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[Colossal Spoons]

Idk which topic is worse haha

 

[B]

Why is GSP 100% wrestler, because he uses his wrestling ability efficiently?

This is an irrelevant part of the point I was making, which was, unless you've forgot, that I said GSP's wrestling skills are less entertaining (to a degree) to watch than Brock's.

However that being said GSP is more of a wrestler based fighter now than he ever has been.. have you actually seen any of his last 6 or so fights? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, at all, but he is more of a wrestling based fighter now than he is a striker. Fact.

Just because Machida is a better striker doesn't mean Rashad isn't a well rounded fighter. It just means that Machida has better striking ability. Rashad is a smart guy, perhaps he knew Rampage and Thaigo had better striking so he changed his game plan? Part of being a well rounded fighter is to know when and when not to use your skills.

I don't know what to say to this, it is more or less echoing what I've more or less already said..

You can't give credit where credit is due can you? I could argue that Randy was a "mere shadow" of his former self when he fought Brock but I won't stoop to your level.

I cannot give credit where it is due.. are you seriously saying that to me?

Kinda ironic isn't it though, you know considering what you've had to say regarding Brock Lesnar as a fighter & Brock's standup more recently.. you don't need to 'stoop to my level' you are already below it. Infact you are dragging me down to your petty level..

Also I think you'll find I gave all the credit his KO win was due, it was a highlight reel punch. Chuck hasn't been the same fighter since Rampage KO'd him. Whereas the Randy that fought Brock Lesnar was the same Randy, or at least the one that was coming off outboxing/outstriking the 2 HW fighters I mentioned..

Name calling? Really?

If you are gonna bait people with snarky, trollish comments what do you expect?

That's MMA, it's not always going to be action packed striking and KO's. You do what you do to win. You don't seem to have a grasp on this concept.

Again.. it isn't that I don't have a grasp of the fact that it is a valid MMA tactic, you'd have known that if you actually read what I wrote. Which was that focusing more on actually holding/pinning a guy down for 3 rounds 'playing it safe' is less entertaining to watch than a fight in which the fighter in the dominant position is trying to end the fight via submission or KO/strikes.

I suggest you get over your homosexual hang ups. You seem to have a problem with two men hugging, even if they're locked in combat.

It isn't a homosexual hang up, it was a joke that has obviously flown straight over your head based on the fact the the particular fights I'm talking about are the ones involving one man lying in another mans guard (which incase you didn't know is between his legs with his head usually pressed against his stomach or chest) not doing much.

"Brock doesn't really need to stand with anyone" that's a good one!

The major factor in ALL of Brocks wins have come from his size, not his striking ability. His is striking ability is poor and needs lots of work but he still has the ability to drop someone if he connects due to his strength and size.

So Brock has only won his fights so far & dropped people thanks to his size & strength, it has nothing to do with talent, no? Thanks for clarifying that for me.

This comment is made all the more ironic by the fact you told me off for not giving Rashad Evans enough credit but 4 quotes ago..

No dice, his stand up is poor and needs work. This is common knowledge man. His fight with Carwin proved that.

So because Brock was rocked/dropped by a guy who is known to have quite heavy hands, his standup is automatically "poor?"

His standup & his general MMA game can always improve, but just because you've been rocked by an uppercut by a guy who is known to have fairly decent striking ability with very heavy hands does not it common knowledge that his standup is poor.. and that is the key word you are using.. poor.

I'm not disputing Lesnar's standup is the weakest area of his game, but it isn't as poor as his 'haters' like to make out.

The Carwin fight proved that Brock can be hurt and when faced against some with decent size & wrestling ability, his TD's can be stuffed and he can be tossed around but mainly it proved he can be beaten.

What do you mean prove he can be beaten? Every fighter can be beaten.. Lesnar has already been beat once.

Brock only actually had one takedown stuffed by Carwin, however that being said it was only a half hearted attempt when Carwin had rocked him with that uppercut. He went for 2 others, 1 of which ended the fight & the other was the first one he actually went for in the match. He threw a quick punch combo/feint & followed it up by charging at Carwin like a bull, tossing Carwin into the cage then he tripped Carwin once the distance had been closed. However the way Brock (and Carwin landed) allowed Carwin to get more or less bounce straight back up.. dunno what it would be classed as on a judges scorecard, either a takedown or a knockdown.

Lesnar's takedowns can be stopped if someone is going in looking to defend them, Carwin visibly was as his stance was quite low & compact.. it was more or less like a modified wrestling stance.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

How about we all just fight? Every regular poster in this thread crammed into an octagon like sardines.

 

[E-Man]

How about we all just fight? Every regular poster in this thread crammed into an octagon like sardines.

Seriously Spoons, you know I can't be invited. I have the power of Iron Mike behind me. You all wouldn't stand a chance against Mike Tyson's avatar, and I'd eat all of your children in front of you for brunch.

 

[B]

How about we all just fight? Every regular poster in this thread crammed into an octagon like sardines.

Wouldn't be fair on the rest of you as 'I have the reflexes of a cat & the speed of a mongoose..'












Bonus 10 points to the person who can name the movie..

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok, you're uninvited if your defense is impregnable or if you have attributes of animals haha. Everybody else is welcome to fight

 

[BlackLantern]

no thanks...I got a hangnail, it really hurts

 

[Colossal Spoons]

You tappin to strikes, BL?

 

[Paroxysm]

His corner threw in the towel....

anywho, back to MMA stuff..

Ten can't-miss MMA fights for the second half of 2010

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/josh_gross/07/13/best.fights/#ixzz0to0nGwAT

Not yet fully fleshed out, the fight calendar for the back half of 2010 already reads like a best-of list. While this is sure to get augmented as promoters update their schedules for the remainder of the year, it's clear there's more than enough mixed martial arts to keep fight fans occupied. Here are the 10 fights (plus 10 more honorable mentions) I'm most looking forward to:

1) Brock Lesnar (5-1) vs. Cain Velasquez (8-0), Oct. 19, Anaheim, Calif., Honda Center, UFC 121

There shouldn't be any mystery as to why this fight is at the top of the list. Lesnar, the sport's top draw, faces a legitimate threat against the undefeated Velasquez. Public opinion will be behind the UFC heavyweight champion, but there will be plenty of people who question Lesnar's ability to hang with a fast, accurate puncher and kicker who can wrestle like Velasquez, a two time All-American at Arizona State. This should be the biggest "event" fight of the back half of 2010.

2) Anderson Silva (26-4) vs. Chael Sonnen (24-10-1), Aug. 7, Oakland, Calif.,Oracle Arena, UFC 117

A real-world experiment of the "writing checks your body can't cash" principle this one is. Can Sonnen make good on what has been an unprecedented level of hype and trash talk? Depending on your perspective, the lead-up to this UFC middleweight title fight is like a or a ball-peen hammer to the brain -- or both. Regardless, it's certainly a fight worth watching as Silva attempts to fend off the aggressive, wrestle-first/talk-trash-always foe.

3) Dominick Cruz (15-1) vs. Joseph Benavidez (12-1), Aug. 18, Las Vegas, Nevada, The Pearl at the Palms Casino Resort, WEC 50

One year after fighting to a decision, the top two bantamweights in MMA meet again with a title on the line. Cruz, the WEC champion at 135 pounds, is pure speed and movement. He can also wrestle, which is the reason for his victory over Benavidez last August. Odds are good that this turns out to be the best fight of 2010.

4) Frankie Edgar (12-1) vs. B.J. Penn (15-6-1), Aug. 28, Boston, Mass., TD Garden, UFC 118

A rematch of the controversial decision in Abu Dhabi this past April that gave Edgar the UFC lightweight belt. The new champion has earned little recognition for besting Penn and will have the opportunity to prove his five-round effort in the Middle East was no fluke. Penn, meanwhile, has his legacy to worry about. Another loss would signify a real dent to his reputation as one of MMA's pound-for-pound best.

5) Georges St. Pierre (20-2) vs. Josh Koscheck (15-4), TBD

The culmination of another season of "The Ultimate Fighter" takes place at a to-be-determined end-of-the-year date (possibly Jan. 1). Still, the UFC welterweight title is on the line in a fight that should have momentum via the reality show format. St. Pierre is the top fighter on the planet, even if he has not offered inspiring performances in recent victories. If Koscheck finds a way to wrestle with St. Pierre -- and the NCAA champion at 174 pounds in 2001 certainly has the ability despite failing to do so when the pair met in 2007 -- he can pull the upset. Otherwise, St. Pierre will control his way to another proficient title defense.

5) Jose Aldo (17-1) vs. Manvel Gamburyan (11-4), Sept. 30, Broomfield, Colo., 1STBANK Center, WEC 51

This is all about Aldo, the uber-talented 23-year-old featherweight king who recently vaulted into the top three of SI.com's pound-for-pound list. Is Gamburyan (3-0 since dropping to 145 pounds, including a clean knockout of Mike Thomas Brown) the guy to stop a fighter as dynamic as Aldo? Unlikely. But it's a fight worth watching simply to see Aldo go about his business. He was masterful against Urijah Faber in April.

7) Randy Couture (18-10) vs. James Toney (0-0), Aug. 28, Boston, Mass., TD Garden, UFC 118

In terms of crossover appeal, Couture-Toney could come in No. 2 to Lesnar-Velasquez. As a fight, well, you have two 40-plus-year-old fighters. One a multiple time MMA champion. The other, a former boxing king and eventual Hall of Famer who's never been asked to grapple in his life. It's all spectacle, though some have attempted to assign a larger meaning to the bout in a MMA vs. boxing context. The fallout from a Couture loss would be compelling stuff.

8) Frank Mir (13-5) vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1), Sept. 25,Indianapolis, Ind., Conseco Fieldhouse, UFC 119

Unanswered questions about both heavyweights should be resolved when the pair headline the UFC's first card in Indianapolis. Mir looked tremendous against Nogueira in Dec. 2008, but then it was revealed the Brazilian fought on shaky legs as he struggled through a staph infection. Nogueira was knocked unconscious by Cain Velasquez in February. If he has anything left, he'll need to show it against Mir, who also returns for the first time after a brutal loss to Shane Carwin in March.

9) Muhammed Lawal (7-0) vs. Rafael Cavalcante (9-2), Aug. 21, Houston,
Texas, Toyota Center, Strikeforce: Houston

Options are thin in the light heavyweight division outside the UFC, and this may be the best bout possible right now. Lawal, won the Strikeforce title with a thorough effort against Gegard Mousasi in April. He's one of the best wrestlers in MMA and should hold a significant edge over Cavalcante, who would carry much more interest with him into the fight had he not surrendered a terrible loss to Mike Kyle last June.

10) Jon Fitch (22-3) vs. Thiago Alves (16-6), Aug. 7, Oakland, Calif., Oracle Arena, UFC 117

An important rematch in the welterweight division, which should put the winner next in line for a second chance at the UFC 170-pound title, is made much more interesting because of Alves. Months after having to contemplate never fighting again after pre-fight medical testing revealed irregularities on his brain, the 26-year-old Brazilian is back, healthy and ready to fight. Fitch stopped Alves in 2006. A similar ending would be surprising since Fitch has needed the distance in his past seven fights. Neither fighter has lost someone other than St. Pierre in four years.

Honorable Mention

Junior dos Santos vs. Roy Nelson, Aug. 7, Oakland, Calif., Oracle Arena, UFC 117
Tim Kennedy vs. Ronaldo Souza, Aug. 21, Houston, Texas, Toyota Center, Strikeforce: Houston
Ryan Bader vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Sept. 25, Indianapolis, Ind., Conseco Fieldhouse, UFC 119
Evan Dunham vs. Sean Sherk, Sept. 25, Indianapolis, Ind., Conseco Fieldhouse, UFC 119
Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard, Aug. 28, Boston, Mass., TD Garden, UFC 118
Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko, Aug. 1, San Diego, Calif., San Diego Sports Arena, UFC on Versus 2
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami, Aug. 1, San Diego, Calif., San Diego Sports Arena, UFC on Versus 2
Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Hughes, Aug. 7, Oakland, Calif., Oracle Arena, UFC 117
Jorge Santiago vs. Kazuo Misaki, Aug. 22, Tokyo, Japan, Sengoku Raiden Championship 14
Joe Soto vs. Joe Warren and Lyman Good vs. Ben Askren, Bellator, TBD

 

[BlackLantern]

GSP vs. Koscheck is my personal #1 "fight to look forward to"

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Edgar vs Penn 2 better end in somebody getting KTFO'd this time. Their first fight was the upset of the century.

 

[BlackLantern]

speaking of someone getting KTFO...I really feel that is the best way for someone to beat Lesnar, someone needs to connect on 2 or 3 solid hits to put him down

 

[Paroxysm]

GSP vs. Koscheck is my personal #1 "fight to look forward to"

Ditto. Koscheck looks hungry, GSP shouldn't take him lightly.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

speaking of someone getting KTFO...I really feel that is the best way for someone to beat Lesnar, someone needs to connect on 2 or 3 solid hits to put him down

When he loses, I want it to be a knockout. I've seen him tap already...and I don't like it

 

[E-Man]

I'm really excited for Alves/Fitch 2. Alves has improved tremendously since they first fought years ago. He's gotten bigger and stronger, and his wrestling has gotten really good. I'm interested to see if he can stuff Fitch's takedowns because no one outside of GSP has done it.

 

[Paroxysm]

Shields signs with UFC! Greeted by some with collective yawn

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Shields vs GSP, can't wait for that nap

 

[E-Man]

Screw you guys, Shields vs. GSP would be a pretty exciting match. It would probably look like GSP/Fitch in terms of Shields getting his ass beat all over the cage. GSP would just stuff his takedowns and knock him around. If GSP decided to grapple with Shields, that would be pretty damn awesome to see considering that you've got two of the best ground guys in all of MMA going at it. I'd buy that for a dollar.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm still mad at Shields for embarrassing Hendo

 

[El Bastardo]

I bet Kampmann can take Shields. And I'll love watching it.

Also: Rampage vs. Machida looks like it's going to go official. Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago. Phil Davis now vs. SHONUFF THE MASTAH. Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill (without staph! maybe).

 

[brainchild81]

I'd like to see Kampmann kick the **** outta Shields. Not a fan of Shields, but I respect what he did to Hendo. Hendo didn't train hard enough & paid for it. Shields showed great heart for surviving that 1st round onslaught. I'd like Shields more if he could get people the **** outta there & stop winning by decision all the time.

 

[zanos]

Ditto. Koscheck looks hungry, GSP shouldn't take him lightly.

GSP is typically more cautious with an opponent the first time he faces them. Look at all his rematches. He literally destroys them each time and is almost a completely different fighter. I predict koscheck is going to get the beat down of his life.

 

[Paroxysm]

GSP is typically more cautious with an opponent the first time he faces them. Look at all his rematches. He literally destroys them each time and is almost a completely different fighter. I predict koscheck is going to get the beat down of his life.

Oh I agree 100% with you. Koscheck is going to get rocked.

 

[Paroxysm]

UFC on Versus 2 is a couple hours away. I'm really looking forward to seeing the following fights.

Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko

Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami

Tyson Griffin vs. Takanori Gomi

 

[brainchild81]

I pick Jones, Munoz & Griffin. 4hours & 36 minutes from now.