"Passengers" - Sci-fi drama starring Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence

[Dark Raven]

It's probably along the lines where a poor man claims to be rich to make himself more appealing. He may not have pounced on the girl, but he did mislead her. Some consider that rape because of false pretenses.

Again, like in the previous post, this is the plot to many romcoms. Or even vice versa. Were Maid in Manhattan or Coming to America rape movies? Or what about Cinderella or Cyrano De Bergerac?

 

[flickchick85]

To be fair, the truth usually comes out before they get that far in rom-coms. Partially because the lying protagonist feels so terrible about their deception. In this, he never actually even came clean...Arthur did it for him. And Jim didn't appear to have any intention of doing so before that, either.

 

[Dark Raven]

To be fair, the truth usually comes out before they get that far in rom-coms. Partially because the lying protagonist feels so terrible about their deception. In this, he never actually even came clean...Arthur did it for him. And Jim didn't appear to have any intention of doing so before that.

Not usually. The protagonist usually plans to tell the other party but they usually find out by some other means, just like Arthur did and never actually end up coming clean themselves. But sometimes they don't always plan to tell them either.

And they do get that far. It's always by the end of the 2nd act in romcoms, which is why it's called the end of 2nd act crisis. That's usually at least two thirds of the way through the movie.

 

[flickchick85]

The rom-coms I've seen don't usually see the protagonists sleeping together 'til the end, lol. I remember there was one awful one I saw with Matthew McConaughey and Sarah Jessica Parker where she DID sleep with him under false pretenses and it was definitely beyond skeevy there, too. It was impossible to root for them as a couple at that point. Her character was kind of despicable.

Honestly, a lot of relationship dynamics in bad rom-coms (which are most rom-coms) are sketchy as hell too. Which is why most of the genre is garbage, imo.

 

[Dark Raven]

The rom-coms I've seen don't usually see the protagonists sleeping together 'til the end, lol. I remember there was one awful one I saw with Matthew McConaughey and Sarah Jessica Parker where she DID sleep with him under false pretenses and it was definitely beyond skeevy there, too. It was impossible to root for them as a couple at that point. Her character was kind of despicable.

Honestly, a lot of relationship dynamics in bad rom-coms (which are most rom-coms) are sketchy as hell too. Which is why most of the genre is garbage, imo.

In many romcoms the truth comes out after the protagonist seemingly gets everything they want and they think they are finally happy. The revelation often comes after they've just slept together. That's what ramps up the tension even more. The sleeping together is almost like the calm before the storm. It seems to be the plot to countless romantic comedies. The storm also happens just when they're about to come clean or take things to the next level, just like in Passengers when he was about to propose and everything seemed to be going swimmingly.

 

[flickchick85]

I really don't think that's all that common - at least with the kind of secret like "I'm not really who you think I am and have been manipulating you this whole time." And when that is the case, it's ALWAYS skeevy, imo.

This is why the best rom-coms are like When Harry Met Sally, when the biggest "secret" between the protagonists are their own feelings. The ones based on deception gimmicks are usually terrible for these reasons.

 

[Loki882]

Aren't a lot of romantic comedies like that then? Half of them are built on a plot of someone pretending they're someone or something they're not or on some deception in order to impress the object of their affection and to get the girl or guy to like them. In most cases the other person wouldn't have slept with them or begun a romantic relationship if they knew the truth.

And that is often the tension throughout the film with the protagonist hoping they won't get found out until they do by the end of the 2nd act where they face a crisis which is only resolved by the 3rd act when the guy or girl decides to forgive them and they're effectively rewarded for their selfishness.

So by your definition, aren't all these romcoms actually rape movies?

I don't care what romantic comedies do. This isn't supposed to be a romantic comedy, so what they do is irrelevant in this case. This movie makes pretensions of being something "deeper," so I shall judge it as such. And as such, it fails miserably.

Also I've never subscribed to the notion that "well something else does something questionable, so you should automatically give this work as pass because of that" anyway.

 

[metaphysician]

*cough* Its not the lying that makes it rape, its the kidnapping. He, for all intents and purposes, took JL's character away from where she *intended* to be, and locked her up with him, no possibility of escape. And he did it with the specific intent of getting into her pants. Kidnapping, and thus rape.

As for saving lives, bluntly, it doesn't improve things at *all*. He had no way of knowing beforehand that such would happen. It was purely a way for the writers to put in "Well, if he hadn't kidnapped Jennifer Laurence, everyone would have died, so it was all justified in the end, right?" Adding justification to the kidnapping and rape doesn't make it better, it makes it worse, because in real life? Almost *all* rapists justify it to themselves in one way or another. "In this case, kidnapping and rape is justified" is a terrible plot, and they should have thought better.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Finally saw this last night, I actually quite enjoyed it, it certainly wasn't perfect and had issues but I enjoyed watching the movie.

The leads were great and the movie posed some interesting questions.

I think what would have been more interesting towards the end though was Jim telling Aurora she could go back into [BLACKOUT]hypersleep before they had to save the ship and before she forgives him. Have it be she is due to go back to sleep just as the problems start occuring.[/BLACKOUT]

Overall though I still enjoyed and it wasn't as bad as made out.

 

[Voltron]

Why oh why didn't they just stick to the script!!???

[BLACKOUT]1-It's revealed in the very beginning what caused Jim to be awoken when in the script this was revealed much later in the movie (asteroid/s damaged the ship). This revelation is spoilt the movie.

2-When they replaced the damaged central system the other passengers in hypersleep were suppose to have been ejected out of the ship into space so it turns out that Jim waking Aurora actually spared her life!!
[/BLACKOUT]

Also, I didn't like the interior space ship design, it looked plain, boring, and a tad 70's.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

NY Times - Who Is Jennifer Lawrence Now?

In her mid-20s, as she finished up the “Hunger Games” franchise and moved on to films that were less warmly received, she could sense her fans’ dismay: “I was like, ‘Oh no, you guys are here because I’m here, and I’m here because you’re here. Wait, who decided that this was a good movie?’”

Was there a certain title that made her feel that way? “‘Passengers,’ I guess,” Lawrence said, singling out the lambasted 2016 sci-fi romance she starred in with Chris Pratt. “Adele told me not to do it! She was like, ‘I feel like space movies are the new vampire movies.’ I should have listened to her.”

Between the Star Wars sequels and this, Adele wasn't wrong.

 

[flickchick85]

Always listen to Adele lol.

 

[Dr.]

NY Times - Who Is Jennifer Lawrence Now?



Between the Star Wars sequels and this, Adele wasn't wrong.

Seems like Adele’s sage advice was more to do with staying away from entire genres — and not just this movie in particular.

 

[Dark Raven]

If the scenario had been different in this movie and it was a child who woke up first and all alone, there's almost no question they would've woken up their parents even though that would be condemning the parents to death effectively. I don't think a child would even have thought of that, and the parents would not have held that against their child. Even between siblings I bet some would do that.

 

[TheVileOne]

Dark Phoenix

 

[Lily Adler]

Dark Phoenix

It says page doesn't exist.

 

[TheVileOne]

It says page doesn't exist.

I'm sure that's what Jennifer Lawrence thinks now with the X-Men films.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm sure that's what Jennifer Lawrence thinks now with the X-Men films.

They ended after Days of Future Past and Logan and no one will tell me otherwise.

 

[TheVileOne]

They ended after Days of Future Past and Logan and no one will tell me otherwise.

Mystique taking a more homosapien, non-blue form at a school full of other mutants.

Beast turning into Beast form at will whenever he wants.

Characters never aging across 30-40 years.

 

[BoredGuy]

But even DOFP started that
That movie turned Beast into Fuzzy Hulk and refused to let anyone age

I may have hated First Class, but they still should've stuck with the foundation it laid out

 

[TheVileOne]

But even DOFP started that
That movie turned Beast into Fuzzy Hulk and refused to let anyone age

I may have hated First Class, but they still should've stuck with the foundation it laid out

I know

FYI, Xavier and Magneto are both in their 60s in Dark Phoenix.

 

[Lily Adler]

I know

FYI, Xavier and Magneto are both in their 60s in Dark Phoenix.

I forgot whose idea was to do the 10 year time skips in between films...

 

[BoredGuy]

I know

FYI, Xavier and Magneto are both in their 60s in Dark Phoenix.

You tellin me this doesn't look 60 to you?:

 

[TheVileOne]

You tellin me this doesn't look 60 to you?:

More like sexty!

 

[TheVileOne]

I forgot whose idea was to do the 10 year time skips in between films...

Simon Kinberg?