Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 9

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I think I'd go so far as to say Ang Lee's Hulk just about matches Davy Jones in CGI quality. Even on the close ups of the face he looked completely real... as opposed to the close up in TIH when he jumped out of the campus onto the grass. Talk about embarassingly bad. I remember thinking "how could that not be real" after Hulk smashed the tank with the other's cannon and walks in front of the sun to the other tank, tapping his palm.
 
Hey Poni, though this movie didn't turn out nearly as great as we had all hoped, I for one appreciate all the "sneak peek" and other info you provided for us during the production of this movie.
 
There were 'moments' when ANges Hulk looked increadible.


Like when he busts out of the cabin and gets shot at but only grows bigger.... there he was perfect



when he has the giant head and he is incased in containment foam....he looks idiotic...
 
Question: Why is CGI in 2003 (i.e. Hulk) still as good as anything in 2011 -- or for that matter, better than Avatar, which was touted to revolutionize CGI? Shouldn't it have improved drastically since then?

I mean, come on, the Hulk looked nearly real. By now, you'd think they could make him look photo realistic.
 
Oh really? So critics from fanboy friendly sites like Empire, SuperHeroHype SFX, HitFix, UGO, Badass Digest (all which were some of the first to post mostly negative reviews along with us), Screenrant, Collider, MovieWeb don't "get" the concept of Green Latern?

Get real

I'm not talking about them necessarily, and it very well may be possible that they may have succumbed to peer pressure (how credible would you be if you went against a top critic like Roger Ebert?). I certainly didn't see what they saw in the film and I believe they were overly critical about it . There are critics that are even sharing the same opinion. How can you call a film silly or dumb when a film like Aladin (the animated feature film that was a similar concept) was well receive by film critics? Furthermore how can you say that the acting in a film was good, the action was good and the special effects were good but yet conclude the film was rotten? A lot of the critics reviewed the film as such (even you). Like I said before, there is a double standard here and I don't think it is fair nor ethical.
 
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I'm not talking about them necessarily, and it very well possible that they may have succumbed to peer pressure (how credible would you be if you went against a top critic like Roger Ebert?). I certainly didn't see what they saw in the film and I believe they were overly critical about it . There are critics that are even sharing the same opinion.

Is there....a critic war going on?
 
I'm not talking about them necessarily, and it very well possible that they may have succumbed to peer pressure (how credible would you be if you went against a top critic like Roger Ebert?). I certainly didn't see what they saw in the film and I believe they were overly critical about it . There are critics that are even sharing the same opinion.

I'm as big of a Green Lantern fan as you can get, and even I can admit the movie stank. It gives me no pleasure to say that. Am I succumbing to peer pressure?
 
I'm as big of a Green Lantern fan as you can get, and even I can admit the movie stank. It gives me no pleasure to say that. Am I succumbing to peer pressure?

And I have said before, the audience applauded in the theater I was in when the film was over (just like other reports). How can I be sure that you haven't caved in to the opinions of the critics? I certainly can't tell.
 
Maybe the fan boys won't like this movie but the non fans & kids will ? The ones that see it anyway
 
And I have said before, the audience applauded in the theater I was in when the film was over (just like other reports). How can I be sure that you haven't caved in to the opinions of the critics? I certainly can't tell.

Agreed.

It seems like the GA enjoyed the movie. I read GL, and I loved this movie!
 
Obviously someone decided practical suits with light effects wasn’t cost effective compared to CGI. I can see that argument. I have a hard time believing that a filmmaking team would just go with the most expensive and inefficient approach for the hell of it.

You guys, it's not the CGI nor is it the budget. It's the concept. Critics think that the notion that a guy that has a ring that can do anything he can imagine is silly (although had it been an Arab beggar/thief with a magic oil lamp that had a genie that would grant him 3 wishes, it would have been a classic). There is a double standard here and it's really not fair nor is it ethical. I think we should stop this discussion about budget and Sfx since it really isn't a factor here. Films like POTC and Spider-Man had higer budgets and used CG as well, but got a pass from critics. It is the perception of the critics that is the issue here and we should be considering (or discounting) that.

I agree this is a clear issue in many of the reviews to a point. They don’t seem to “get” some of it, or think its outright silly.

The way I describe it with TDK is that even though movies like SR and GL try to show the world coming to an end, in TDK you FELT like the world was coming to an end more. Scale/scope is almost insignificant compared to how well you can immerse and engage your audience in the action...and that depends on the filmmaker/writer.

I get that, kind of. But TDK Is one of the best comic book films ever made. Maybe THE best. I don’t think saying “Green Lantern’s was not as good” makes it outright bad”. Though I wouldn’t say I felt the world was coming to an end in TDK. Personally, I found the “boats” plot rather silly and predictable, and I found this and Batman’s final confrontation with The Joker, other than The Joker’s speech, to be one of the film’s weakest points. The tension in that scene felt very, VERY manufactured. I didn’t care about those people, and I cared about them even less when they started spouting silly cliche "Us and not them" lines. I will say, Coast City was supposed to be in danger in GREEN LANTERN. I bought that. That’s all I was asked to buy. Was it the BEST “peril” scenario ever? Nope. But it was still a pretty good one.

But to deny the fact that WB lied to us all is just idiotic. WB made this movie out to be a sci fi extravaganza. We spend about 20 minutes in space.

Where and when did WB say anything that makes you think that you were lied to? This WAS a science fiction movie. There were a lot of sci-fi elements in it.

When was this actually pitched as the next Star Wars? Saying it has some things in common with Star Wars is accurate, really. Green Lantern's mythology does. But who touted it as "The next Star Wars" during the marketing campaign?

Coast City was barely there too. It looked boring as ****. I just saw New Orleans with some CG placement.

Well, Coast City is Coast City. It isn’t Metropolis or Gotham. It’s just a city. In the comics, its a fairly nondescript city. And Coast City looked pretty decent to me, if nothing truly special. It had a pretty sizeable city, a coast, a desert, and Ferris Industries, and these things all looked fine.

Exactly. I can't quite fathom how GL fans are defending this. It's a complete disservice to the character and mythos.

See, when you say things like “Complete” disservice to the character and the mythos, I kind of want to ask you which mythos you have read. Not including the entire Corps in battle isn't a "complete disservice" to the character and the mythos. Nor is spotlighting two fairly thin and straightforward villains or the relatively straightforward nature of Hal Jordan's journey to become Green Lantern.
 
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I'm not talking about them necessarily, and it very well may be possible that they may have succumbed to peer pressure (how credible would you be if you went against a top critic like Roger Ebert?)....


Stop right there.

Ebert posted his review two days after most of us did. Next?

Why is it hard to understand that many critics -- including A LOT that are Green Lantern fans -- just don't like the movie and called it out for it's faults?
 
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...I agree this is a clear issue in many of the reviews to a point. They don’t seem to “get” some of it, or think its outright silly....

But don't you think it's more about execution and delivery than it is about concept? On a lot of levels, all superheroes are equally silly in concept...okay, they don't all make big glowing green shapes etc...but I'm sure there are a lot of concepts from, say, robots that turn into cars, to a guy who dresses like a bat, and so on that on paper are rather childish, but can have adult appeal if a filmmaker can bring it to the surface that way and present it well.

Then again, maybe some critics, viewers or whoever won't accept the concept no matter how well it's done. Maybe GL really is an acquired taste in order to look past the green glowing this-and-that when you're over the age of 12 or what have you. And maybe that's something that should have been thought about before they made a $200M live-action movie out of it.
 
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KalMart,

If execution was the thing then the first Spider-Man film wouldn't have made as much as it did because that film doesn't work in a lot of areas, but it made a crap load of money.

Why? Because it was the first Spider-Man film.
 
^This right here is another pathetic and lame reason as to why the first Spiderman movie made a boat load of cash. The first Spiderman movie could have been crap in general and still would have made as much money as it did.

:whatever:
 
KalMart,

If execution was the thing then the first Spider-Man film wouldn't have made as much as it did because that film doesn't work in a lot of areas, but it made a crap load of money.

Why? Because it was the first Spider-Man film.
If GL is as disjointed and awkward as many are saying, with just a bad story/script...I would disagree...because Spiderman moved along pretty well and didn't exhibit the kinds of problems in storyteling and pacing.

Yeah, being early on the block helped boost sales, but compared right next to GL, are they equal as films?

^This right here is another pathetic and lame reason as to why the first Spiderman movie made a boat load of cash. The first Spiderman movie could have been crap in general and still would have made as much money as it did.

:whatever:
Really? You really think that Spiderman was already such a popular presence/brand at the time that they could have put his logo on a bag of turd and it would have sold gangbusters? Your'e not giving any credit to it as a film?
 
If GL is as disjointed and awkward as many are saying, with just a bad story/script...I would disagree...because Spiderman moved along pretty well and didn't exhibit the kinds of problems in storyteling and pacing.

Yeah, being early on the block helped boost sales, but compared right next to GL, are they equal as films?


Really? You really think that Spiderman was already such a popular presence/brand at the time that they could have put his logo on a bag of turd and it would have sold gangbusters? Your'e not giving any credit to it as a film?

Yes, it's not as if Spiderman hasn't been exposed to people for alot of years. Before the movie came out that is. Please, don't treat it as an Ironman case.
 
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Spider-Man probably would have made nice money regardless of quality.

But the fact is, it was a great film in it's own right, so it made mega money and spawned a billion dollar franchise.

But then, by that token, isn't Superman just as well known as Spidey? What happened to Superman Returns then?
 
Yes, it's not as if Spiderman hasn't been exposed to people for alot of years. Before the movie came that is.

No, I don't think the brand strength would have been enough to save it, much less make it really successful, if the movie was really bad. Superman is an even more familiar name/brand, and it didn't help SR. I think you're either naively short-changing Spiderman too much, or putting it down just to defend GL. Spidey wasn't the best film ever made, but it was certainly good enough to be as popular as it was. I believe if the movie had some serious pacing and storytelling problems like many are saying GL has, they woudl have been cited just as much for Spiderman at the time. Spidey didn't get that much of a pass by just being Spiderman.
 
Well, we just have a difference of opinion on that one. For 9 years, I've never thought the first Spider-Man worked on any level. I just haven't. Spider-Man 2? Absolutely.
 
Well, we just have a difference of opinion on that one. For 9 years, I've never thought the first Spider-Man worked on any level. I just haven't. Spider-Man 2? Absolutely.
Did Spidey 2 work because it was Spiderman and you bought into the spidey-craze...or because of execution?
 
It absolutely perplexes me there are people out there that are convinced concept or brand name strength alone, are able to carry any film to huge success -- in spite of content.

I didn't think you could possibly be that disillusioned. :(
 
For Spider-Man 2? Execution, even if I found the logic behind the action illogical. Still, Spider-Man 2 worked like gangbusters on me...which has always been odd because I absolutely, positively loathe the first Spider-Man film.

Trust me, I was crushed after Spider-Man because I was ready for a Spider-Man film for a long time...to the point that I almost DIDN'T see Spider-Man 2 when it was released because of my reaction to the first film.

Train sequence? Still one of the absolute best action sequence of the genre, 7 years later.
 
It absolutely perplexes me there are people out there that are convinced concept or brand name strength alone, are able to carry any film to huge success -- in spite of content.

I didn't think you could possibly be that disillusioned. :(

Well, Batman & Robin made almost $300 million despite it being complete crap. Sure, it was the lowest grossing Batman film, but it still made a lot of money.
 
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