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Pixar's Brave - In Theaters Summer 2012

Ugh...my gf wants to see this movie. Looks like she's going alone, I'm done with kid movies, even if they're made so adults can enjoy them.

Pixar is an all-ages brand. Throughout my years of working at a theater, I can attest a new Pixar movie not only brings out families, but adults by their lonesome because Pixar almost always means quality filmmaking, animation or not. (Except Cars 2, which is an utter monstrosity.)
 
Why, because I don't care much for cartoons anymore?

That you seem to be so closed minded to some of the best storytelling and filmmaking to ever grace our planet.
 
I don't think it's a musical.

ah, thanks.

A good story is a good story no matter what medium it's told in. Animation is just another tool to tell great stories.

^ this.

I went through a period ( late teens, early twenties ) when I completely rejected animated films and cartoons, for being too kiddy. The sole exceptions were Japanese Anime and Superhero-related cartoons. Other than those, I thumbed my nose to animated stuff.

However, a few years ago, something channged. perhaps because I was getting older, I had a nostalgic yearning for stuff from my childhood. So, I went to Youtube and started watching the Disney films that I grew up with ( Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, etc. ). To my surprise, I actually found myself enjoying ( and appreciating ) these films much more as an adult than I ever did as a kid.

With Beauty and the Beast, especially, I was so touched by it, I completely fell in love with it ( I only vaguely remembered it as a kid ) and it is now my favorite movie of all time.

I still didn't like the 3d animated films much (except Incredibles), preferring the traditional hand drawn 2d animations. That's why I initially rejected Tangled when it came out a few years ago. It looked kiddy and stupid. But a few months ago, I read up it's story online and decided to give it a chance. Much like Beauty, I absolutely loved it, and I rank it high up there with Beauty and Mermaid as my favorite Disney films. (Rapunzel is so adorable!!!)

So, now, I am much more open and eager to see something like Brave. A decade ago, you would have had to drag me kicking and screaming to see something like that......lol.

Oh, and one big reason why I'm liking animation again?? Most live action flicks these days suck........lol
 
Why, because I don't care much for cartoons anymore?

Because you killed your inner child! Because (to you) being an adult means you don't enjoy childish things. Cartoons are an art form, adults make a living doing them because they love it, and want to make something that makes people happy. Dark and depressing is crap in my book. As my art teacher once said, (paraphrasing) It doesn't take any creativity to depict something negative, to depict something creative takes talent and love. Hollywood or Tarantino can easily pull out the the darkest of ideas, stat! But good positive filmmaking takes good story telling, time and love. That's why it fails so often because it's a difficult process, and requires the right balance of creativity with right group of individuals for that film.
 
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That you seem to be so closed minded to some of the best storytelling and filmmaking to ever grace our planet.

Not close minded at all. I still do get enjoyment from Pixar films I just don't have that excitement some do to watch them though. They're films where I have that mindset of "I'll get around to watching it" as opposed to seeing it in the theater.

Because you killed your inner child! Because (to you) being an adult means you don't enjoy childish things. Cartoons are an art form, adults make a living doing them because they love it, and want to make something that makes people happy. Dark and depressing is crap in my book. As my art teacher once said, (paraphrasing) It doesn't take any creativity to depict something negative, to depict something creative takes talent and love. Hollywood or Tarantino can easily pull out the the darkest of ideas, stat! But good positive filmmaking takes good story telling, time and love. That's why it fails so often because it's a difficult process, and requires the right balance of creativity with right group of individuals for that film.

When I said I don't care for animated movies as much as I used to, that in no way meant I only like dark and depressing films. I love comedies and other light hearted films. As I said to Darth, I still watch films like Pixars but I'm just not excited about them as I used to be.
 
There's no need to insult someone because of their personal tastes in entertainment. If he isn't big on animated movies, that's his call.

That is not an insult. Not liking something because of its very nature is close-minded behavior. Which was heavily implied in the initial post I read.
 
Not close minded at all. I still do get enjoyment from Pixar films I just don't have that excitement some do to watch them though. They're films where I have that mindset of "I'll get around to watching it" as opposed to seeing it in the theater.



When I said I don't care for animated movies as much as I used to, that in no way meant I only like dark and depressing films. I love comedies and other light hearted films. As I said to Darth, I still watch films like Pixars but I'm just not excited about them as I used to be.

Yeah I'm not into them as much as I used to be, I find that their past few stories have been pretentious, forced, to serious and emotionally manipulative.

Ratatouille - lecturing rat, not enough fun, he steals the old ladies cook book, WTF?

Wall-E - preachy environmentally, Wall-E wasn't in love with Eve he was in love with love.

UP - The wife dies at the beginning to manipulate you emotionally all the way to the end. Carl risks the characters lives by not giving up the bird, logically why was he afraid to tell the guy that he knew where the bird was before he found out he was psychotic? He knew going all the way back to his childhood that he was looking for the bird. What's wrong with catching a bird, he wanted it alive, why was he afraid to let the guy know he knew where the bird was. Seams like something got lost in their story committee meetings.

Toy Story 3 - Recycled villain from Toy Story 3, the ending was to serious for a children's movie, maturing it up. Manipulating the viewer by making them think they were going to kill off the characters. First, all the audience members would of beeen seriously traumatized if it happened, especially the children. Second they'd never get rid of their successful characters, they needed them for sequels and future toys. Seriously did anyone believe they were going to do it? I was rolling my eyes during the entire scene because I knew they'd never do it, great audience emotional manipulation right there.

Cars 2 - To many deaths and a torture scene for a movie aimed at pre schoolers who loved the first movie and played with the toys that are marketed to them.

Ever since they put Mark Andrews as head of the story department the films have that committee feel to them. Unlike when the genius Joe Ranft who was working there as the best story man in animation, who passed away prior to working on Ratatouille. He left Disney to go to Pixar. The stories have this feel now, ok we got this part of the story that works, ok now we have another group working on the other half, how do we piece those two together.
The stories don't feel organic anymore. They have that feeling when the Disney Studio executives Peter Schneider and Thomas Schumacher were calling all the creative shots on the 2D films towards the end. Critics have already accused Brave of having that two story tacked on together feel, the beginning doesn't go with the end, directed by Mark Andrew who replaced Brenda Chapman!

Another theory is they are trying to hard and it is starting to show now, the films story wise feel forced. They are obsessed with getting those Oscars. Push those stories hard to get those oscars, even if they have glitches, we must manipulate them emotionally as much as we can, pluck on their heart strings, make them cry!!! I don't think they are intentionally doing any of this nefariously, they are just losing site what really matters, good stories for the sake of good stories where they feel organic, not that we must work to get that Academy' Award! I mis early Pixar, good films, they felt organic and they made you feel good just for that reason.
 
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Yeah I'm not into them as much as I used to be, I find that their past few stories have been pretentious, forced, to serious and emotionally manipulative.

Ratatouille - lecturing rat, not enough fun, he steals the old ladies cook book, WTF?

Wall-E - preachy environmentally, Wall-E wasn't in love with Eve he was in love with love.

UP - The wife dies at the beginning to manipulate you emotionally all the way to the end. Carl risks the characters lives by not giving up the bird, logically why was he afraid to tell the guy that he knew where the bird was before he found out he was psychotic? He knew going all the way back to his childhood that he was looking for the bird. What's wrong with catching a bird, he wanted it alive, why was he afraid to let the guy know he knew where the bird was. Seams like something got lost in their story committee meetings.

Toy Story 3 - Recycled villain from Toy Story 3, the ending was to serious for a children's movie, maturing it up. Manipulating the viewer by making them think they were going to kill off the characters. First, all the audience members would of beeen seriously traumatized if it happened, especially the children. Second they'd never get rid of their successful characters, they needed them for sequels and future toys. Seriously did anyone believe they were going to do it? I was rolling my eyes during the entire scene because I knew they'd never do it, great audience emotional manipulation right there.

Cars 2 - To many deaths and a torture scene for a movie aimed at pre schoolers who loved the first movie and played with the toys that are marketed to them.

Ever since they put Mark Andrews as head of the story department the films have that committee feel to them. Unlike when the genius Joe Ranft who was working there as the best story man in animation, who passed away prior to working on Ratatouille. He left Disney to go to Pixar. The stories have this feel now, ok we got this part of the story that works, ok now we have another group working on the other half, how do we piece those two together.
The stories don't feel organic anymore. They have that feeling when the Disney Studio executives Peter Schneider and Thomas Schumacher were calling all the creative shots on the 2D films towards the end. Critics have already accused Brave of having that two story tacked on together feel, the beginning doesn't go with the end, directed by Mark Andrew who replaced Brenda Chapman!

Another theory is they are trying to hard and it is starting to show now, the films story wise feel forced. They are obsessed with getting those Oscars. Push those stories hard to get those oscars, even if they have glitches, we must manipulate them emotionally as much as we can, pluck on their heart strings, make them cry!!! I don't think they are intentionally doing any of this nefariously, they are just losing site what really matters, good stories for the sake of good stories where they feel organic, not that we must work to get that Academy' Award! I mis early Pixar, good films, they felt organic and they made you feel good just for that reason.

It's Pixar's job to manipulate us emotionally, they've been doing great except for the Cars movies and Wall-E, imo. It seems like you have some hate for the current Pixar films, and while I agree on Cars and Wall-E, the other films really don't deserve that but it's your opinion.

Also, do you have a link to those critics who complained about Brave's supposedly uneven story?
 
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You don't think Wall-E works on an emotional level. Really?
 
It's Pixar's job to manipulate us emotionally, they've been doing great except for the Cars movies and Wall-E, imo. It seems like you have some hate for the current Pixar films, and while I agree on Cars and Wall-E, the other films really don't deserve that but it's your opinion.

Also, do you have a link to those critics who complained about Brave's supposedly uneven story?

Exactly. It's every movie's job to "manipulate" people emotionally. That's how entertainment works - it's artifical events designed to bring about emotions in the viewers, be it excitement, anger, happiness, fear, anxiety, laughter, etc. To complain that a movie "manipulates" someone into feeling a particular emotion doesn't make sense to me. It's like complaining about the Joker's theme in TDK: "The music makes me tense and uneasy. That's stupid, they shouldn't do that." Um....that's the point.
 
It's Pixar's job to manipulate us emotionally, they've been doing great except for the Cars movies and Wall-E, imo. It seems like you have some hate for the current Pixar films, and while I agree on Cars and Wall-E, the other films really don't deserve that but it's your opinion.

Also, do you have a link to those critics who complained about Brave's supposedly uneven story?

Wall-E is my favorite Pixar film of all time. I don't see your logic whatsoever.
 
Toy Story 3 was one of the most complex and deeper kids movies I'd ever seen and really had wished last fall's Muppet movie would've gone the same route.

I saw the first Toy Story in the theaters with my family, it was crazy seeing the character of Andy all grown up along with me so there was a huge emotional connection right there from the start but I thought the film had a lot more deeper underlying tones and themes throughout the film. The fact that we all get old and sometimes need to move on away from people, it had a lot of themes of death...forgetting ones you loved and this huge emotional weight to it.
 
When I said I don't care for animated movies as much as I used to, that in no way meant I only like dark and depressing films. I love comedies and other light hearted films. As I said to Darth, I still watch films like Pixars but I'm just not excited about them as I used to be.

Sounds like you have a case of Animation Age Ghetto.
 
Toy Story 3 was one of the most complex and deeper kids movies I'd ever seen and really had wished last fall's Muppet movie would've gone the same route.

I saw the first Toy Story in the theaters with my family, it was crazy seeing the character of Andy all grown up along with me so there was a huge emotional connection right there from the start but I thought the film had a lot more deeper underlying tones and themes throughout the film. The fact that we all get old and sometimes need to move on away from people, it had a lot of themes of death...forgetting ones you loved and this huge emotional weight to it.

I was about Andy's age when each Toy Story movie came out. The scene when he gives the toys away hits me like a ton of bricks every time. In my heart of hearts, if they never make a 4th (which I pray they don't), that little girl gives the toys back to Andy when he's married with kids. Because she'd most likely be college age by that point. I can't handle the ending to 3 any other way.
 
That is not an insult. Not liking something because of its very nature is close-minded behavior. Which was heavily implied in the initial post I read.

Regardless, it came off as sounding a bit rude. And there was no need to post that you felt sorry for him either. That post was deleted.

Let's just have some mutual respect for each other's opinions, folks.
 
Ever since the first trailer, this movie seemed generic and bland...reviews seem to show that as well.

I'll catch it at redbox.
 
I think the classic hand-drawn Disney films (Snow White, The Lion King, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Fantasia, Bambi, etc.) were almost uniformly better than everything Pixar has done after the original Toy Story. There is this cheesiness and overweening kiddiness that I don't find in those Disney films, which have the added benefit of possessing a close affinity to popular myth and fable, so there is often a suggestive and seething undercurrent. Hell, I'll even take a Fievel Goes West over most Pixar films. I really liked Ratatouille and the first Toy Story, but otherwise they have a very overrated oeuvre.
 
I watched Cars with my 4-year-old nephew last night. He loves it. I think it's adorable. :up:
 
I thought Incredibles was awesome!! but, other than that and Toy Story 1+2, I have avoided seeing all other Pixar films.

I think it has more to do with the subject matters of those other films. I'm just not interested in cars, or fish, or robots, etc.

Incredibles was about superheros, so I was interested in that.

And Brave is more in line with classic fairy tales with castles and princesses and spells/curses, etc.

So I'm interested in the subject matter of Brave, and I like strong female protagonists.

I'm still debating on whether or not I'm going to see it in theaters or wait till it comes out on DVD, though.....
 
I think with Brave the whole story is basically about the disconnection between the queen and Merida, so the whole thing should have some impact with mothers and daughters for the most part.
 
I think this looks like a fantastic film. But to be honest...i'm a little more excited for that video game movie...Wrecking Ralph or whatever it is.
 
The reviews on this have been pretty underwhelming but I think I 'll still go see it, however Pixar has definitely fallen off since UP to me, the first ten minutes of UP are the best part of the whole movie and after that everything else just goes down hill. And Toy Story 3 was the most formulaic movie I think Pixar has ever put out it was good just very predictable and unneccesary I actually thought 'How to Train Your Dragon' was the better movie that year and 'Cars 2' was a mess from the jump. Pixar needs to get back to innovative story telling cause they are falling off and it's kinda sad to see.
 
Toy Story 3 was one of the most complex and deeper kids movies I'd ever seen and really had wished last fall's Muppet movie would've gone the same route.

I saw the first Toy Story in the theaters with my family, it was crazy seeing the character of Andy all grown up along with me so there was a huge emotional connection right there from the start but I thought the film had a lot more deeper underlying tones and themes throughout the film. The fact that we all get old and sometimes need to move on away from people, it had a lot of themes of death...forgetting ones you loved and this huge emotional weight to it.

I really like Toy Story 3, but outside the end, which crushed my soul, I prefer the first two films.

The reviews on this have been pretty underwhelming but I think I 'll still go see it, however Pixar has definitely fallen off since UP to me, the first ten minutes of UP are the best part of the whole movie and after that everything else just goes down hill. And Toy Story 3 was the most formulaic movie I think Pixar has ever put out it was good just very predictable and unneccesary I actually thought 'How to Train Your Dragon' was the better movie that year and 'Cars 2' was a mess from the jump. Pixar needs to get back to innovative story telling cause they are falling off and it's kinda sad to see.

There is a backlash from critics against Pixar right now that I do find bizarre. John Carter and Cars 2 are prime examples. Both are good films, treated as if they stabbed the reviewers in the eye. If "How to Train Your Dragon" or "Rango" (One of my favorite films) came out from Pixar, people would still be crying "What is wrong with Pixar"?

As to innovative storytelling. I find that to be a misnomer. Pixar's strength has always been telling classic children's tales in a modern, non-condensing and emotional way. It is what Disney did twice before and Hayao Miyazaki has been doing for something like 40 years. Pixar simply picked up the mantel.

If you break down their best films, they aren't super innovative outside of the animation, they are just really, really well made. Brave looks no different and it seems people are looking for something in it, that doesn't exist in the films it is being compared to.
 
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