Official DD Thread

[Nightwing 52]

Sneak peek at #509:

 

[kguillou]

I just caught up on #507, and man i dunno bout you guys but i am loving the hell out of this new status quo for DD. This is how you keep a character fresh. How cool would it be if DD can actually succeed in transforming the Hand into a force of good?

 

[runawayboulder]

I don't think that's the idea. Well it's DD's idea. But Marvel's plan is for DD's plan to go haywire, turning him to the Parallax of this decade.

 

[mre]

I also just caught up. Diggle's not too bad at all taking over to Brubaker, but I do still miss his writing.
Love where this whole storyline is going. They have been keeping Daredevil amazing for such a long time.
Can't wait for Shadowland.

 

[runawayboulder]

It's amazing that for 11 years consecutive DD has been incredible, sandwiched in that time was one of the sh***iest Marvel movies ever.

 

[Drz]

Got my mail that DD Ultimate collection vol. 1 by Bendis just shipped!

 

[kguillou]

I don't think that's the idea. Well it's DD's idea. But Marvel's plan is for DD's plan to go haywire, turning him to the Parallax of this decade.

I think its just misdirection on Marvel's part. They're not gonna turn one of their most beloved and consistent characters into a bad guy. Its just not gonna happen. If they did, the fans would create a s*** storm 10x worse than Spider-man's OMD.

 

[mre]

Would there be a **** storm though?
I can't wait to see what happens, but I think I could go either way. Villain (for a while) or superhero.
I mean, look at everything Matt has done, and had happen to him. His ID is out, he became the Kingpin, he was locked up in prison for a while, now he leads the Hand. On top of that the stuff in his personal life.
He'll either be saved or continue on his path. Either way I think it's going to be great.

 

[kguillou]

Trust me dude, the minute DD crosses the line between good and bad, you'd be pissed off just like every other DD fan. The great thing about DD is that he's a tormented hero who's constantly being dragged down by his superhero and personal life. But at the end of the day, he prevails and comes through as a hero. The fun of it all is seeing just how far DD can be pushed until he comes back from the brink. But once you lose the "heroic" aspect of the character then its no longer the same character you loved.

Anyway the worst thats gonna happen is DD will murder Bulleseye (who's had it coming for a long long time) and the heroes will be outraged and DD will have to live with the guilt. Biut he wont become a villain.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think its just misdirection on Marvel's part. They're not gonna turn one of their most beloved and consistent characters into a bad guy. Its just not gonna happen. If they did, the fans would create a s*** storm 10x worse than Spider-man's OMD.

Except at least with Daredevil, the build up to his potential fall has been built up excellently.

Spider-Man on the other hand, the build up to OMD was a "tie-in" to the Spider-Man 3 movie and then give up his marriage to save his aunt's life while she told him to let her go.

 

[kguillou]

But come on, you really wouldn't mind seeing Daredevil become a villain?? Really?

 

[Dark Victory]

Got my mail that DD Ultimate collection vol. 1 by Bendis just shipped!

I own both omnibuses. Best $200 I've spent on a comic.

 

[Judge Holden]

It's amazing that for 11 years consecutive DD has been incredible, sandwiched in that time was one of the sh***iest Marvel movies ever.

No way man, the Directors Cut was pretty awesome. Nailed the essence of the character and what he is about better than a lot of other comic book films which get praised more.

It did have some weak spots though... like the cheesy romance sub plot and that fight in the playground.

 

[Drz]

I own both omnibuses. Best $200 I've spent on a comic.

Hahha must be! But the two Omnibuses in total are more than 200 bucks now. Atleast the last time i checked. They're very pricy and rare. Hence i'll just spent 100ish bucks to get 3 books.

 

[runawayboulder]

No way man, the Directors Cut was pretty awesome. Nailed the essence of the character and what he is about better than a lot of other comic book films which get praised more.

It did have some weak spots though... like the cheesy romance sub plot and that fight in the playground.

Never saw the dir cut.

 

[Alastor]

It was a surprising improvement over the theatrical release. Still, I thought the costume sucked.

 

[mre]

Trust me dude, the minute DD crosses the line between good and bad, you'd be pissed off just like every other DD fan. The great thing about DD is that he's a tormented hero who's constantly being dragged down by his superhero and personal life. But at the end of the day, he prevails and comes through as a hero. The fun of it all is seeing just how far DD can be pushed until he comes back from the brink. But once you lose the "heroic" aspect of the character then its no longer the same character you loved.

Anyway the worst thats gonna happen is DD will murder Bulleseye (who's had it coming for a long long time) and the heroes will be outraged and DD will have to live with the guilt. Biut he wont become a villain.

Has he not crossed the line already though? Beating cops and taking them to an underground prison and starving them?

 

[runawayboulder]

They were bad cops on Osborn's payroll. Even Castle said in the recent PunisherMax that even when you kill a dirty cop you're crossing a line. It's MAX I know....

I'm totally ready for a evil DD. It's the natural next step for DD considering Karen Page died 11yrs ago. And since[BLACKOUT] Bullseye[/BLACKOUT] is most likely getting [BLACKOUT]killed[/BLACKOUT] soon....2+2=4

 

[Alastor]

I think that could be interesting. I'm not sure Matt should become "evil", but I wouldn't mind him staying in charge of The Hand and be in a moral gray area. The guy has been through so much, it should have an affect on him. I just can't see him going back to being "lawyer/super-hero" patrolling Hells Kitchen.

 

[runawayboulder]

Maybe he'll do some crazy s**t like become a priest to atone for his past sins. He's a devout Catholic right? A priest/vigilante super hero. Hmmmmmmmmmm........

 

[Alastor]

Hmmm indeed. I'd read that.

 

[kguillou]

Wow, i'm shocked at how many of you are actually ready for DD to go bad. Really? I mean to each his own but i thought we'd all be in agreement as DD fans that we'd all prefer him as a dark hero. I'd never want to see him become evil. That would completely ruin the character for me. I mean in any case i highly doubt Marvel has the balls to go that route and their advertisements for Shadowland are a little too "obvious". Turning a popular superhero bad is an incredibly risky move that could potentially lose a lot of fans i would think.

 

[Shockdingo]

I'm all for murky nature of morality, but why would he go evil? I mean not gritty and maybe a bit loopy, but why would he throwaway everything (faith, friends, respect, goals, honor to his fallen father etc) to become evil? Not shaky morals/ shades of gray/moral ambiguity, I mean villainous? That would be a stretch and a terrible move. I'm looking towards Shadowland to see Matt struggle in ways he's never struggled before, but it's no fun if the hero looks down into the darkness and accepts the evil, the darkness, the corruption. I can understand his monumental strain of late, but a complete abandonment of who the character is supposed to be would be hideous.

 

[runawayboulder]

He'd go evil because he's been through the wringer for the past decade. And IMO he isn't as nearly as strong willed as a Peter Parker or Steve Rogers, I don't care what writer has him do what.

You're talking about a guy who gave Frank Castle a thou shalt not kill speech but around the same time tried to throw an infant off a rooftop.

 

[kguillou]

Thank you Shockdingo, thats how i feel as well. It would just be plain horrible and depressing if DD just finally threw up his hands and gave in to the darkness. Its great to see the character give in a little bit like we've seen him lately but to go all out and switch sides would be ridiculous. Again, I think marvel's teasers are just messin with us. Shadowland will push Matt to the very brink but at the end he'll emerge from it. Thats whats always been so great and consistnent about the character.m