Plot holes/poor storytelling discussion

[Suirou]

Sir I was totally being sarcastic.

People never quite seem to get it here, I've tried that few time and some people took me seriously.

 

[danoyse]

I prefer Half Blood Prince. Even though the movie doesn’t push things far enough, and is a bit like filler, Half Blood Prince feels more like a movie rather than a formula to make a quick buck.

I'm not seeing it until Saturday, but my folks saw it last night and they loved it. It looks like they did a great job with it.

I still think UP had the best story of the summer so far.

 

[Minus Shock]

Half Blood Prince is light years better than Wolverine, Salvation, or Transformers 2 as far as being a movie is concerned. I mean if the fantasy stuff doesn't turn your nobs then sure you probably wont like it, but why bother seeing it if it doesn't? All I can say is Half Blood Prince succeeded in distracting me from whatever plot holes there could be. Not going to say there weren't any at all, but Wolverine, Salvation and ROTF I was able to catch in the first viewing.

For me it wasn't as great as Star Trek, and I may be alone, but Trek just really surprised the hell out of me. I never watched Trek before this summer but that movie just impressed the hell out of me. Totally bass-akwards to what I expected. Star Trek and Half Blood Prince were at the end of my list. Weird how things work out.

 

[Minus Shock]

People never quite seem to get it here, I've tried that few time and some people took me seriously.

I mean ya do whatever you can, say blah a few times, roll your eyes, and apparently it's still a serious comment. Sheesh.

 

[WeaponXProject]

I have seen Terminator Salvation, Transformers 2 and HP Half Blood Prince, and I can safely say that, with its problems, I take Wolverine's storytelling any day of the week, over those...

I don't know, I think with all the things Wolverine had...the main problem was how they used the characters and continued to shove huge plot holes over and over again. Wolverine had more potential than most these other movies: A big budget, good to great cast, a academy award winning film maker, a script penned by one of most sought after writers and a story people have been dying to hear. I would say story was there but some parts were so ridiculous that they were ruined. I think if any other director with an action background would have done this movie a lot better. But some plot holes and the portrayal of Wolverine was just not right.

I think if any movie beat my low expectations it was T:S. That movie was doomed from the get go with McG, its release date, a rewritten/rebuffed script, a PG-13 rating and the focus on the wrong character but still I ended up enjoying it.

I've only liked 4 to 5 movies this whole year so far: TS a little, Watchmen I loved, Drag Me to Hell was fun, Star Trek...i'm not a fan but I enjoyed, and Public Enemies was good but could have been Oscar good. And I haven't seen HP or UP.

I can't wait for the late summer to fall movies: Inglorious Basterds, District 9, The Road and few others. I have been more excited for these besides Watchmen to tell you the truth.

 

[Chris Wallace]

How many threads are going to turn into Transformers-bashing threads?

 

[Fresh Prince]

This movie was fair but could of been great if they done it oh so right. Thanks FOX once again you **** up a could be great movie. Can marvel get the Wolverine rights back or X-Men in general.

 

[Muthu_ne1]

I think a bunch of deatheaters killing Dumbledore and strolling out of Hogwarts is a bigger plothole than anything i saw on Terminator,Wolverine or Transformers

 

[Kanon]

I think a bunch of deatheaters killing Dumbledore and strolling out of Hogwarts is a bigger plothole than anything i saw on Terminator,Wolverine or Transformers

LOL. What I think it's funny is how people complain about the character development in movies, like in Wolverine, focus on the wrong character, etc... and then, in Half Blood Prince, we get like 2 hours of focus on Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Slughorn, and 10 minutes to the end we have to switch back to [blackout]Dumbledore and Snape[/blackout]....

I know it has to be a problem of the book, but all the events and development on Slughorn should have gone to [blackout]Snape[/blackout]... The we could even care about the title of the movie. If you watch the movie, not reading the books, like me, you are up to a ****** resolution when you don't care about the main characters, and the characters that got to you trough the movie are locked away...

Say whatever you want about Wolverine, but it doesn't have a problem as huge as that one. t:

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That's a bit of a spoiler right there.

 

[Kanon]

Not really, unless saying a movie is crappy is a spoiler

C'mon, I'm saying who focuses on, not what happens!

Ok, I'll edit

EDIT: Oh, wait... I see now...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Hey man just don't want you getting in trouble is all.

 

[danoyse]

I agree, there's no need to go turning this into a Harry Potter spoiler thread.

But while we're on the subject...Snape has been a mystery since the very first book/movie. It was really his betrayal at the end with that act that threw everything you thought you knew about that character completely out the window and you ended the book/movie still unsure of what side he was really one.

You don't get his story until the final chapters of the last book. And having read the last book and knowing exactly what was happening there, it was done very well and Alan Rickman completely nailed that scene.

The movie should not have focused on Snape at all - that would have thrown out all of the importance to what Harry finally learns about him in the last book.

And don't say the movie should have to cater to those who hadn't read the books - I had to wait until Book 7 to find out what Snape's deal was, and you should too.

Slughorn was vital to the story because they needed him to get the last memory and confirm what Dumbledore suspected about Horcuxes, which is what they spend most of the 7th book looking for, which leads them into searching for the Deathly Hallows, which is what they need to defeat Voldemort. Trust me, it's not the last important thing Harry is going to find out from a retrieved memory.

HBP was always a bridge story - it was their last regular year at Hogwarts, what wasn't spent dealing with raging hormones was spent setting up what Harry was going to need to know to go on without Dumbledore.

 

[Kanon]

I agree, there's no need to go turning this into a Harry Potter spoiler thread.

But while we're on the subject...Snape has been a mystery since the very first book/movie. It was really his betrayal at the end with that act that threw everything you thought you knew about that character completely out the window and you ended the book/movie still unsure of what side he was really one.

You don't get his story until the final chapters of the last book. And having read the last book and knowing exactly what was happening there, it was done very well and Alan Rickman completely nailed that scene.

The movie should not have focused on Snape at all - that would have thrown out all of the importance to what Harry finally learns about him in the last book.

But the movie [BLACKOUT]was called and the Half Blood Prince[/BLACKOUT], and Snape [BLACKOUT]was the HBP[/BLACKOUT]

I mean, what's the point of [BLACKOUT]calling the story "and the Half Blood Prince"[/BLACKOUT], if it's not [BLACKOUT]about the Half Blood Prince[/BLACKOUT]?

And don't say the movie should have to cater to those who hadn't read the books - I had to wait until Book 7 to find out what Snape's deal was, and you should too.

That's awesome if you are immortal

If I die somewhere between now and Deathly Hallows, every hour I spent watching Harry Potter was at the top of the list of wasted time

Slughorn was vital to the story because they needed him to get the last memory and confirm what Dumbledore suspected about Horcuxes, which is what they spend most of the 7th book looking for, which leads them into searching for the Deathly Hallows, which is what they need to defeat Voldemort. Trust me, it's not the last important thing Harry is going to find out from a retrieved memory.

I agree that Slughorn is vital. What I think (from the storytelling point of view, not from how the director should have adapted the book) is that Slughorn and Snape could have been the same character...

HBP was always a bridge story - it was their last regular year at Hogwarts, what wasn't spent dealing with raging hormones was spent setting up what Harry was going to need to know to go on without Dumbledore.

Bridge stories can be much better than leaving everything for the next movie

 

[danoyse]

But the movie [BLACKOUT]was called and the Half Blood Prince[/BLACKOUT], and Snape [BLACKOUT]was the HBP[/BLACKOUT]

I mean, what's the point of [BLACKOUT]calling the story "and the Half Blood Prince"[/BLACKOUT], if it's not [BLACKOUT]about the Half Blood Prince[/BLACKOUT]?

But you didn't find that out until the end of the book, either. None of the book was ever about Snape. He had just found out that he had been using Snape's old book, that's all.

And it was just a nickname he gave himself - his mother's maiden name was Prince, and his abusive father was a Muggle, so he called himself the "half-blood Prince."

I agree that Slughorn is vital. What I think (from the storytelling point of view, not from how the director should have adapted the book) is that Slughorn and Snape could have been the same character...

No. Just...no.

 

[Kanon]

But you didn't find that out until the end of the book, either. None of the book was ever about Snape. He had just found out that he had been using Snape's old book, that's all.

And it was just a nickname he gave himself - his mother's maiden name was Prince, and his abusive father was a Muggle, so he called himself the "half-blood Prince."

Fair enough, but I'm talking about the story in itself, not if the movie is faithful to the book (so, the movie is faithful, but the source is a not-so-goodk story)

 

[danoyse]

Fair enough, but I'm talking about the story in itself, not if the movie is faithful to the book (so, the movie is faithful, but the source is a not-so-goodk story)

With Rowling, it's all about misdirection, particularly when it comes to Snape. The whole story is seen through Harry's point of view, and Harry has been repeatedly assured that Snape, despite his horridness and even more shady past, was on their side.

Even with Snape's betrayal at the end, you knew there had to be more to it, and there was, but you don't find out what it is until one of the last chapters of the last book. What was explained in that chapter really went beyond whatever suspicions you ever had about what exactly he was doing all of those years.

Once I finished the series, I thought the whole 'half-blood prince' thing was really just a hint into what was later found out about Snape and the role he really did play in that story.

 

[Infinity9999x]

But the movie [blackout]was called and the Half Blood Prince[/blackout], and Snape [blackout]was the HBP[/blackout]

I mean, what's the point of [blackout]calling the story "and the Half Blood Prince"[/blackout], if it's not [blackout]about the Half Blood Prince[/blackout]?

To be honest, the book didn't focus much on

Spoiler

Snape, even though it was called Half Blood Prince

Snape really isn't in the book that much. I'm actually surprised she didn't call it Harry Potter and the Horocruxes or something, since they seem to be the biggest emphasized issue.

 

[BMM]

Having read the books, I agree. Also, focus on the wrong character? The title of the book/movie is Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. Of course, the movie is going to devote a fair amount of time on the title character of the series and, by extension, his friends.

 

[danoyse]

Even using Horcruxes in the title would have been misleading, since they don't even start talking about them until Chapter 23 of the book.

Going through the series again, I thought the title was meant to be misleading - when I first heard it I thought it would turn out to be Hagrid, since it was revealed in an earlier book that he was half-giant. I didn't realize Prince was actually a name instead of a title until it was actually revealed at the end of the book.

It's almost like it was meant to be understood better once you'd gotten through the entire series. Once you've gotten to the end and you know what Snape was really up to all those years, it takes on a whole new meaning.

Snape does manage to turn everything upside down at the end of HBP, the story about him more than we realize at first.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

How many threads are going to turn into Transformers-bashing threads?

I believe a lot of it is jealousy due to the numbers TF2 made.

 

[chaseter]

What the hell is going on in here!

 

[danoyse]

I believe a lot of it is jealousy due to the numbers TF2 made.

No, it's because TF2 was really, really bad.

Anyway, I agree with chaseter...let's get back on topic (myself included).

 

[MeanLilBonnie]

I'll start with one of the things that bothered me: Cyclops glasses. What? he got glasses that can stop his optic blasts? where did they came from? That's pretty WTF, I was expecting him to be discovering his power in the movie, or something like that... But in the movie, it looks like he either somehow got special ruby glasses, or any red glasses can stop his optic blasts...

They were probably Amber Vision glasses. High fives, anyone remember those? ...anyone??

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I believe a lot of it is jealousy due to the numbers TF2 made.

Who cares about the box office? None of us are getting the money are we?

I think it's more to do with Transformers 2 being an absolute pile of crappleberries.

And before anyone says it... I did like the first one. But this? This was just a catastrophe.

And I think it's safe to assume that Scott had the ruby glasses. We don't need to show him getting them or him discovering his powers because it is not called X-Men Origins: Cyclops.