Pilot that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima dies at 92

[Duende Verde]

This picture is so... like that plane they used to drop the bomb.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

It's about damn time.

I hope he rests in peace. I am grateful for what he had to do. We would not be tappin' on this message board if not for his sacrifice. War is ugly business and freedom is not free.

Is this a joke? God patriotism is funny.

 

[Figs]

first of all sport....
sure fire way of looking like an idiot in the first sentence of your response?
say "your a dumbass" it's "you're" that's one.

second of all, the dropping of the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima had NOTHING to do with Pearl Harbor, NOTHING. regardless of "what you think" I would strongly advice you actually pick up a history book to see exactly why the second world war unfolded as it did, other wise shut up. and stop using the word liberal from such an early age to justify those who happen to disagree with your obviously uninformed and idiotic points of view.
that's two.

how you can say that the Hiroshima deal was "retaliation" is beyond ignorance.
Pearl Harbor was a military target. it was, shall we say a "preemptive strike" the kind that George Bush jr. so favors.
however. Hiroshima was an entirely different deal.


that **** right there?
is evil.

it's insane how you can moan and weep and ***** and say that "the world changed on 9-11"over 3,000 people but the death of 220,000.00 you write off like "hey, it's war man, don't thread on me blah! blah! blah!"
**** you, you're an idiot.
that's three.

and finally, your analogy is flawed.
it's kind of like, someone sneaks up on you, then punches you as hard as they can, then you start fighting, but the guy won't give up, he keeps fighting....so you obviously...kill his parents and rape his little sister.

that's a little more fitting.

again.

you are an idiot.

First off, yeah someone already refreshed my history for me shortly after I posted that so too little too late on your part.

Second, what I have to say to you I won't post cause I don't care to get instantly banned.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

....In other words...

You don't have a response

 

[PemLam]

I will gladly serve my country if I feel the freedoms and rights which I believe in are legitimately threatened.

Furthermore, what you said was that you would happily bomb millions of people from another country to save thousands of your own men. That to me is cowardice, especially since your men signed up and now the risk they face, while almost all of those millions are innocent civilians, NOT soldiers. That to me is cowardice. Sorry if you don't agree.

Actually, what I said was that if it was between millions of someone's else's people as opposed to thousands of my fellow soldiers, I'd prefer to keep my fellow soldiers.

What I would prefer and what I would do if required or necessary aren't exactly the same thing. And where do you get innocent civilians from? What I said in my post was the dropping of A-Bombs on two military targets as opposed to invading. I even put in it nice big capital letters for you so you wouldn't miss it, little did I know you'd intentionally put your own spin on a post in order to get a couple shots in...real classy.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

THAT COUNTRY WAS THE ENEMY.......EVERYBODY IN IT GOT PULLED INTO IT FOR GOOD OR BAD.

no irony here folks.
look away, look away, no Irony here at all.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Osama is not a member or leader of any recognized or formal military. Osama doesn't represent any country or government. He instead represents a 'cause' or a 'religion', but with his own twisted notions of how the cause or religion should conduct itself.

When countries go to war, it's an action taken by governmental bodies - not privately funded vigilante groups (aka terrorists).

Discernment. It's what's for breakfast.

oh, so government sanctioned slaughter is a-ok?
damn, Osama should've gone and ran for office and THEN order the slaughter of Innocent civilians, because that, would be fine.
guess since Saddam was a government official "looking out for the welfare of his people" Lazur is fine with him gassing the **** out of the Kurds.

since he is a government official and all.

Hypocrisy, apparently, it's what's for dinner.

 

[Jerry!]

The thing about what Wilhelm said in jest, that it would be career suicide, thats not too far from the truth. Like I said before, if an officer or soldier willingly disobeys a lawful direct order from a superior, he can be sentenced to death. The only real way out of that is if it wasn't a legal order. But it was a legal order, whether you want argue about the location of the bombs is another story, the point is that it was a legal order and he faced death if he disobeyed it.

 

[Kritish]

oh, so government sanctioned slaughter is a-ok?
damn, Osama should've gone and ran for office and THEN order the slaughter of Innocent civilians, because that, would be fine.
guess since Saddam was a government official "looking out for the welfare of his people" Lazur is fine with him gassing the **** out of the Kurds.

since he is a government official and all.

Hypocrisy, apparently, it's what's for dinner.

America’s national policy is “do what we say not what we do”. Silly Liberal.

 

[lazur]

oh, so government sanctioned slaughter is a-ok?
damn, Osama should've gone and ran for office and THEN order the slaughter of Innocent civilians, because that, would be fine.
guess since Saddam was a government official "looking out for the welfare of his people" Lazur is fine with him gassing the **** out of the Kurds.

since he is a government official and all.

Hypocrisy, apparently, it's what's for dinner.

Sparkles, I just love how in your attempts to bash someone's point of view, you regurgitate what they said in a way that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I never said it was 'a-ok' for a government to 'slaughter' innocent civilians, did I? Nope, YOU said that.

What I said was very simply that there's a difference between a well-funded vigilante starting a war, and a governmental body deciding that a war is necessary in order to protect its interests.

You're simply arguing that the death of innocent civilians sucks, no matter who does it. And I agree. But I disagree that we should give carte blanche to every would-be wealthy vigilante out there to do as they please, and then to justify it with the use of faulty logic.

Had Osama been say President of Iran or something, 9/11 would have been a direct declaration of war and we'd be justified for going in and 'dealing' with Iran. But he wasn't a leader of a country. So our alternative is to go in and deal not with a single country, but with a terrorist organization he founded that has roots in several countries.

Again, discernment. I think we all agree that people dying in a war sucks, but those of us who ARE NOT pacifists also agree that sometimes war is necessary.

As in Japan's case, Japan's government put their people at risk. They knew what they were doing when they did what they did to get us into WWII. There's a reason they called America the 'sleeping giant' - the writing was on the wall.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Sparkles, I just love how in your attempts to bash someone's point of view, you regurgitate what they said in a way that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I never said it was 'a-ok' for a government to 'slaughter' innocent civilians, did I? Nope, YOU said that.

What I said was very simply that there's a difference between a well-funded vigilante starting a war, and a governmental body deciding that a war is necessary in order to protect its interests.

You're simply arguing that the death of innocent civilians sucks, no matter who does it. And I agree. But I disagree that we should give carte blanche to every would-be wealthy vigilante out there to do as they please, and then to justify it with the use of faulty logic.

Had Osama been say President of Iran or something, 9/11 would have been a direct declaration of war and we'd be justified for going in and 'dealing' with Iran. But he wasn't a leader of a country. So our alternative is to go in and deal not with a single country, but with a terrorist organization he founded that has roots in several countries.

Again, discernment. I think we all agree that people dying in a war sucks, but those of us who ARE NOT pacifists also agree that sometimes war is necessary.

As in Japan's case, Japan's government put their people at risk. They knew what they were doing when they did what they did to get us into WWII. There's a reason they called America the 'sleeping giant' - the writing was on the wall.

really? let's put things in context here then.

News Flash! "WAR IS BAD STUFF"!! Really bad! Better if it was American boys and girls, I guess.

Again...can you find it in your heart to not blame the agressor (JAPAN) instead of the country that defended itself??? They never would have had a the bomb dropped on them if their leaders had not plunged them into war with countries that did nothing to them.

so, here, Celldog argues that the Hiroshima bombing was justified, since after all, Japan was the aggressor, and engaged in an "unprovoked" attack ( though anyone that has ever read history knows that the US knew full well an attack was coming after it ordered Japan to stop it's expansionist policies, in efforts unrelated to the war itself) and since the Japanese government "plunged" it's populace into a war with the US, the Japanese populace is fair game.

^ exactly what Osama Bin Laden said about the "innocent" people who died on 9/11.

since Osama had declared war on the US in 1996 ( or 98 I think) Wilhelm points out, that the same line of reasoning was used by Osama Bin Laden in the attacks on American interests, and in something you can more closely relate to, which is the attacks on US soil.

Osama is not a member or leader of any recognized or formal military. Osama doesn't represent any country or government. He instead represents a 'cause' or a 'religion', but with his own twisted notions of how the cause or religion should conduct itself.

When countries go to war, it's an action taken by governmental bodies - not privately funded vigilante groups (aka terrorists).

Discernment. It's what's for breakfast.

so here, you kind of make two mistakes.
during the afghan war, the US itself "recognized" Al Quaeda as a military group ( so much so, they used to fund it) and they Recognized Osama as it's leader.
and they thought enough of him as a representative of his people, to deal directly with him in training and aiding his "troops" in repelling the Russian invasion.

you of course remember that right? so that's your first mistake.

second, you give a neat little "when countries go to war...." speech.
which inferred you thought it justified on the part of the US to slaughter innocent civilians, why?

because of the context, and because you never clarified that you were against the bombing.

oh, and another thing.
I don't remember saying that war, especially the second world war was unnecessary .
however, I do think that targeting civilians is wrong, regardless if you think they are beasts, and inhuman.
you know WHY the Hiroshima and Nagasaki deals were so ****ed up?
because back then you had to visually acquire your target, no neat laser guidance or computers doing the work, you had to come into visual range of the objective, line it up and drop.
the pilot knew that it was NOT a military target and it was one of the greatest monstrosities ever perpetrated on humanity.
it's disgusting how you can call terrorists "monsters" for targeting civilians,. but you can calmly justify the actions of your military with " their government put them at risk" Like Wilhelm and I have been trying to say.

that is exactly what Terrorists think. "your government put you at risk"

pathetic.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Lazur said: As in Japan's case, Japan's government put their people at risk. They knew what they were doing when they did what they did to get us into WWII. There's a reason they called America the 'sleeping giant' - the writing was on the wall.

They don't want to listen. I've said that 4 times already. Blame the Japanese government. Don't blame America for defending herself.
As the old saying goes, "I may not have started the fight. But I'll sho' nuff finish it."

The U.S. finished it.

 

[Memphis Slim]

The bomb was wrong but it sent the right message...if that makes sense.

Nope.

 

[Memphis Slim]

It's about damn time.


Is this a joke? God patriotism is funny.

How so?

 

[Memphis Slim]

I also find it ironic that the same folks on this board care so much for children but are okay with this............

PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION

I mean...since we can show photos of Japanese children after the bomb, this is fair game too.

 

[Manic]

Slim, what the hell does abortion have to do with Hiroshima? You don't just jump the topic from war casualties to snatching dead babies from a vagina.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Slim, what the hell does abortion have to do with Hiroshima? You don't just jump the topic from war casualties to snatching dead babies from a vagina.

It's killing children!!!!!! And big bad U.S. killed a bunch of kids in Germany and Japan!!

So we're the bad guys! not their maniacal and genocidal governments that lead them into that!! Noooooooo.......not Hitler And Tojo. Truman is the villain!!

Abortion is much more deliberate and it's not even in the "CONTEXT" of war!!! Children are just targeted....for nothing!! Yet you guys are cool with that.

 

[Jerry!]

In before the lock.

 

[Manic]

It's killing children!!!!!! And big bad U.S. killed a bunch of kids in Germany and Japan!!

So we're the bad guys! not their maniacal and genocidal governments that lead them into that!! Noooooooo.......not Hitler And Tojo. Truman is the villain!!

Abortion is much more deliberate and it's not even in the "CONTEXT" of war!!! Children are just targeted....for nothing!! Yet you guys are cool with that.

1. I'm against abortion, so don't start with me.

2. I think what most people are saying is that all sides in WWII killed people, and all sides are guilty for committing horrible acts. I think war is sometimes necessary, but you've got to admit that killing people is bad. And every country (again, on both sides) involved in that war had people killed, be they soldiers or civilians.
No one is saying that the Germans, Italians, or Japanese were justified. But the side you're arguing against says that we did our fair share of bad s***, too.

Should we have retaliated? Defended ourselves? Yes. God, yes. But that doesn't mean the US and our allies didn't get our hands dirty doing it.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I also find it ironic that the same folks on this board care so much for children but are okay with this............

PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION

I mean...since we can show photos of Japanese children after the bomb, this is fair game too.

They're BOTH wrong. One being legally accepted doesn't justify the other one. Hell being legal doesn't even justify itself as being good either.

 

[The Mighty Wind]

I also find it ironic that the same folks on this board care so much for children but are okay with this............

PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION

I mean...since we can show photos of Japanese children after the bomb, this is fair game too.

1. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who is willing to support any abortion that occurs once any level of brainwaves are developed.

2. I've grown a little tired of waiting for a response to any of the following posts directed at you...

No, you simply told me what you think is right, to drop bombs in order to save lives, fair enough. What I asked you is "Would Jesus have wanted such a thing to occur?" which you never did answer.

So, quite simply, do you, someone who is supposed to live your life by the will and grace of your saviour, Jesus Christ believe that he, your lord, would have supported dropping an atomic bomb upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Yep. Because that's my duty as a civilian. To question, to doubt, to be a skeptic. You are blind because you choose a leader and stick with him. You take all of your chosen ideology as truth and make certain people immune to questionability (not a word, but it should be). Likewise those that you argue with do the same, they take a position, choose a leader and refuse to question the rights or wrongs of the details.

It is that sort of mentality that led to the very people you are so afraid of. It was a nation of Germans who simply refused to question a certain enigmatic leader who did a whole lot of good for the (not so Jewish) German people.

So please, stop shouting at me from the bandwagon, and start concerning yourself with who's driving.

Soldiers vs. civilians, there's a distinction. And not only have you failed to actually answer whether of not you feel Jesus would have supported bombing Hiroshima, you've also neglected to respond to any of my other posts. I'd really like to see what it is you have to say, if only to tear it apart word by word.

I'm fairly confident that you don't have me blocked because you are quite clearly willing to engage in conversation with those who don't agree with you. So, if you're going to play this silly little game, how about you actually bring something to the table instead of simply picking your attacks.

 

[Memphis Slim]

1. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who is willing to support any abortion that occurs once any level of brainwaves are developed.

2. I've grown a little tired of waiting for a response to any of the following posts directed at you...







I'm fairly confident that you don't have me blocked because you are quite clearly willing to engage in conversation with those who don't agree with you. So, if you're going to play this silly little game, how about you actually bring something to the table instead of simply picking your attacks.

And I'm fairly confident that you can read. I've answered the Jesus question pages ago. I'm not jumping thru hoops on your say-so. So go back and read it.

And for the record, there are a lot of cats on this board who are okay with that abortion procedure! We've had that debate here before. They could care less....it's the woman's right.....etc etc......

You guys can't have it both ways.
The U.S. did what it needed to do. War is a bloody mess. Women die, children die.....soldiers die.

No more U.S. lives needed to be put at risk. The bombs sent a message and ended the war.

But guess what?? What other country would kick your butt and then turn around and help you re-build? Would Germany do that for us? Japan maybe??

At the least there wouldn't be anymore blacks or Jews alive in the U.S......that's for sure.

 

[The Mighty Wind]

And I'm fairly confident that you can read. I've answered the Jesus question pages ago. I'm not jumping thru hoops on your say-so. So go back and read it.

And for the record, there are a lot of cats on this board who are okay with that abortion procedure! We've had that debate here before. They could care less....it's the woman's right.....etc etc......

You guys can't have it both ways.
The U.S. did what it needed to do. War is a bloody mess. Women die, children die.....soldiers die.

No more U.S. lives needed to be put at risk. The bombs sent a message and ended the war.

But guess what?? What other country would kick your butt and then turn around and help you re-build? Would Germany do that for us? Japan maybe??

At the least there wouldn't be anymore blacks or Jews alive in the U.S......that's for sure.

Finally found your quote on Jesus. It stuns me the loopholes Christians find to take non-Christ like action.

As for that last sentence, just wow, stunning. I truly hope its just misguided sarcasm.

Furthermore, I will at least agree with you that the abortion style you posted the procedure of is disgusting and wrong. I support a woman's right to have an abortion, however once the fetus (and its not a child, its a fetus) develops brainwaves, then, unless it is the direst of circumstances, I think its incredibly wrong and should be illegal. First trimester and that should be the limit.

And beyond that, all you've done in this case is bring up an issue that isn't at hand. Abortion relies on when people think human life starts, not how human life should be treated.

 

[Jerry!]

I think that last sentence was if Germany/Japan had won and ravaged America there wouldn't be any blacks or Jews left.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Um... first of all the US didn't help rebuild Hiroshima at all. It's STILL in ruins.

Second of all, I don't care what somebody does, it doesn't justify using a bomb that can wipe out an entire city. Innocent lives must NEVER be killed. If you kill, you become just as guilty. If you support the killer you're a pawn of "the devil" (I'm just putting this is Christian tense)

Third: Using the abortion argument was irrelevant

Fourth: Backing that up by saying: "You said it isn't ok for children to die but look at this!"

I don't care about you're little diagram. That's just as bad. It's still taking innocent lives. "Judge ye not your fellow man lest ye be without sin." What about: "Let he without sin cast the first stone"? You can't say that all of us on here think that abortion is wrong. Sure there is a select few who are pro-abortion but you can't pin that against the rest of us buddy.

And I noticed how you liked to post the American flag everywhere? I'm sure your proud that you guys don't have terrorism huh? Look into the CIA my friend Patriotism is a mediocre belief that will brainwash you to fallow your leaders and their ridiculous decisions.


Now Slim, don't go ignoring my post again