Our responsibilities as fans...?????

[Hmarrs]

My question is as fans.True fans are we to support movies of our favorite comic book heroes even if they are inaccurate portrayal of our characters?

I find myself torn somtimes because I don't want to see them fail at the Box office but at the same time I don't want to encourage the inaccuracy.

If we keep going to see these movies and spend out money.The powers that be will continue morphing and twisting these characters into who they want them to be.Assuming that we are pleased.When many times we are not.Many times we just accept it.

However if we the fans boycott the movies they will then have to see our point of depictioning the characer inproperly.

The problem with this is that it may be at the demise of the character all together on the big screen.

Example.Batman and Robin was highly critized and boycotted by fans.
So much so that they had to revamp the charater in Batman Begins.

However.Fantastic Four may not have the same outcome.

Do you see what I mean????As a fan somtimes I feel torn.

I can tell that we all feel torn just by our conversations here on the Forum.

Some of us are viewed as Nitpickers while others are looked as Sell-outs.

So where do we stand????

Do we overlook the inaccurcies and just be happy that our heroes get on the big screen?At the risk of selling out???

Or
Do we protest at the risk of Nitpicking even if it costs our characters to not be a movie francise and dropped completly?


This comes to mind as I hear die-hard fans of Watchmen complain about the liberties taken.

The outcry of X-men 3 and Spiderman 3 Superman returns etc....

I for one personnaly have had an issue with all of the Liberties they took on the Hulk origin but that's me.

Also I just recently found out speculation that Wolverine and Sabortotth will be brothers in the film.

Where does it stop what do we do????If I like somthing inaccurate it feels wrong to me.At the same time I realize that my favorite characters need all the support they can get in order to survive the big screen.

I have heard many different comments on here(THE FORUM).

I have heard people say "Yeah it's wrong but I'm just happy they made a movie about it!!"

Other's say "I wish they just don't even make anymore movies if they are going to ruin the characters!!!"

Basically when it all comes down to it isn't that why we are all here isn't this what all our discussions are basically about???

I would just really like to hear from evryone in the Forum.

I want to see were we stand or where we should stand.Who better to go to than my peers who's views and insight I truly respect.In the past I have always respected your insights and opinions whether you have agreed with me or not.

Because I know we all have the best interest of the Characters in mind.

So I would greatly appreciate if you would comment.

I wish I knew how to make this a vote if one of you out there can please do so.
Sorry for the length of my question.

But I think we all have a resposibility to comment on this.

Please do so!!!!

 

[broblacksteel]

Good question... sometimes i say "i'm happy they are doing a movie at all on my favorite superheroes" ex. i didn't go see the new punisher because i knew it was bad.

I'm afraid of what they will do with a character like the black panther... it will ONLY get greenlit if it's will smith!!! Will i go see it, YES, due to its not the actor WE/most of the fans wanted... but its still great to see your childhood characters come to life. Yes, Djmon Honsou or Chiewtel Ejifor are top fan choices, but if a producer will give up $140 mill for will as black panther then u have my $8.

I guess we all will make a sacrifice or compromise when it comes to this genre...

 

[jab1118]

To me its all a question of quality. I am perfectly okay with changing origins of a character if it comes out good. To me some changes are necessary to update. The origin of twoface in dark knight in my opinion is much better then the comicbook version, same with the incredible hulk. But I also think we should not blindly go see a movie just because they will make it. That sends a bad message that well go see anything because it once appeared in a comicbook and then there is no insentive to make these movies good. To sum it up go see movies that are good the source material demands better adaptations, but dont ***** that something is bad just because it changed something I prefer a little surprise when i go see a movie.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I think the fans should be held somewhat resonsible for some of the comicbook travesties we have gotten the passed few years. Fantastic Four is one of many examples... I heard people hyping that film as the next Spidey... fans should have realized that with such a blatantly miscasted film along with a horrid director... the movie was never going to live up to that potential. Same goes for SM3. The hype for that film was through the roof... we all knew the problems that were facing the film. Too many villains, too many characters, too many subplots... no one thought it was a big deal. We hyped it to our friends and non-fans on how it would be the greatest culmination ever to a comicbook trilogy... and we know the rest. I just think fans have to be careful hyping up these films over the net or in passing. Because once the hype gets around to the non-fans... there is always a possibility for them to hype it up to other non-fans. We have to be more careful. This year, X-Men Origins: Wolverine is the perfect example at least for me. Wolverine is my favorite Marvel character of all time... and I will most likely be passing on the film, or paying for another film and sneaking in if I have nothing better to do. But I won't hype that film to any casual/non-fan over the net or anywhere in general.

 

[Chris Wallace]

To me it comes down to this: am I entertained? Does it really matter if they don't strictly adhere to every one of my preconceived notions, born of a lifetime of reading comics? Things that the person sitting next to me hasn't a clue about & doesn't care? Am I going to talk myself out of liking a movie b/c they deviated from a 40-year-old plotline, or am I going to judge the movie on its own merits? As long as I enjoy the movie, & they don't THORUGHLY take a big whizz on my beloved characters, what else matters?

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Read this & maybe it will give you my take.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=319777

 

[Hmarrs]

I'm up in the air about this.

 

[Heretic]

Im not up in the air at all...

I want to see good movies about my favorite characters. When the movie is insulting bad, then its NOT a good thing. Wow, a character I grew up loving just stunk up theaters...thats nothing to be happy about. Dr Doom was a travesty, and that franchise should have been aborted. GI Joe...dont get me started (but Ive already passed judgement on it).

Id rather have no film than a bad one, no doubt about it.

 

[SuperFerret]

These characters exist to entertain me, the creators jobs are to entertain me. I owe them nothing but what I pay to be entertained.

 

[chamber-music]

As others have said its about quality to me. I don't mind them changing stuff. I didn't care about the whole web shooters thing in Spider-Man but what I won't do is blindly see a superhero movie that a studio has done a poor job making and just expect fans to see it.

 

[T-CLIPSE]

The only responsibility I feel is to not patronize all those bandwagon movies...'Sky High', 'Zoom', 'My Super Ex Girlfriend', 'Superhero Movie', I didn't even go see 'Hancock' (although later saw it on dvd), and I'm certainly not going to this upcoming ridiculous looking 'Super Capers' nonsense.

I'll go see just about any comicbook movie if I'm interested in the character, I don't care about them taking liberties with the character if it's a serious attempt to bring one of those characters to life.

 

[YJ1]

To me it comes down to this: am I entertained? Does it really matter if they don't strictly adhere to every one of my preconceived notions, born of a lifetime of reading comics? Things that the person sitting next to me hasn't a clue about & doesn't care? Am I going to talk myself out of liking a movie b/c they deviated from a 40-year-old plotline, or am I going to judge the movie on its own merits? As long as I enjoy the movie, & they don't THORUGHLY take a big whizz on my beloved characters, what else matters?

AMEN to that! Great post!

There really is no such thing as "inaccurate portrayal". Artistic freedom and interpretation has to be expected. As a long time reader, I have NO problem differentiating between the Marvel Universe and the Movie Universe. Narrow fanboy perceptions can do nothing but hurt the enjoyment of any of these films.

Unlike some narrow-minded alleged fans, I will support a film to the ultimate level if it's a good movie. Fanboys like to whine about Fox's X-Men treatment but they've delivered two and a half great flicks. X-Men worked well as a film. X2 is still a joy and X3 delivered some cool on screen moments. So, given the writer and production staff involved, I'm supremely confident that X-Men Origins: Wolverine will be quality entertainment. So much so that to offset fanboy sniveling, it'll be the only film I PAY to see all summer. Some fanboys will pay to see something else and sneak in to see Wolverine. I'll pay to see Wolverine all early summer and sneak in to other films I want to view. Star Trek? On Wolverine's ticket. Terminator? On Wolverine's ticket.

Bring on X-Men Origins: Magneto!!!!!!!!

 

[Spidey-Quad]

I say, "for Christ sake Man Up Dude." Stop the sniffling self pity party. "I feel torn"? Who the heck are you, Natalie Imbruglia? My advice is next time get right to the point and save half the screen or join the drama club at school.

 

[Hmarrs]

I say, "for Christ sake Man Up Dude." Stop the sniffling self pity party. "I feel torn"? Who the heck are you, Natalie Imbruglia? My advice is next time get right to the point and save half the screen or join the drama club at school.

I hope your not addressing me.
You don't know me or my intentions.
It never ceases to amaze me the comments people can make while hiding behind a post.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

And who else would I be referring to? Just look at your original post again. It reads like a 10 min. whine fest. Don't mean to undress you but I hate pity parties. Enjoy what you got! It's a hell ava lot more then we had in the 70's and 80's.

I'm guessing you are referring to the multiple messes Fox has made of the Marvel U. My advise is boycott anything Fox until they get it right. See plain, simple, and to the point. No anxiety, and no DRAMA...


punk (I kid, I kid). Try going outside and playing some baseball or something.

PS. Hate your avatar

 

[Hmarrs]

And who else would I be referring to? Just look at your original post again. It reads like a 10 min. whine fest. Don't mean to undress you but I hate pity parties. Enjoy what you got! It's a hell ava lot more then we had in the 70's and 80's.

I'm guessing you are referring to the multiple messes Fox has made of the Marvel U. My advise is boycott anything Fox until they get it right. See plain, simple, and to the point. No anxiety, and no DRAMA...


punk (I kid, I kid). Try going outside and playing some baseball or something.

PS. Hate your avatar

Wow!!!All the hate and you called me a punk too.
I forgive your imaturity.If you don't like me,my post,or my avatar you could always...LEAVE.
No one is forcing you to be here and if reading is that painful for you then don't do it.
There is no pity party here.
It's just an intellegent conversation between myself and my peers.
Who's opinion I respect.You should try that somtime.I a sign of maturity.
I am not whining or complaining actually.I was expressing a point.
I'm not boycotting anything you obviously didn't read it or couldn't.
If you did read then you didn't understand it.

People like you without the ability to properly express themselves usally revert to name calling.

You should read my post again and hopfully it is long winded it may just give you enough time to GROW UP!!!

 

[Spidey-Quad]

Gosh, forget it. I thought it was clear in the post I was kidding with the "punk" statement so you wouldn't misunderstand. I did read your whine once and that was once too much, as I tried to point out. I can't help how it comes off after all, you wrote it not I. It is what it is.

If you won't listen, you can't be helped. Just sounds like the whole post was way over-the top. I guess if we were face to face you would realize there was no real malice in my intent, for that misunderstanding I will apologize. But the facts remain you come off as a "whiny little girl". Perhaps that's just the case and there is no hope for you.

This I can accept and move on with. Hope in the future you do a better job of posting... or you accept the criticism "like an adult".

Oh Billy, what are we going to do. The fox movie stinks. Boo hoo I think I messes my pants Billy boo hoo. But what's my responsibility? I'm torn.

Oh yeah, your avatar still looks dumb too (honestly I'm only kidding)((not really))

Honestly, if you talk like that outside I'd whack you upside your head on principal alone.

Spidey-Quad hopes Hampie can appreciate the sarcasm... like a grown up.

 

[Chris Wallace]

AMEN to that! Great post!

There really is no such thing as "inaccurate portrayal". Artistic freedom and interpretation has to be expected. As a long time reader, I have NO problem differentiating between the Marvel Universe and the Movie Universe. Narrow fanboy perceptions can do nothing but hurt the enjoyment of any of these films.

Unlike some narrow-minded alleged fans, I will support a film to the ultimate level if it's a good movie. Fanboys like to whine about Fox's X-Men treatment but they've delivered two and a half great flicks. X-Men worked well as a film. X2 is still a joy and X3 delivered some cool on screen moments. So, given the writer and production staff involved, I'm supremely confident that X-Men Origins: Wolverine will be quality entertainment. So much so that to offset fanboy sniveling, it'll be the only film I PAY to see all summer. Some fanboys will pay to see something else and sneak in to see Wolverine. I'll pay to see Wolverine all early summer and sneak in to other films I want to view. Star Trek? On Wolverine's ticket. Terminator? On Wolverine's ticket.

Bring on X-Men Origins: Magneto!!!!!!!!

I won't go so far as to say there's no such thing as an inaccurate portrayal.

I will say, however, that comics are published in perpetuity. This results in numerous writers with numerous takes, appealing to various demographics. So people get into these characters for various reasons. And what is important to you (Not anyone in particular) as a fan may not be as important to me as a fan. I don't care about organic webshooters, (although when I first heard about it I was outraged) a black Kingpin or Doom as a CEO. None of these things ruined my enjoyment. Part of the problem, as I have so often said, is that comic fans have their minds made up well in advance about how the movie should be made, who should star in it & what it should focus on. This makes them automatically resistant to anything that deviates from their preconceived notions. We ruin our own enjoyment many times before we even sit down.

 

[Hmarrs]

Spidey-quad
You are truly ridiculous I can't believe you even believe what you post.

You make statements like this:
""whiny little girl". Perhaps that's just the case and there is no hope for you.

"Honestly, if you talk like that outside I'd whack you upside your head on principal alone."

And you don't expect people to take offense??

You post:
"Oh Billy, what are we going to do. The fox movie stinks. Boo hoo I think I messes my pants Billy boo hoo. But what's my responsibility? I'm torn."

How old are you? I mean really?

Maybe that's how you like to joke but I don’t. As a matter of fact you don't even know me to joke with me that way.

You talk about me wasting posting space. At least I'm on topic. What then do you call what you’re doing.

You just jump on here to critique and name call. What are we in Middle school? Then again maybe you are who knows.
Why not just post if you don't like it then don't post again... LEAVE!!!!

But alas poor child. Truth of the matter is I'm not offended. In your statements you show your ignorance. Once again after you read this you will probably fire back with some inane ridiculous absurdity in reflection to your inability to express yourself.

Gentlemen please pay no mind to the child as he is obviously seeking attention.
He is in deserving of a spanking and time out. He is obviously disturbed since this intellectual thread has taken away from his suckling time.

Continue posting on topic please.

Thank you Chris Wallace for bringing us back on board. In what I might say has many valid points.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's not to say that there aren't times when I wish this element or that hadn't been closer to the comics. But departures-even often radical ones-are to be expected. But we shouldn't react as though the director either "doesn't get it" or has somehow betrayed us. Would I like to hear more wisecracks form Spider-Man? Sure. Would I like Two-Face to have had a true sense of duality or Scarecrow to show a true obsession with fear? Who wouldn't? But I still enjoyed the movies. Again, we have to let go of the script we've written in our heads & judge the movie on its own merits.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

I`d say you have to give each film at least one shot.Others say if you can see where its going don`t go at all but sometimes a film can just look bad from the trailer, i mean i hated hancock from teh trailer but kinda enjoyed the movie once i actually bothered to see it. You can`t judge any of the films based on just message board gossip and snippets from the trailer, you have to actually see the movie to make your decision. If you hate it then don`t go again but too often people just say outright "i can tell from the trailer its gonna blow" or "i won`t go no matter what because its a fox film". Now granted fox have made a lot of awful choices but who knows they may wise up any moment now. lol.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I try not to pre-judge but I can't think of a movie that had an unimpressive trailer & turned out to actually be good.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Movies are adaptations and interpretations of a source material. They should be based as much on their own merits as they are on the depictions of the source material. X-Men and Spiderman made changes, but still proved to entertain. Fantastic Four i think had all the right pieces and had the same level of inaccuracy as most comic adaptations but it just didnt come together.

 

[kedrell]

I just wish that when they make changes, that they do it for a good understandable reason. Like updating Iron Man's origin to Afganistan instead of Viet-Nam. But a lot of changes they make seem to be for no good reason what so ever.

And a lot of the time they miss a decent 3rd option when deciding to keep faith or changesome things about a character. For example, Joker is perma-white in the comics(or so I've heard, I don't really read those comics), yet they changed that to just applying make-up for TDK. Probably because they thought it was more in line with Nolan's realistic film world. But had it never occured to them they could've fulfilled both by simply making the Joker an albino who dyes his hair green, wears red lipstick and charcoal around his eyes?

 

[david icke]

And a lot of the time they miss a decent 3rd option when deciding to keep faith or changesome things about a character. For example, Joker is perma-white in the comics(or so I've heard, I don't really read those comics), yet they changed that to just applying make-up for TDK. Probably because they thought it was more in line with Nolan's realistic film world. But had it never occured to them they could've fulfilled both by simply making the Joker an albino who dyes his hair green, wears red lipstick and charcoal around his eyes?

I imagine they didn't go that route as they didn't want the Joker to come across as someone who had had a hard time of it growing up looking different as an albino. They wanted his background and motivations kept mysterious, hence the varied stories for his scars.

I suppose the deviation on character i had the most problem with was some of V in V for Vendetta, the crying over Every scene in particular. He was still a very likeable charasmatic character, but his spooky ethereal presence in the book was lost.
I have never read a Constantine 'Hellblazer' comic but imagine his character and geographical changes might've upset me had i already been a fan, as was, I enjoyed the movie when I went to see it. But i think Hollywood needs to learn that not all movies have to be set in America. I remember when they first announced the Harry Potter adaptions JKRowling was adamant they wouldn't be adapted if the character was transplanted to the states.
I can't see myself boycotting any superhero movie if they did an adaption of a character i was really into, I admire folk who can do that if they have a genuine grievance against the movie.