Best 3rd movie in a CBM franchise so far?

[Anno_Domini]

Because it was, and possibly still is, the perfect X-Men film.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Because it was, and possibly still is, the perfect X-Men film.

And yet little happened in it and the mutant as an outcast angle was almost entirely lost.

 

[Snow Queen]

The Dark Knight Rises
Iron Man 3
Batman Forever

...and I can't stand any of the others. The only one in there that really gets me mad though is X3. I really loved Rogue in the previous films and was so disappointed that they completely went back on her character arc by having her take the cure.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

The Dark Knight Rises
Iron Man 3
Batman Forever

...and I can't stand any of the others. The only one in there that really gets me mad though is X3. I really loved Rogue in the previous films and was so disappointed that they completely went back on her character arc by having her take the cure.

But she was never really happy with having a boyfriend she cannot touch (but any other girl can).

 

[Snow Queen]

But she was never really happy with having a boyfriend she cannot touch (but any other girl can).

Her character arc throughout the films was learning to come to terms with that. Sure, be tempted by the cure, that makes sense, but it goes against how she's developed in previous films.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Her character arc throughout the films was learning to come to terms with that. Sure, be tempted by the cure, that makes sense, but it goes against how she's developed in previous films.

Coming to terms is not just a one-way street. I understand what you say and I was sure they were going to follow the usual route: heroes learn to live with their uniqueness. But Rogue was always described as a teenager and they don't accept what they are easily, specially if that means eternal isolation. I thought for once these movies didn't follow the classic way and went the way a real rogue would have taken. And I'm glad it's being discussed.

 

[Anno_Domini]

And yet little happened in it and the mutant as an outcast angle was almost entirely lost.

And yet it was, and possibly still is, the best X-Men film.

Who cares if some angle was lost out in X2. It was about both sides teaming up for a single cause where Magneto's true colors were then shown.

 

[Doc Ock]

Yah, I'd take the film that had more Cyclops

Indeed!

Wait, that makes me sad now.

 

[Human Torch]

My favorite of the X films (so far) is X2.Everyone gets their time to shine.(Yeah,Cyclops a little less than the rest. ) But the whole thing builds to that great "Wrath of Khan" ending.And I love Nightcrawler!At least one Superhero is allowed to display his Faith and Beliefs unabashedly in this cynical age.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

And yet it was, and possibly still is, the best X-Men film.

Who cares if some angle was lost out in X2. It was about both sides teaming up for a single cause where Magneto's true colors were then shown.

For the same reason I could say X3 is better because not only the most important angle in the X-Men concept is there again, but it's also questioned. In X-Men 1 Magneto claimed mutation was the next step in evolution while Xavier said both mutants and non-mutants can live together. In X2 nothing happened about it because all that matters was that villain that was to be fought. But in X3 mutation is being re-defined as a disease since they have a "cue" for it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Indeed!

Wait, that makes me sad now.

That Cyclops died or that he was cheapened in X3?

My favorite of the X films (so far) is X2.Everyone gets their time to shine.(Yeah,Cyclops a little less than the rest. ) But the whole thing builds to that great "Wrath of Khan" ending.And I love Nightcrawler!At least one Superhero is allowed to display his Faith and Beliefs unabashedly in this cynical age.

All great reasons why X2: X-Men United is the better film of that trilogy. Personally, I would give X-Men: First Class a higher grade over all the X-Men films, but for that specific trilogy, X2 wins.

For the same reason I could say X3 is better because not only the most important angle in the X-Men concept is there again, but it's also questioned. In X-Men 1 Magneto claimed mutation was the next step in evolution while Xavier said both mutants and non-mutants can live together. In X2 nothing happened about it because all that matters was that villain that was to be fought. But in X3 mutation is being re-defined as a disease since they have a "cue" for it.

So you'd give X3 the nod just because it goes back to that outcast angle even when it's short, simple and cheap?

 

[Snow Queen]

I think what irritates me the most about X3 is that there are GREAT ideas in there. The cure needed more time, as did the Dark Phoenix parts.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I think what irritates me the most about X3 is that there are GREAT ideas in there. The cure needed more time, as did the Dark Phoenix parts.

Agree x 1,000

X-Men: The Last Stand had some great ideas and great potential. There being a cure for mutants, the Dark Phoenix story arc, even Magneto creating a massive army. All great potential.

It's just when they kill Cyclops off so easily, ruin Professor X in one film, screw up Juggernaut, make quick haste on every one of the film's arcs....just a disaster of a film amongst many 3rd CBM disaster installments.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

So you'd give X3 the nod just because it goes back to that outcast angle even when it's short, simple and cheap?

Far from it, it expanded it beyond the simple, mutant = discriminated minorities. There was a political angle in which a condition that could be considered just different is re-defined. Having a "cure" allows society to re-define mutation as a "disease." Far more brilliant than the average good guys vs bad guys approach from X2, filled with characters that evolve nothing or really slow until the very end.

I'll agree with Gotham's Knight, though, in that it needed more time.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think if they minimized the amount of *characters* that were in the movie, it would have been so much better. Sure it was cool and interesting to see many mutants in 1 movie but if you don't give them much role or importance, then its really not good.

With the Brotherhood, I wouldn't include Omega Kid, Arclight, Psylocke and Multiple Man. I would just focus on Magneto, Jean, Callisto, Mystique, Pyro and Juggernaut and I would give them more things to do especially Juggernaut.

Then for the X-Men, I would include Angel in the battle as one of the X-Men, I would give Colossus more lines and importance in the team, Cyclops will be in the movie until the climax of the film and even if Rogue takes the cure, I would give her action scene first like in the Danger Room session.

I also wouldn't include Trask in the movie and I would stay true to the physical appearance of Leach in the comics. Plus the movie should have been at least 2hrs/30mins, especially with all the things that were happening in the movie, they should have developed the characters more.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Far from it, it expanded it beyond the simple, mutant = discriminated minorities. There was a political angle in which a condition that could be considered just different is re-defined. Having a "cure" allows society to re-define mutation as a "disease." Far more brilliant than the average good guys vs bad guys approach from X2, filled with characters that evolve nothing or really slow until the very end.

Adding a political angle doesn't make it any better. Hell, it had a political angle from the start in the first film. X3 was just trying to copy what the first film pulled and added the cure idea, and like I said, made it all short and sweet.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Adding a political angle doesn't make it any better. Hell, it had a political angle from the start in the first film. X3 was just trying to copy what the first film pulled and added the cure idea, and like I said, made it all short and sweet.

It does make it better when it's not just re-cycling the very same ideas but a great twist in the concept, treating mutation as a disease indirectly.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I think if they minimized the amount of *characters* that were in the movie, it would have been so much better. Sure it was cool and interesting to see many mutants in 1 movie but if you don't give them much role or importance, then its really not good.

With the Brotherhood, I wouldn't include Omega Kid, Arclight, Psylocke and Multiple Man. I would just focus on Magneto, Jean, Callisto, Mystique, Pyro and Juggernaut and I would give them more things to do especially Juggernaut.

Then for the X-Men, I would include Angel in the battle as one of the X-Men, I would give Colossus more lines and importance in the team, Cyclops will be in the movie until the climax of the film and even if Rogue takes the cure, I would give her action scene first like in the Danger Room session.

I also wouldn't include Trask in the movie and I would stay true to the physical appearance of Leach in the comics. Plus the movie should have been at least 2hrs/30mins, especially with all the things that were happening in the movie, they should have developed the characters more.

I sorta agree. For the Brotherhood, I would have actually used Psylocke, but take out Juggernaut(for he was used in such an atrocious manner). And with the X-Men, I would have had Angel join the team once he arrive at the X-Mansion, as well as keeping Cyclops as you mentioned as well, and perhaps he tries to stop Dark Phoenix first, but he dies, so it's then up to Wolverine to stop her. Keep Rogue, and only have her take the cure in the very end, have more badass scenes with Colossus and Iceman and give Kitty Pryde something better to do as well. Beast and Storm were fine in their roles, imo.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It does make it better when it's not just re-cycling the very same ideas but a great twist in the concept, treating mutation as a disease indirectly.

Actually it doesn't make it any better when it's a joke of an arc that could've been so much better. Sorry, but I don't give anything credit when it goes by wayyyy too quickly to feel different.

 

[Snow Queen]

I actually think that the cure was the perfect story for X3. It was the opposite of Magneto trying to make everyone mutants with the government trying to make them human. It's just....there are so many plots, more than X1, but it has the same runtime as the first X-Men. This was a movie that needed at least 2:20-2:30, not 1:44. Also, the whole killing Xavier and then having him come back in another body irritates me. If he's not going to die, don't do it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I actually think that the cure was the perfect story for X3. It was the opposite of Magneto trying to make everyone mutants with the government trying to make them human. It's just....there are so many plots, more than X1, but it has the same runtime as the first X-Men. This was a movie that needed at least 2:20-2:30, not 1:44. Also, the whole killing Xavier and then having him come back in another body irritates me. If he's not going to die, don't do it.

The cure angle could have been so much more, and could've had made me become invested. But it's just there and there's nothing to really question about it, not only that, but Rogue takes it and it's like "Well, who the **** cares", lol.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Actually it doesn't make it any better when it's a joke of an arc that could've been so much better. Sorry, but I don't give anything credit when it goes by wayyyy too quickly to feel different.

Far from a joke it's the spine of the story, what starts the action and keeps it moving and what can re-define not only in the characters minds but also in the audience what mutation is and how to take a minority in terms of their differences. And that's far better than any X2 did.

The cure angle could have been so much more, and could've had made me become invested. But it's just there and there's nothing to really question about it, not only that, but Rogue takes it and it's like "Well, who the **** cares", lol.

There's everything to question about it. It's there and it's what gives Magneto the ideal speech to attack humans before they are extinct. It also starts this war for survival. Much much meatier than anything in X2, once again.

And again, far from lol, we see the whole problem Rogue is facing as a teenager and then she takes the decision the average superhero movie would have avoided like hell. Unlike Jean in X2 who died only to be revived 5 minutes later.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Far from a joke it's the spine of the story, what starts the action and keeps it moving and what can re-define not only in the characters minds but also in the audience what mutation is and how to take a minority in terms of their differences. And that's far better than any X2 did.

Even as the "spine" of the story, it went by too fast to care. And so, I didn't care about it, lol.

There's everything to question about it. It's there and it's what gives Magneto the ideal speech to attack humans before they are extinct. It also starts this war for survival. Much much meatier than anything in X2, once again.

It gave Magneto more ammo, but nothing more. Magneto was already wanting to go into war with humans, but now for more causes than before.

And again, far from lol, we see the whole problem Rogue is facing as a teenager and then she takes the decision the average superhero movie would have avoided like hell. Unlike Jean in X2 who died only to be revived 5 minutes later.

5 minutes in film's time, I guess, lol. If Rogue waited until the end and we see her contemplating throughout, then that would've been exceedingly better. I don't even remember Rogue mentioning the idea to Bobby even.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Even as the "spine" of the story, it went by too fast to care. And so, I didn't care about it, lol.

Oh, my lol friend, far from it. It was there during the whole movie. The spine of the story in X2, on the other hand, was Wolverine going to look for his past. After two hours and so... nothing happened with it.

It gave Magneto more ammo, but nothing more. Magneto was already wanting to go into war with humans, but now for more causes than before.

It gave Magneto new followers too and it did because it had a new way to put a perspective into his plans. Now it's not just one senator, it's a whole re-definition of what they are, and a re-definition that suggests they should be, as any other disease, eliminated.

5 minutes in film's time, I guess, lol. If Rogue waited until the end and we see her contemplating throughout, then that would've been exceedingly better. I don't even remember Rogue mentioning the idea to Bobby even.

Probably because the relationship between her and Bobby (and the problems of its) was properly developed during the film. One relationship that went nowhere, on the other hand, was that of Wolverine and Jane in X2, lol.

 

[Snow Queen]

I believe I remember that she did mention it. I just watched it again recently (I get a kick out of seeing my neighbourhood in it) and I seem to remember her bringing it up to him at least in passing.