Official DD Thread

[hippie_hunter]

Aloha,
Nobody? Well I guess this is one of those times it pays to have a long memory.
T'Challa is one of the first super heroes to know that Matt Murdock was DD.In DD #92,DD asked T'Challa to come from Wakanda to wear his DD costume to protect his secret identity.While we have not seen the two together in a long time, they have been friends since the 1960's.The idea of BP being the new Man without Fear(for a while) is very consistent with DD continuity.
Spidey rules

No not really. In order for this to work, you need Black Panther and Daredevil interact far more often. Black Panther is nowhere near being a part of Daredevil's inner circle. Both Black Panther and Daredevil have interacted with other heroes throughout their long histories, they can be friends, but they aren't close friends.

Also it's an insult to Black Panther's character due to the fact that Wakanda is in a very dire situation now and needs his leadership.

Instead you have their King in Hell's Kitchen, which can be easily defended by the bajillion superheroes in NYC (Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Captain America, the Falcon, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Black Widow, Dr. Strange, Ms. Marvel, and you have Iron Man, Thor, and Wolverine constantly popping up in the city); their Queen is in San Fransisco (where the X-Men have up to 200 other mutants protecting the city); and Princess Regent now going all over the world from the Savage Land and more. It's nothing short of 100% irresponsibility of the Wakandan Royal Family. They're basically telling their subjects to go screw themselves while they go off to areas that have more than adequate amounts of protection.

I also find the Black Panther to be far more interesting in being a part of the top 8 most intelligent men in the MU and being a king like Namor, Thor/Balder, and Dr. Doom, instead of a Batman ripoff.

 

[kguillou]

Wait, how could T'challa have worn DD's costume and no one noticed anything. DD's costume reveals his skin tone and....T'challa and Murdock dont have the same skin tone???

 

[RockSP]

No one knows the answer?
Hint-It WAS NOT in an issue of Marvel Team UP!

Hmmm...guess I'm thinking of a different storyline then.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Jock, who will be helming artistic duties for DD: Reborn, recently did this sketch:

 

[Donald Thomas]

Wait, how could T'challa have worn DD's costume and no one noticed anything. DD's costume reveals his skin tone and....T'challa and Murdock dont have the same skin tone???

Aloha,
He wore a mask.http://www.donaldspidermanthomas.com/html/comics/2_limited/blackpanther_files/DD_BP_without_fearL.jpg


Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[Donald Thomas]

No not really. In order for this to work, you need Black Panther and Daredevil interact far more often. Black Panther is nowhere near being a part of Daredevil's inner circle. Both Black Panther and Daredevil have interacted with other heroes throughout their long histories, they can be friends, but they aren't close friends.

Also it's an insult to Black Panther's character due to the fact that Wakanda is in a very dire situation now and needs his leadership.

Instead you have their King in Hell's Kitchen, which can be easily defended by the bajillion superheroes in NYC (Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, Captain America, the Falcon, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Black Widow, Dr. Strange, Ms. Marvel, and you have Iron Man, Thor, and Wolverine constantly popping up in the city); their Queen is in San Fransisco (where the X-Men have up to 200 other mutants protecting the city); and Princess Regent now going all over the world from the Savage Land and more. It's nothing short of 100% irresponsibility of the Wakandan Royal Family. They're basically telling their subjects to go screw themselves while they go off to areas that have more than adequate amounts of protection.

I also find the Black Panther to be far more interesting in being a part of the top 8 most intelligent men in the MU and being a king like Namor, Thor/Balder, and Dr. Doom, instead of a Batman ripoff.

Aloha,
While not a Batman rip off, I don't want to see T'Challa disappear from the 1st tier within the Marvel U.When you look at the total BP mythos, you see him out of Wakanda as much as within( this has been the case throughout his history).Look at how Priest's run with T'Challa ended.I'll take him in Hell's Kitchen over a mentally unbalanced monarch. Personally, I want a much more in depth look into Wakandan society.Even without vibranium, they have diamonds, uranium and other resources.Even without the monarch being physically present for lengths of time, they still have a stable society.What's a typical day like for a Wakandan? I don't recall ever reading stories that give that kind of insight.Shuri is the new Black Panther of Wakanda.And yes, I agree, you will not find any mention of Shuri as T'Challa's sister in ANY bio of Black Panther before Hudlin.Bottom line-BP is the first super hero
to know DD's secret identity. DD called on BP to help him preserve his identity by wearing the DD costume. Black Panther the Man without Fear is an idea that was first introduced in Daredevil #92 back in the 1960's.If this new series is T'Challa's way of getting his focus back on his life in relationship to Wakanda and his marriage to Storm, then I'm willing to give it a try.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[Scarecrow_King]

yeah, sure, he may have been the first to know DD's identity. but when was the last time they met? it's been quite a freaking long time.

 

[Donald Thomas]

yeah, sure, he may have been the first to know DD's identity. but when was the last time they met? it's been quite a freaking long time.

Aloha,
Ages.But does not seeing a friend for a long time stop that person from being your friend?
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[Scarecrow_King]

well, you can call yourself a friend. but that doesn't mean you actually do anything about it. I've got hundreds of "friends" on facebook that I never talk to and really couldn't care less about.

If T'challa didn't bother to help or give advice during Matt's outing like Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Captain America, and Reed Richards did (I know T'Challa had his own thing going on), I don't think he really should be stepping in here.

 

[Donald Thomas]

well, you can call yourself a friend. but that doesn't mean you actually do anything about it. I've got hundreds of "friends" on facebook that I never talk to and really couldn't care less about.

If T'challa didn't bother to help or give advice during Matt's outing like Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Captain America, and Reed Richards did (I know T'Challa had his own thing going on), I don't think he really should be stepping in here.

Aloha,
But that's the beauty of comic books. How do we know that all the years that BP was in NY with the Avengers and then during the Priest run when he lived in NY, that he never had contact with Murdock.BP hosted the Illuminati but did not participate. Does that mean that he had no contact with those members after his wedding and then Civil War.In my opinion, the first 100 issues of a comic serves as the foundation of that charcters continuity and mythos. The relationship between BP and DD, was established within those first 100 issues. Just because many were not alive during that time, in no way minimizes the fact that the relationship is canon.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[Scarecrow_King]

yeah, I wouldn't care if Black Panther was in the very first Daredevil and every single of the first 100 issues. If we don't see them interacting for the next 400, we have no reason to believe they have.

I'm sure this'll be retconned to them being BFFs that whole time or something at some point of BP's Man Without Fear run. but this still makes no sense to me. there are other, better choices to replace Matt in Hell's Kitchen.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dude must you start off every post with hola?

And T'challa as DD is a horrible idea. He's BP period, not some chick who is the character for the moment. Not saying the stories are not good(I don't know because I stopped buying BP when she took the mantle)but he's BP.

 

[hippie_hunter]

yeah, I wouldn't care if Black Panther was in the very first Daredevil and every single of the first 100 issues. If we don't see them interacting for the next 400, we have no reason to believe they have.

I'm sure this'll be retconned to them being BFFs that whole time or something at some point of BP's Man Without Fear run. but this still makes no sense to me. there are other, better choices to replace Matt in Hell's Kitchen.

You mean sorta like how Hudlin did with Black Panther and various heroes like Luke Cage and Black Goliath?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I don't know, I haven't read any of that run. this story just seems to lend itself to flashbacks revealing that they've secretly been best buddies this whole time or something.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Aloha,
While not a Batman rip off, I don't want to see T'Challa disappear from the 1st tier within the Marvel U.When you look at the total BP mythos, you see him out of Wakanda as much as within( this has been the case throughout his history).Look at how Priest's run with T'Challa ended.I'll take him in Hell's Kitchen over a mentally unbalanced monarch. Personally, I want a much more in depth look into Wakandan society.Even without vibranium, they have diamonds, uranium and other resources.Even without the monarch being physically present for lengths of time, they still have a stable society.What's a typical day like for a Wakandan? I don't recall ever reading stories that give that kind of insight.Shuri is the new Black Panther of Wakanda.And yes, I agree, you will not find any mention of Shuri as T'Challa's sister in ANY bio of Black Panther before Hudlin.Bottom line-BP is the first super hero
to know DD's secret identity. DD called on BP to help him preserve his identity by wearing the DD costume. Black Panther the Man without Fear is an idea that was first introduced in Daredevil #92 back in the 1960's.If this new series is T'Challa's way of getting his focus back on his life in relationship to Wakanda and his marriage to Storm, then I'm willing to give it a try.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

I'm not saying that he is a Batman rip-off.....yet. But this direction of having Black Panther becoming an urban vigilante wearing a black Batman like costume makes it look like he's becoming a Batman rip-off.

And I'm not saying that he should be a mentally unbalanced monarch. Quite the opposite. I want to see him be the most competent monarch in the Marvel Universe. I want to see him take part in adventures that take advantage of the fact that he is in the top 8 smartest men in the MU. But instead what we're getting is something that will make T'Challa the most incompetent monarch.

I would find it to be more interesting to have T'Challa attempt to rebuild Wakanda after the events of Doomwar. What Black Panther needs is a little bit of a break for a couple of years and then bring on a new writer that would bring in an awesome blend of politics, science, and magic.

 

[E-Man]

Instead of giving T'Challa Daredevil's old title, they should have given him his old writer, Brubaker. Sounds like a more reasonable trade to me.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Brubaker would make an awesome Panther writer.

 

[venom892]

Just recently caught up on Shadowland.I'm really enjoying it.I was thinking of picking up the Elektra one shot.I liked the Ghost Rider one(Which kinda is important to the overall story) but skipped the Bullseye one shot since I heard it wasn't that good.So is the Elektra one worth it?

 

[NightBeetle]

Black Panther: The Man Without Fear #513

DAREDEVIL #511 Preview

 

[Nightwing 52]

BLACK PANTHER: THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR #514
Written by DAVID LISS
Penciled by FRANCESCO FRANCAVILLA
Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
Luke Cage guest stars as T’Challa’s new adventure in NYC continues! The former King of Wakanda has sworn to protect the mean streets of Hell’s Kitchen, and while battling the mob is one thing, how does he stop a killer targeting innocent people? It’s a deadly game of cat-and-mouse, as T’Challa hunts ruthless new crime lord Vlad the Impaler, while Vlad concocts a desperate and bloody scheme to entrap the mysterious new vigilante that’s ruining his plans. T’Challa learns what it really means to be a man without fear, courtesy of award-winning thriller novelist David Liss and the pulp-tastic art of Francesco Francavilla!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

DAREDEVIL: REBORN #1 (of 4)
Written by ANDY DIGGLE
Art by DAVIDE GIANFELICE
Cover by JOCK
The apocalyptic events of SHADOWLAND have left the once-proud legacy of Daredevil in tatters. Now, far from the mean streets of Hell's Kitchen, a new evil is rising, and the only man crazy enough to face it is a man with nothing left to lose. The road to Hell was paved with good intentions, but the long road to redemption is the far harder path...
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99

 

[mre]

So, is Storm and Black Panther still married?

 

[JewishHobbit]

Last I heard yeah, but I don't read Black Panther so I can't say for certain.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

yeah. the writer said that he's explore the relationship between them and explain that Storm understands why T'challa runs off to NY.

now if only they can get US to understand why he's running off to NY to fill a role he's had no real association with for fifteen years.

 

[Harlekin]

That's a pretty cool cover (Daredevil: Reborn #1).

 

[venom892]