Homecoming Please NO MORE ultimate version of villains!

[vaderspupil]

I agree. I grew up in the 616 era and I despise the Ultimate Comics. The only Ultimate version I like better than 616 is Nick Fury just because SLJ is such a badass!

In this this day and age, you could easily do a 616 version of the Green Goblin with mo-cap and it would look great. For Electro while i agree that his 616 yellow headpiece would look kind of silly on screen, maybe they could do something like have electricity coming out of his head to mimic the look of the mask.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Electro needs to stay buried for a while, at least until Foxx's version isn't fresh in the general audience's memory.

 

[Wildcard]

I agree for the most part unless it's Electro because his costume is nauseating. But yeah, I hate that they went the Ultimate route for guys like Rhino. My mom, who doesn't even read the comics, hated the Mech suit & wanted the traditional version. I agree, I want to see a big guy either mutated into a Rhino-esque creature or wearing a suit.

Just like I want to see a 616 live action Eddie Brock/Venom & not one who's almost smaller than Spider-Man.

 

[docdoc]

Webb's already gone, docdoc...

I said "before they choose to work with MCU", which means when Marc Webb was still attached to Amazing Spider-Man 3, I wanted him NOT to return for the franchise. Now of cause everything is fine coz he's fired. Sadly along with Andrew Garfield though.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Only Rhino was like Ultimate villain with mech suit. Electro only in design for some scenes with all blue electricity.

 

[docdoc]

Poor Marc Webb, he's being considered the reason everything in those movies sucked when it was mostly the writers and the Studio's fault, the Director did have to agree with the designs and all that (envisioned by the writers and done by the designers, it's not as if Webb drew them), but it seems like he simply had a lot of pressure by the studio.

Before Spider-Man, he was a new young Director with a ton of potential, now after those films, he will most likely have a hard time being hired for another major production.

The bad story was not his fault, but the design was definitely his say. Even before Marc Webb was chosen as the new spidey director, he was known for his love for ultimate spider-man. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the human-faced lizard the ultimate version? Lizard would have been much cooler and terrified if they went for the classic look. Marc Webb simply has poor visual version when it comes to villains design, as oppose to Sam Raimi, who could always make a villain look cool on screen. Marc Webb's villains all look quite stupid except for Harry Osborn's first Goblin suit (but you can bet he would have ruined it immediately soon as he bring Goblin to AMSM 3 and turn him into a HULK-like monster).

However, I still think he's a good director, just stay away from comic book movies, it's really not his thing.

 

[Lord]

The bad story was not his fault, but the design was definitely his say. Even before Marc Webb was chosen as the new spidey director, he was known for his love for ultimate spider-man. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the human-faced lizard the ultimate version? Lizard would have been much cooler and terrified if they went for the classic look. Marc Webb simply has poor visual version when it comes to villains design, as oppose to Sam Raimi, who could always make a villain look cool on screen. Marc Webb's villains all look quite stupid except for Harry Osborn's first Goblin suit (but you can bet he would have ruined it immediately soon as he bring Goblin to AMSM 3 and turn him into a HULK-like monster).

However, I still think he's a good director, just stay away from comic book movies, it's really not his thing.

No, it realy isn't...

You can thank Ditko for that.

You just seem to making up excuses to complain about Webb, for starters, Ultimate Spider-Man was for the msot part a great comic, and featured good stories with a Peter Parker in high school, while the original comics only lasted around 26 issues during that part of Peter's life. Aside from Green Goblin, the designs in Ultimate Marvel were usualy pretty good, i mean, Nick Fury is taken directly from that universe, as are various other elements in the movies. The designs Ultimate used for the likes of Rhino, Electro, etc simply work better on the big screen than the 616 ones, and the films had as much to do with Ultimate as they did with 616, in short, they ended up being their oun thing.

How do you know Marc would turn GG into a hulk like creature? Is that just more conjecture in order to complain about Marc Webb? While i didn't like his villains, it realy doesn't seem like all those problems were his fault, seems like the movies were hurt by studio interference and bad scriptwriters.

 

[Daedalus]

I really like Webb`s directing of the TASM movies, much more than I did with Raimi`s. Whatever went wrong in TASM2 is much more due to the studios` crazy wish to build a Cinematic Universe and Avi Arad`s crazy storytelling ideas (let us remember that talking Lizard trying to turn everyone into Lizards was an Avi Arad story from TAS).

I liked Rhino in TASM2. He could never be a serious villain for the movie, so they turned him into a recurring symbol for Spidey`s foes. I was fine with that, and Giamatti was having a blast. I think Electro was the problem in TASM2.

 

[docdoc]

No, it realy isn't...

You can thank Ditko for that.

You just seem to making up excuses to complain about Webb, for starters, Ultimate Spider-Man was for the msot part a great comic, and featured good stories with a Peter Parker in high school, while the original comics only lasted around 26 issues during that part of Peter's life. Aside from Green Goblin, the designs in Ultimate Marvel were usualy pretty good, i mean, Nick Fury is taken directly from that universe, as are various other elements in the movies. The designs Ultimate used for the likes of Rhino, Electro, etc simply work better on the big screen than the 616 ones, and the films had as much to do with Ultimate as they did with 616, in short, they ended up being their oun thing.

How do you know Marc would turn GG into a hulk like creature? Is that just more conjecture in order to complain about Marc Webb? While i didn't like his villains, it realy doesn't seem like all those problems were his fault, seems like the movies were hurt by studio interference and bad scriptwriters.

First of all thanks for the source for that human-faced lizard. But this just further proved Marc Webb's poor visual decision for his villains. That he had to go for the worse choice for most of the time.

I don't enjoy talking trash about Webb, I really don't. I like 500 days of summer and I was very excited when he was cast as the new director. And I don't hate ultimate series, only most of its new designs (to me: twisted design) for villains. I really like Black nick fury, I like Peter Parker to be set in high school.

However, directors are responsible for the success/failure of their films, for whatever aspects they might be. As lack of creative control from Sony Webb was, the designs were his decision, Sony might told him to make spider-man do this and that, and how to set the story, but they surely wouldn't insist on a blue electro/robot rhino/human-faced lizard. And you don't see me blaming him for the bad story etc, he did a good job on the chemistry between Garfield and Stone, they were the very few things I like from the film.

I wouldn't be able to convince you Webb would for sure turn Green Goblin into that giant monster in ultimate comics because we wouldn't know for sure. But, base on his love for those ultimate design, the clues he left that Harry Osborn was transforming into something inhuman......wasn't that obvious?

That being said, as him out of the picture, I just hope we could have our spider-man villains in their looks which we all know and love. Heck, you can even drop the classic look completely for some of them, just, don't hire someone who would always prerfer the worse designs (now I'm being fair, I didn't say "worst"). If you still remember his first choice of spider-man's eyes etc.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Venom in the 616 may have a better origin (which isn't saying much)....

but when it comes to the character himself, Venom is 10 times more badass in Ultimate. Something out of a horror film.

 

[docdoc]

Venom in the 616 may have a better origin (which isn't saying much)....

but when it comes to the character himself, Venom is 10 times more badass in Ultimate. Something out of a horror film.

Yep there are always a bit good and bad for everything. So I just hope for the upcoming villains, we can get the best out of very aspects of them, especially for how they look, which is why this thread exist.

Now with the contribution from Marvel Studio (yes, officially marvel will not participate in any solo spider-man movie. But that is "officially"), I believe we have a good chance on getting most everything we ever want from spider-man movies.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I really like Webb`s directing of the TASM movies

Yeah. I really liked the part at the end in the Rhino battle where a mother acted nothing like a mother, and security officers acted nothing like a security officer. Excellent directing.

I also loved the German doctor straight out of Batman Forever.

I also loved how the tone would change from serious drama to high comic book camp within scenes. Great, amazing directing.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I wouldn't say the problem was that they mixed in elements of ultimate versions of the character, I'd say the issue was more that they half-assed it, and tried to ground them, and make them more realistic

the ultimate villains were more extreme versions of the characters

not saying I like hulk-goblin but, if thats what your going for go all out

 

[W/ Great Power]

I really like Webb`s directing of the TASM movies, much more than I did with Raimi`s. Whatever went wrong in TASM2 is much more due to the studios` crazy wish to build a Cinematic Universe and Avi Arad`s crazy storytelling ideas (let us remember that talking Lizard trying to turn everyone into Lizards was an Avi Arad story from TAS).

I liked Rhino in TASM2. He could never be a serious villain for the movie, so they turned him into a recurring symbol for Spidey`s foes. I was fine with that, and Giamatti was having a blast. I think Electro was the problem in TASM2.

Do you mean that in the context of TASM2 or as a Spidey villain in general?

 

[Tymminator]

I actually would have liked a Mech-Rhino straight from the Ultimate comics and Ultimate Spider-man video game than the goof-ball version we ended up seeing on screen in ASM2.

 

[ironwez20]

No, it realy isn't...

You can thank Ditko for that.

You just seem to making up excuses to complain about Webb, for starters, Ultimate Spider-Man was for the msot part a great comic, and featured good stories with a Peter Parker in high school, while the original comics only lasted around 26 issues during that part of Peter's life. Aside from Green Goblin, the designs in Ultimate Marvel were usualy pretty good, i mean, Nick Fury is taken directly from that universe, as are various other elements in the movies. The designs Ultimate used for the likes of Rhino, Electro, etc simply work better on the big screen than the 616 ones, and the films had as much to do with Ultimate as they did with 616, in short, they ended up being their oun thing.

How do you know Marc would turn GG into a hulk like creature? Is that just more conjecture in order to complain about Marc Webb? While i didn't like his villains, it realy doesn't seem like all those problems were his fault, seems like the movies were hurt by studio interference and bad scriptwriters.

Even the dikito design for lizard is better than what Sony gave us. I mean he looked like a big man with green skin not so much like a lizard and most people didn't want to see a dinosaur in a jacket but that would of been much more terrifying then some nekkid green lizard man with a tail. The concept art for lizard was also better.

 

[docdoc]

I actually would have liked a Mech-Rhino straight from the Ultimate comics and Ultimaye Spider-man video game than the good-ball version we ended up seeing on screen in ASM2.

Yes, which is what I have been addressed several times before.

Even when there's a ultimate version that's not bad, somehow Marc Webb always managed to extract the least desirable elements from across comics and produced something very little of us wanted to see.

There are various suits for rhino and somehow he HAD to go for a transformers-like robot rhino that shoot missile. There are dozens of lizard design and he HAD to go for a human-head. These villains have so many decent appearances from across comics, animation, video games etc, so many of them are so cool and iconic, so many of them can be used to appeal general audiences, show them there are still tones of cool spider-man villains they didn't know about. But every time they create new villains for AMSM franchise, it's just another nightmare.

"What the hell is going on" was the universal expressions among fans when they first released this banner

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I really like Webb`s directing of the TASM movies

I do not. I am glad he's gone. He didn't get anything right.

 

[melvintwj]

Would you guys prefer to see 616 Carnage? Or Ultimate Carnage..? (Heh) The one that Conners grew in a lab LOL

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Ultimate Carnage is not even a person lol. Just a living thing made from Peter blood.

 

[Daedalus]

I do not. I am glad he's gone. He didn't get anything right.

Well, I liked the camerawork, the energetic editing and the performances he got out of his cast, so as a director, I think he got plenty right.

As for TASM`s creative choices, it was out of his hands. Peter`s parents mystery, Lizard`s laughable plan, that was all Avi Arad. Seeding a Sinister Six movie in TASM2, that was the studio trying to build a Cinematic Universe. Had Sony and Arad actually given him a good story to run with, he could have made some great Spidey films.

 

[Human Torch]

I do not. I am glad he's gone. He didn't get anything right.

Too True

Would you guys prefer to see 616 Carnage? Or Ultimate Carnage..? (Heh) The one that Conners grew in a lab LOL

How about no Carnage?


I don't even wanna see Venom for a loooooong time.

 

[melvintwj]

What if they mixed elements of Eddie Brock from both 616 and Ultimate? Eddie was a childhood friend, "three months ago I reunited with my childhood friend Eddie Brock". Brock works in Bugle and gets Peter a job as a freelance photographer. Peter is doing a great job at Bugle and it threatens Eddie's position at Bugle.

 

[Mike Murdock]

While I don't want Carnage at all, I especially don't want Carnage in a Spider-Man movie. My preference is, if Venom were to become a hero, to have Carnage as his villain. That means their origins should mirror each other and the best way to do that is 616 Carnage.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

How about no Carnage?


I don't even wanna see Venom for a loooooong time.