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Oughtbay/Oughtthay for August 24, 2011 *SPOILERS*

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Starting off with an old comic, which is Gage's most recent issue of Astonishing X-Men from about a month ago. I love this arc. It's got SWORD, Beast being awesome, references to the civilized Brood from the Hulk's Warbound, and a mutant Brood kid. Super-fun space craziness abounds. It's just a shame that I have to wait two months for the next issue so that Way can do whatever nonsense he's doing in every other issue.

Incorruptible put out an intriguing issue this week. Max Damage has now effectively been betrayed by everybody he was working with, so he's decided to... build a house of some kind. Safe Word is now Hate Crime, who against all odds is an even worse crimefighter than Max is. Should be interesting to see how that inevitably blows up in Alana's face. No mention of Jailbait's wacky rescue from last issue, which was a bit disappointing. Anyway, a strange symbol appears in the church the other villains were holed up in, and they immediately clear out in total, pants-staining fear. Then a ship bearing that same symbol shows up in Coalville, heading straight for Max and his new house thing. Dun dun DUNNN!!!! Looking forward to where that goes.

Um... I read something else while I was eating before I came to work today, but I can't remember what the hell it was now. So that's it for now.
 
Awesome twist to the end of Wolverine. Didn't see that one coming at all and made the absurdly long build up worth it.
 
I bet Wolverine doesn't kill someone!

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Yeah that twist ending boy....wolverine really isn't going to be the same after this. That's soul-crushing man.
 
This thread is for amazing little things called SPOILERS!!!!!! :cmad:

Don't make me google it. I'm tired :(
 
Haha, it'd probably help if I remembered to add the "SPOILERS" tag to the title. :funny:
 
Spoil it Spoil it!!

I bet Wolverine doesn't kill someone!

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After sending Wolverine to Hell, Wolverine went after the Red Right Hand for revenge for obviously sending him to Hell and having his body possessed and attacking his friends in the X-Men. Throughout the arc, one by one, he had to fight the Mongrels to get to the members of the Red Right Hand. But before he could get to them, the members of the Red Right Hand committed suicide so that Wolverine could not get revenge.

The twist however is that the Red Right Hand intended to do more than send Wolverine to Hell. It turns out that the Red Right Hand teamed up with Daken who was the one who gathered the Mongrels to fight Wolverine, and convinced them that sending Wolverine to Hell was not enough. Daken and the Red Right Hand intended the Mongrels to lose and get killed Wolverine. Throughout the entire arc, Wolverine was killing his many bastard children that he didn't know about. Daken sent his brothers and sisters to get slaughtered like cattle.

The revelation that his killed his children and he cannot get revenge on the Red Right Hand has left Wolverine devastated. The Red Right Hand got their revenge on Wolverine for the decades he has spent killing their loved ones by not only sending him to Hell, but by making him feel a pain that is even worse that the one that they are feeling.
 
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Sweeeeet! Now if a writer can tell a good story like that in less than a year it'd be good :up:
 
After sending Wolverine to Hell, Wolverine went after the Red Right Hand for revenge for obviously sending him to Hell and having his body possessed and attacking his friends in the X-Men. Throughout the arc, one by one, he had to fight the Mongrels to get to the members of the Red Right Hand. But before he could get to them, the members of the Red Right Hand committed suicide so that Wolverine could not get revenge.

The twist however is that the Red Right Hand intended to do more than send Wolverine to Hell. It turns out that the Red Right Hand teamed up with Daken who was the one who gathered the Mongrels to fight Wolverine, and convinced them that sending Wolverine to Hell was not enough. Daken and the Red Right Hand intended the Mongrels to lose and get killed Wolverine. Throughout the entire arc, Wolverine was killing his many bastard children that he didn't know about. Daken sent his brothers and sisters to get slaughtered like cattle.

The revelation that his killed his children and he cannot get revenge on the Red Right Hand has left Wolverine devastated. The Red Right Hand got their revenge on Wolverine for the decades he has spent killing their loved ones by not only sending him to Hell, but by making him feel a pain that is even worse that the one that they are feeling.

I guess this has to do with not following Wolverine, because I honestly don't think I understand a word you're saying at all here. I guess the shocking, it'll never be the same thing you guys are talking about, is kind of lost on me. I guess....keep ignoring Wolverine?
 
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I guess this has to do with not following Wolverine, because I honestly don't think I understand a word you're saying at all here. I guess the shocking, it'll never be the same thing you guys are talking about, are kind of lost on me. I guess....keep ignoring Wolverine?

I would recommend checking it out. Aaron has a pretty damn good take on Wolverine who forces Logan to deal with the consequences of the decades of senseless murder that he has dealt.
 
I would recommend checking it out. Aaron has a pretty damn good take on Wolverine who forces Logan to deal with the consequences of the decades of senseless murder that he has dealt.

That does sound potentially good. Is it new friendly reader from the beginning? Because I really didn't recognize anything you said outside the Daken thing. That's Wolverine's long lost brother, right?
 
That does sound potentially good. Is it new friendly reader from the beginning? Because I really didn't recognize anything you said outside the Daken thing. That's Wolverine's long lost brother, right?
Daken is Wolverine's son.

And yeah, it's new reader friendly, the only thing that really carries on from before the Wolverine revamp is that Wolverine has a girlfriend named Melita (introduced in Aaron's Wolverine: Weapon X series). Wolverine Goes to Hell and Wolverine vs. the X-Men are out on hardcover which includes the first 9 issues and the .1 issue. Collecting issues 10 - 14 are easy.
 
Son, yeah, I knew that. Don't know why I said brother.
 
Two problems Wolverine's solo has:

1. The overall arc was a little too long. It took too long for this issue's payoff and it softened the blow.

2. It's going to be ignored by all other (bigger) writers because Marvel is currently filled with ego-manics.
 
And #3, think of how much better this book would've been if Jae Lee actually did the interior art instead of whoever this guy is. I'm not really digging it.
 
Never been much of a Jae Lee fan. The artist was good for the first arc when Logan was in hell. I was hoping Acuna was going to stick around.
 
Awesome twist to the end of Wolverine. Didn't see that one coming at all and made the absurdly long build up worth it.

You haven't seen the movie Oldboy?

Anyhow not only is this a good conclusion to the arc, it also makes Daken one of the most nastiest villains out there on a personal level to a hero.
 
Gates of Gotham had a good ending. Very fun, simple story about Gotham's history and the bonds between the Bat-family. The only question I have is whether Alan Wayne is supposed to be Bruce during Morrison's weird time-hopping thing he did. I wasn't reading Batman's comics back then, so I don't know who Bruce was throughout history.

Batman, Inc. was also good, although I wasn't a fan of the art. 3D computer art does not make for good comic storytelling. The amount of dead-eyed facial expressions in this issue was enough to rival a Channing Tatum movie. Also, I wasn't especially fond of Babs appearing in the virtual world as Batgirl instead of Oracle. Bad enough that the reboot is going to make her Batgirl again, but in the current continuity especially, she's grown past that role and she's already appeared numerous times in cyberspace with an Oracle avatar. But the plot was as fresh and intriguing as Morrison always pumps out, and Leviathan's identity definitely promises interesting things to come.
 
2. It's going to be ignored by all other (bigger) writers because Marvel is currently filled with ego-manics.

I dunno. Aaron has a lot of control of the Wolverine character since he's writing both Wolverine and Wolverine & the X-Men. Remender's Wolverine in Uncanny X-Force also tends to deal with a more conflicted Wolverine who faces the consequences of his actions.

The only writer who writes Wolverine at all that will probably ignore it is Bendis since he tends to ignore just about every characterization in other books. But it's not like it matters all that much since Wolverine has never done anything in the Avengers to begin with.
 
What about that Best There Is book? Isn't its whole premise based on Wolverine's need for, and lack of fear in, killing?
 
Well, anyway, I probably won't be posting a whole lot after this week, so I figure I'll go ahead and give one last review for the foreseeable future.

Wonder Woman 614

Teardrop said:
Okay, anyway, on to a more comprehensive look at the issue:

Well, I don't really think anything could have really saved this confrontation based on the implications from the last two issues. I talked about it a lot in the past, but the whole thing about how this "odyssey" somehow made Wonder Woman more loving and able to defeat Nemesis' influence when she couldn't have in her previous love-state is pretty much a dead on arrival, bum critique that doesn't really hold any water to anyone with even passing knowledge of the character or what she represents, but whatever. She beats back Nemesis and returns the timeline. Hooray, hooray. And look, the Amazons actually have their bracelets now, BrainWilly would be so proud if he still posted.

But anyway, the crux of the quality comes from the end. It's a bit on the sappy and cliched side, sure, but it's a nice moment that highlights something that has been missing from the book for quite awhile, the whole mother/daughter dynamic. It gets a bit too heavy-handed to me with the whole 'change is coming, don't be afraid, Kiko' stuff. Obviously, very meta on the whole reboot/relaunch thing, but it feels unneeded to me. I don't know how many of the other final pre-FP issues of series did or didn't do this, but eh, I know change is coming and don't really need to be reminded about it, and how it's all going to be okay in the end. But besides, a nice moment. I think Hester mentioned he was going for it to be a Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? moment, but it came off much more like Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader? in that it felt much more like 'this character will never actually have a farewell', as opposed to trying to say farewell to a version of that character. While good, it is still a bit marred when Diana goes on about how much this odyssey showed her this and that and blah blah and yadda yadda. I already talked more than I cared to in the past about that, but it's just a souring note in an otherwise enjoyable tune.

Anyway, as a whole, Odyssey wasn't horrible or anything. It was marred by a lot of different things, though. Partially its very slow pace, a characteristic it seems of even JMS' higher caliber work, but in the end, I think part of it stems from the fact that this just wasn't really a Wonder Woman story. Yeah, yeah, we were told it was a Wonder Woman story, and some stuff was shoehorned to make it kind of, sorta resemble one, but it never really escapes the feel that we're reading about a character that just doesn't really fit with anything Wonder Woman. Kind of like reading a newly created character from Top Cow where the creator tells you that he/she drew from Wonder Woman for that character, and then you tilt your head and you kind of, sorta see what they're getting at, but not really. Not that that's an inherently bad thing all its own, if this had been a purely an Elseworld, but it attempts to meld it into the actual character or Wonder Woman, and the justification just goes down like a blimp shot point blank by a bazooka.

I said this in the past and will stick with it now, but I really do think JMS should have just taken this story, stripped anything Wonder Woman-related he was trying to do, and pitched his own series to Vertigo. Much like his talks about Superman when unveiling details about Grounded, I always felt like JMS came off as very out of touch and, frankly, even unknowledgable about what he was even talking about in regards to the character. He had some people bobbing their heads to a lot of the crap he was saying, but I noticed the cried of brilliance and opened arms to a new age of Wonder Woman weren't really there when Odyssey actually started, and going by the sales charts, it was probably never there en masse to begin with. I tend to stay away from saying anything about creators themselves, because in the end I'll probably never break into the industry and will remain among many failed writers who just commentate on actual writers' work (and JMS has been at it since before I was born), but I have to call this one like I see it. No doubt, someone is out there to bring a new spin on the character, maybe even untangle the problems that's plagued her for decades, but that writer really wasn't JMS, and this simply comes off like some pseudo-'this is how I would have done it' attempt at a character, while trying to find some kind of relevance and communication with something they never really grasped.

Anyway, all that said, I'll stand by the assessing that this story still wasn't terrible. There were some things that made it go that path on a meta-level, but it remained a fairly decent story despite its flaws. I won't say I regard it as a regret in buying, but I won't lie in saying that I am glad the ****ing thing is completely over. And, if there's a light to be found at the end of the tunnel, the bar has been set kind of low for Brian Azzerello and Cliff Chiang's relaunch. Okay, well, that doesn't sound like much of a compliment or anything...but really, I think this puts a much softer gaze on what they'll be doing, at least for me.
 
What about that Best There Is book? Isn't its whole premise based on Wolverine's need for, and lack of fear in, killing?

That book is just best left forgotten and it's entering cancellation territory as well.
 

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