when he says to, "Bucky, don't make me do this." I felt was more moving.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You said TWS had nothing as uplifting? If you didn't want it interpreted as not having those moments, you should have said worded it differently?

My actual words were "DOFP and GOTG had MORE of those moment than TWS did." That certainly doesnt say TWS was void of them, it wasnt. I just feel DOFP and GOTG had more moments like that, that were better directed. As I also said though, The Russo's relative inexperience as directors may have been a factor in this.

I also smewhat agree with a poster on the previous page who said they botched the Peggy moment. It was sad, but I was expecting it to be more so with an upbeat conclusion to their interactions.

And lastly, I didn't mean any disrespect.

Fair enough, lets move on from that then.

I just debating what you said. Xavier reaching out to Mystique. Getting in the wheelchair? I just didn't thing as much of those scenes. Look in Steve's eyes when he says to, "Bucky, don't make me do this." I felt was more moving.

Well this is something we are just going to have to agree to disagree on. I didnt really feel anything in that moment with Steve. The only time I felt anything in that scene was the end of the fight when Steve is pleading with Bucky to remember, and then he says the "end of the line" stuff. THAT moment gets me every time.

 

[BoredGuy]

30 Pages of Aveitwithjamon Saying "DOFP has the most feelz" and others saying "No, Cap has the most feelz!

this is possibly one of the most useless, "round-and-round" conversations on the entire Hype

let's all just call it a day and say
"different people felt different things"
it's shocking, I know

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Cap is still winning the poll

 

[Snow Queen]

Cap is still winning the poll

As much as I love that film and scene, makes me really wish they made me give a damn about Bucky in The First Avenger.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

30 Pages of Aveitwithjamon Saying "DOFP has the most feelz" and others saying "No, Cap has the most feelz!

Its funny the times I have praised Cap on this thread and the actual pages I have spent praising GOTG go totally unnoticed

this is possibly one of the most useless, "round-and-round" conversations on the entire Hype

Which I and others have said many times.

let's all just call it a day and say
"different people felt different things"
it's shocking, I know

Now what would be the fun in that? It would make men like you a bored guy, wait.......

As much as I love that film and scene, makes me really wish they made me give a damn about Bucky in The First Avenger.

Same here, its a really good scene, but if more effort had been put into Bucky and his story with Steve in the first movie, it would have hit much, much harder. Its why sometimes I think another movie in WWII would have been a good idea for the Cap franchise. But in fairness they had to set him up for Avengers.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I'd give it to Day's of Future Past just about,.

 

[BoredGuy]

Its funny the times I have praised Cap on this thread and the actual pages I have spent praising GOTG go totally unnoticed

well let's be honest, most of your posts have said "I liked Cap 2 buuuut..."
not exactly glowing recommendations, and when it comes to comparisons things get much more negative
but others, myself included, have done the same in reverse.

I just grow weary of such arguments, they, in point of fact, add to my boredom.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

well let's be honest, most of your posts have said "I liked Cap 2 buuuut..."
not exactly glowing recommendations, and when it comes to comparisons things get much more negative
but others, myself included, have done the same in reverse.

I just grow weary of such arguments, they, in point of fact, add to my boredom.

Most of my posts have been praising DOFP and GOTG, a lot of when people have tried to make comparisons to Cap with the other movies i have pointed out what I have found superior in those. I have also explicity stated numerous times that in terms of action Cap is the outright winner. Some other things I didnt find up to par. Many posts dont mention Cap at all.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

As much as I love that film and scene, makes me really wish they made me give a damn about Bucky in The First Avenger.

That's always been my main complaint about TFA. Add another montage to emphasize the passage of time during the war a bit more, and add a little bit more Bucky. Just a couple extra scenes would have done it.

Personally *I* would have had him survive the train only to be lost on the Valkyrie, during the scene where Cap fights the bomber drones. Bucky clinging onto the side of one of the drones, taking it out and being lost in the ensuing explosion would have matched up with the original rocket incident nicely imo

 

[TalismanRing]

That's always been my main complaint about TFA. Add another montage to emphasize the passage of time during the war a bit more, and add a little bit more Bucky. Just a couple extra scenes would have done it.

Personally *I* would have had him survive the train only to be lost on the Valkyrie, during the scene where Cap fights the bomber drones. Bucky clinging onto the side of one of the drones, taking it out and being lost in the ensuing explosion would have matched up with the original rocket incident nicely imo

I had enough Bucky in TFA to care - the early scenes, the rescue scene, the bar recruitment scene, Steve's grief showed me enough of their closeness and more importantly what he meant to Steve.

The problem with your timeline for me is that then we wouldn't see Steve grieving for him in TFA, or get the conversation about choice with Peggy (that's later echoed by Steve) and with no separation between that and the end scene it would also lessen the emotional impact of his saying goodbye to Peggy when Bucky died a minute ago.

(and then on top of all that he wakes up 70 years later and Fury is asking is if he's alright and 10 days later he's fighting Aliens and getting snarked at by Tony.)

 

[Whiskey Tango]

fair enough.

 

[CB Fan]

I had enough Bucky in TFA to care - the early scenes, the rescue scene, the bar recruitment scene, Steve's grief showed me enough of their closeness and more importantly what he meant to Steve.

The problem with your timeline for me is that then we wouldn't see Steve grieving for him in TFA, or get the conversation about choice with Peggy (that's later echoed by Steve) and with no separation between that and the end scene it would also lessen the emotional impact of his saying goodbye to Peggy when Bucky died a minute ago.

(and then on top of all that he wakes up 70 years later and Fury is asking is if he's alright and 10 days later he's fighting Aliens and getting snarked at by Tony.)

Thank You! Bucky was in TFA a lot and his friendship with Cap is shown as important in the film. One of the best/saddest scenes is Cap trying to get drunk after Bucky "dies".

 

[BoredGuy]

That's always been my main complaint about TFA. Add another montage to emphasize the passage of time during the war a bit more, and add a little bit more Bucky. Just a couple extra scenes would have done it.

Personally *I* would have had him survive the train only to be lost on the Valkyrie, during the scene where Cap fights the bomber drones. Bucky clinging onto the side of one of the drones, taking it out and being lost in the ensuing explosion would have matched up with the original rocket incident nicely imo

I had enough Bucky in TFA to care - the early scenes, the rescue scene, the bar recruitment scene, Steve's grief showed me enough of their closeness and more importantly what he meant to Steve.

The problem with your timeline for me is that then we wouldn't see Steve grieving for him in TFA, or get the conversation about choice with Peggy (that's later echoed by Steve) and with no separation between that and the end scene it would also lessen the emotional impact of his saying goodbye to Peggy when Bucky died a minute ago.

(and then on top of all that he wakes up 70 years later and Fury is asking is if he's alright and 10 days later he's fighting Aliens and getting snarked at by Tony.)

I think you guys are both right, mostly

That's why, I've always believed that the train scene itself should've been longer.

Instead of the brief like 5 minute or so action snippet with Cap and Bucky fighting a few thugs, it should've been a full-on action set-piece. 10-15 minutes, involve most of the howling commandos, and instead of having Bucky grab the shield for protection and get blasted, he should've picked up the shield to protect Steve, making losing him that much harder and making Cap blame himself for letting him die. Plus it would have echoes of the scene of Steve jumping on the grenade, but it would be Bucky's big hero moment. I just felt it was such a brief way of disposing of Bucky that it deserved more weight than what it got, and adding a couple extra minutes of banter and in-jokes would solidify the relationship just that tiny bit more.

If they had done that, there could've been more development of their friendship, without impacting the emotional moments later in the film.

IMO

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think you guys are both right, mostly

That's why, I've always believed that the train scene itself should've been longer.

Instead of the brief like 5 minute or so action snippet with Cap and Bucky fighting a few thugs, it should've been a full-on action set-piece. 10-15 minutes, involve most of the howling commandos, and instead of having Bucky grab the shield for protection and get blasted, he should've picked up the shield to protect Steve, making losing him that much harder and making Cap blame himself for letting him die. Plus it would have echoes of the scene of Steve jumping on the grenade, but it would be Bucky's big hero moment. I just felt it was such a brief way of disposing of Bucky that it deserved more weight than what it got, and adding a couple extra minutes of banter and in-jokes would solidify the relationship just that tiny bit more.

If they had done that, there could've been more development of their friendship, without impacting the emotional moments later in the film.

IMO

Couldn't agree more with all of this. Would made their moments in TWS hit harder as well IMO.

 

[Quasimod0]

Thats a great idea BoredGuy.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

I know it isn't based on a cb, but on my list DotPotA pushes DoFP out of the top 3.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know it isn't based on a cb, but on my list DotPotA pushes DoFP out of the top 3.

Dawn is an amazing movie, it's in my top 3 for last year, but for me GOTG and DOFP are just above it at 2nd and 1st respectively. I do love this new Apes franchise though and love Reeves as a director.

 

[BoredGuy]

Still haven't seen either of the new Apes movies
I know I should, based on what I hear about them, I think Franco just put me off too bad the first time around

 

[The Joker]

I know it isn't based on a cb, but on my list DotPotA pushes DoFP out of the top 3.

What is DotPota?

 

[-Arya-]

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. There is a comic series out there right now so it technically would be classified as a CBM.

 

[GL's Light]

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. There is a comic series out there right now so it technically would be classified as a CBM.

No, to be a CBM the material must originate, or at least be principally popularized, in the comic book medium. Lots of movies and TV shows that didn't originate as comic book adaptations later have comic books based on them. It doesn't make them CBMs.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Still haven't seen either of the new Apes movies
I know I should, based on what I hear about them, I think Franco just put me off too bad the first time around

You are missing out BG, they are both great films, with the sequel being even better than the first.

No, to be a CBM the material must originate, or at least be principally popularized, in the comic book medium. Lots of movies and TV shows that didn't originate as comic book adaptations later have comic books based on them. It doesn't make them CBMs.

Agreed.