Paradoxium's Financial 'Tao of Fail' Extravaganza!

[Paradoxium]

1. Unions fund and get politician into power.
2. Politician bails them out.
3. Unions never makes concessions due to always getting bailed out.

Go back to step 1, until bankruptcy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

1. Unions fund and get politician into power.
2. Politician bails them out.
3. Unions never makes concessions due to always getting bailed out.

Go back to step 1, until bankruptcy.

Step 4, after bankruptcy get 17.5% of the company you work for in it's reorganization process

 

[Paradoxium]

I don't see how you can feel sorry for them. They elect these morons into power for a quick money grab. You hear what the Democratic gubernatorial candidate Alma Wheeler Smith's idea of turning Michigan around was? Raise taxes (net total of a $6.5 billion hike) and invest in welfare and education. Because they don't already spend a ton, and dumping money into something will obviously fix something.

 

[The Overlord]

So Paradoxium, what's your solution to all this then?

 

[Paradoxium]

Move.

 

[The Overlord]

Move.

No seriously what's your solution to these problems? Surely you have some constructive critcism here.

 

[Paradoxium]

Learn from their mistakes and that's it. Game over for them.

 

[The Overlord]

Learn from their mistakes and that's it. Game over for them.

Sometimes you seem like Noam Chomsky, who points out problems, but doesn't really offer solutions to them.

 

[Paradoxium]

A more interesting question is, why should anyone try to fix their problem even if they have the solution?

 

[The Overlord]

A more interesting question is, why should anyone try to fix their problem even if they have the solution?

What's the point of pointing out a problem if there is no solution to it?

A problem without a solution is just depressing, its why some people become nihilists or misanthropes or both. If one believes the world is full of problems that don't solutions, then why would one believe in anything?

Ultimately people need to believe in solutions to problems to give them hope, problems with no solutions creates nothing sorrow.

I mean what kind of discussion can we have about this article, if you don't have prescription for it? Are we merely supposed to agree with you the situtation is hopeless then move on?

This is why I made the Noam Chomsky comparsion, because he is good at pointing problems and not so good at providing solutions, which is why I have doubts whether his philosophy is useful at all.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't see how you can feel sorry for them. They elect these morons into power for a quick money grab. You hear what the Democratic gubernatorial candidate Alma Wheeler Smith's idea of turning Michigan around was? Raise taxes (net total of a $6.5 billion hike) and invest in welfare and education. Because they don't already spend a ton, and dumping money into something will obviously fix something.

Because unlike California where if they just simply changed their ways, most of their problems would be solved, in Michigan even if they changed their ways, they're still ****ed because of their dire economic situation.

 

[Paradoxium]

Because unlike California where if they just simply changed their ways, most of their problems would be solved, in Michigan even if they changed their ways, they're still ****ed because of their dire economic situation.

Good point.

 

[Paradoxium]

What's the point of pointing out a problem if there is no solution to it?

A problem without a solution is just depressing, its why some people become nihilists or misanthropes or both. If one believes the world is full of problems that don't solutions, then why would one believe in anything?

Ultimately people need to believe in solutions to problems to give them hope, problems with no solutions creates nothing sorrow.

I mean what kind of discussion can we have about this article, if you don't have prescription for it? Are we merely supposed to agree with you the situtation is hopeless then move on?

This is why I made the Noam Chomsky comparsion, because he is good at pointing problems and not so good at providing solutions, which is why I have doubts whether his philosophy is useful at all.

Because it is fun watching people continually repeat variations of the same failed idealistic and well intended "solutions". It's one thing to fail with a new approach, it's another doing repeating the same thing again. I would have less problem with the former than the latter.

Since I have no power anyways - even if I have the ideas - I stick with what I can do within my own realm. Adapt on a micro personal, to macro political moves. Point out the nay, so others might adapt and not get ****ed. How one adapts is mostly trial and error. That's how I game it, and it's very reactive. Maybe if I can earn enough money one day, I will voluntarily contribute back to society privately in a productive way.

Others can do what they want. They can lose themselves to a politician or political ideal... but don't legislate your BS to social engineer me.

 

[BlackLantern]

Unions are the worst...because of their greed, Connecticut is looking at another 2,000 unemployed people within the next 3 months because AT&T (which has reached agreements with almost every local chapter throughtout their operations) can't reach a deal with the local here in CT

 

[bell110]

What's the point of pointing out a problem if there is no solution to it?

A problem without a solution is just depressing, its why some people become nihilists or misanthropes or both. If one believes the world is full of problems that don't solutions, then why would one believe in anything?

Ultimately people need to believe in solutions to problems to give them hope, problems with no solutions creates nothing sorrow.

I mean what kind of discussion can we have about this article, if you don't have prescription for it? Are we merely supposed to agree with you the situtation is hopeless then move on?

This is why I made the Noam Chomsky comparsion, because he is good at pointing problems and not so good at providing solutions, which is why I have doubts whether his philosophy is useful at all.

Well, if you point out the problems of America, that makes you unAmerican. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[The Overlord]

Well, if you point out the problems of America, that makes you unAmerican. Didn't you get the memo?

Don't get me wrong pointing problems is important, but not offering a solution to any of these problems can make one look like a serial complainer, someone who merely talks about problems rather then finding ways to deal with said problems. That makes serial complainers very easy to dismiss.

Because it is fun watching people continually repeat variations of the same failed idealistic and well intended "solutions". It's one thing to fail with a new approach, it's another doing repeating the same thing again. I would have less problem with the former than the latter.

Since I have no power anyways - even if I have the ideas - I stick with what I can do within my own realm. Adapt on a micro personal, to macro political moves. Point out the nay, so others might adapt and not get ****ed. How one adapts is mostly trial and error. That's how I game it, and it's very reactive. Maybe if I can earn enough money one day, I will voluntarily contribute back to society privately in a productive way.

Others can do what they want. They can lose themselves to a politician or political ideal... but don't legislate your BS to social engineer me.

1. It seems a tad cruel to laugh at the misfortunes of others, no matter what government is charge, I wouldn't laugh at an African country run by a horrible government.

2. If unions are private organizations, how are they any more examples of "social engineering" then corporations? Why should be set of private organizations be trusted and the other one shouldn't?

3. If merely reducing the size of government is the solution to all problems, then how do you explain some of the stats regarding the Red States, in terms of being unhealthy, Worst education having the most teen pregnancies and other such dubious awards? If they have least government involement of all these states, why aren't they doing the best in these areas?

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100249331&GT1=31036
http://womensissues.about.com/od/datingandsex/a/TeenPregStates.htm
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/rankings.html
http://www.usnews.com/articles/educ...t-high-schools-state-by-state-statistics.html

 

[StorminNorman]

You are confusing Red States with small government. Who here is going to call the GOP a small government party?

 

[Handsome Rob]

You are confusing Red States with small government. Who here is going to call the GOP a small government party?

Right now, they're the less-large-than-the-Democrats'-idea-of-government party.

Small government party? Hardly!

 

[Paradoxium]

Private business lobbying legislation/perks etc.. is corporatism. I am violently against this. And Stormy more or less made the right rebuttal. And more importantly, I have more inclinations towards Timocracy than say a small government Democracy anyways.

 

[chaseter]

Unions use to be good and they once did good things. With so many labor laws and assurance for worker care as well as fair pay for everyone, they are now useless. They are nothing but corrupt organizations that run companies into the ground.

 

[bell110]

You are confusing Red States with small government. Who here is going to call the GOP a small government party?

So why do you keep working with them?

 

[Kurosawa]

What's the point of pointing out a problem if there is no solution to it?

A problem without a solution is just depressing, its why some people become nihilists or misanthropes or both. If one believes the world is full of problems that don't solutions, then why would one believe in anything?

Ultimately people need to believe in solutions to problems to give them hope, problems with no solutions creates nothing sorrow.

I mean what kind of discussion can we have about this article, if you don't have prescription for it? Are we merely supposed to agree with you the situtation is hopeless then move on?

This is why I made the Noam Chomsky comparsion, because he is good at pointing problems and not so good at providing solutions, which is why I have doubts whether his philosophy is useful at all.

There are no solutions and there is no hope unless you are rich. Life is not even worth living except for the wealthy. People are inherently selfish, greedy and evil and the world reflects this. Our Government and political parties can do nothing to make life better for average working people, nor can organizations like unions.

 

[Motown Marvel]

yesssssssssss i got a raise at work today!

 

[StorminNorman]

So why do you keep working with them?

Because the GOP constituency is far more aligned with my beliefs than the Democratic ones.

The GOP can, and I believe, will change. We are already seeing it with the Tea Party candidates. The GOP Primary process is going to see the birth of "Tea Party" Republicans which will (hopefully) be small government advocates.

We only have two parties, gotta pick the superior one.

 

[StorminNorman]

So why do you keep working with them?

There are no solutions and there is no hope unless you are rich. Life is not even worth living except for the wealthy. People are inherently selfish, greedy and evil and the world reflects this. Our Government and political parties can do nothing to make life better for average working people, nor can organizations like unions.

I'm not remotely rich. My family is not remotely rich. We are quite happy with life