Poll - Last 3 Star Trek films versus Last 3 Star Wars films ?

[InfinityWar]

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[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Interesting poll, I was never really a fan of ST until the last 3 movies which I have really enjoyed.

I have been a huge SW since I was a kid, and really enjoyed TFA and RO. However, while I didn't dislike TLJ, I had huge problems with it.

Tough choice, I will have to think about this one.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I'll always be Trek over Wars. As much as I love both with all my heart, long standing affinity and feelings edge it to Trek and genuinely love the re-boot 3 so far, not saying I dislike the SW 3 films either, but for me the Trek films edge it.

 

[Ipodman]

Star Trek all the way. Hope they make more...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Star Trek-

A solid reboot. The cast overwhelmingly play the classic characters well even if not totally aping their performances which is fine. The film has some issues for myself that always stand out, the bigggest two being that this film squanders Karl Urban's Bones and all the potential that the Kirk, Spock and Bones triumvirate has. In fact I would say this Trek film is really about a duo, Kirk and Spock. Second... I like Chris Pine, and he is fine as Kirk in this... But that is all. Fine. His Kirk does not command the same presence or yes, has the gravitas of Shatner's original recipe Kirk. I just don't see it. Quinto is gangbusters as Spock, but Pine as Kirk is a bit on the flat side. Over all as a re-boot of one of the greatest pillars of fanboy culture it just works and they did make some changes in the mythology. Any other criticism I could level at it would merely be fanboy/girl nit picking. So... Solid, entertaining with some minor quibbles.


Star Trek: Into Darkness-

The follow up film seems to be divisive for a number of reasons which could easily be laid at director J.J.'s feet. The "mystery box" conceit here led to a lot of unnecessary misleading statements, and given Trek fans deep connection to the material that was inevitably lead to some sense of almost... Betrayal? Maybe? Then it tackles the most iconic villain character in all of Trek and replays scenes from the greatest Trek film of all time. Adding to that it's writers essential story here does come off as influenced by the 9/11 "Truther" movement. And once more Bones is criminally underused which is baffling as hell since Urban as Bones is so good. All that said I enjoyed this film even more than the first one. Pine has grown into his Kirk much more, the Spock and Kirk relationship has matured and deepened, Cumberbatch IS really good as "Harrison" and it contains some great action set pieces. Damnit... I even loved the audacity of J.J. in replaying one of the greatest scenes in all of Trek in reverse. Again... Minor issues aside, like Alice Eve's stupid strip scene, this was a really good Trek action drama. Is it as good as WoK? No, I can't say it is but I cannot be as objective as I would like about that as it's a touchstone of my fanboy youth. Over all, a really, really good movie.


Star Trek: Beyond-

This film was the one that I feel truly captured the essence of the original TV show which I don't think when it comes to the films with the original crew or even the TNG cast, had been seen since Voyage Home. This was like a modern TOS episode expanded. It's mostly a visual feast (Star Base Yorktown is so cool) with a couple of moments where I just felt it looked like they chintzed on the VFX. The crew gets split up and we get some nice interactions not least of which is something this film does that the others didn't... Bones is used to his utmost and it pays off so much. Finally it's a triumvirate again. Fast paced, lots of space action, connects to the vibe of the old show (Which I chalk up to Pegg's writing) and again, Pine really grows into his Kirk very well. Maybe it's the extra age on him now but his Kirk is a much more interesting and entertaining character here. Honestly my biggest criticism is that the one on one fights are filmed in a way too muddled style and that the plot of the main villain relied on the general audience to have some pretty deep inside baseball knowledge of Trek. Still, I think it's a really fun entry that had an element to it that screamed "classic" Trek without it relying purely on nostalgia.

 

[wampa1]

What are we voting for? Which are the best or which are the worst?

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Last Jedi is best movie of this group. Largely the new Star Wars films have just been better. Into Darkness dropped the ball in the 3rd act, Beyond was just kind of okay, and the 1st installment of the reboot series had a weak villain.

 

[scarlet-witch]

While I like all six films, Star Wars is the winner for me.

 

[STARMAN]

I love Star Trek 2009, liked the first two acts of Into Darkness but was bored by Beyond. None of the new Star Wars movies have thrilled me. So I'm taking Star Trek.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Voted Star Trek in the end, which pains me as a lifelong SW fan. Really though it can down to the fact that I didn't have the big problems I had with TLJ with any of the ST movies.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Star Trek easily for me.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Star Wars The Force Awakens-

You could have knocked me over with a feather when Disney purchased Lucasfilm and we got news of a new trilogy and stand alone Star Wars films. J.J. being the one to do it was also a surprise. Then more news: New characters, the old crew returning, Kasdan brought on to script. The anticipation and hype levels were off the charts and I can say with no reservations on the overall product delivered that it didn't succeed. We get caught up with the world en media res not too unlike ANH. Bringing that up let's take on the elephant in the room, that somewhat accurately the film contains so many similarities to ANH. While I get the issue this brings up for many fans I am fine with it. The prequel trilogy felt so un-Star Wars in so many ways that I get hedging their bets. Also... It isn't a bad retread with some curves thrown in of elements in ANH. Most important of all the film does the job of honoring the old characters like Han, Chewie and Leia while never ignoring that the new characters are the focus, and the new characters for the most part really pop and endear themselves to you. Rey, Finn, BB-8 and Kylo all work great. Only Poe kinda feels less than he could be butfor myself I think it's a combo of frankly, not drinking the Kool Aid about how absolutely fantastic Issacs is n everything he does. For me... He's an okay actor but I just don't get the praise. That and it's obvious when you know that he was supposed to appear early and die that he's a bit shoe horned into that last third of the movie. I also think that while like ANH they throw us into the mix without giving us an info dump of the precise nature of our setting (the political state of the Galaxy, how the Republic is doing, how the First Order Rose etc., etc.) confident we will be able to suss out exactly what we need to know... Eh, they could have done a better job at getting that important information across. Also, yes, Phasma is wasted. But those are as close to outright complaints that I have. I am fine with Rey's power and competence, I am fine with the First Order being a continuation of the Empire and I thought it was brilliant to keep Luke offstage until literally the last scene. A great start to a new chapter in the Star Wars world in my view and most f all it captured the feel of the old films while moving the characters and saga forward.

Rogue One: A Star Wars Story-

This film was the first of the stand alone, non-saga films, though as a "prequel" story, let's be honest, they hedged their bets again. I found it odd many pilloried TFA for its use of nostalgia but supposedly Rogue One gave us someth Ng totally new. New? Yes. Separate from nostalgia? Uh... No. And for me that was fine. This was a story I had always wanted to see in live action and iron clad established as canon. What appealed the most was that it was a serious,nuts and bolts "men on a mission " Star Wars military story. A true war movie separate from the saga with its deep connection to mysticism and penchant for hero's journey allegory. No, here was a look at things we mostly just assumed about the Star Wars universe but turned some things on their head. It's a mostly unflinching look at how a group engaged in a struggle against oppression and tyranny would be forced into a crap ton of moral gray areas. It's also a great looking film. I dare say it's even better looking and shot than TFA, and TFA is a visual feast. I a man not on board with the criticism of the characters or performances that I often see and hear about online. The characters act as I think these types would. Sorry it's not filled with quips. Besides the humorous heavy lifting is accomplished masterfully by Alan Tudyk's droll and engaging reprogrammed Imperial droid. I know some think it has a slow start or is too unfocused in the early goings but that never occurred to me at all. It's an ensemble and you have to spend some time collecting your characters. I don't think it's any more unfocused than The Magnificent Seven or The Dirty Dozen in that regard. Finally, it gives us two amazing sequences, the Scariff battle, showing a simultaneous orbital and planet side battle that feels like you are there fighting alongside the Rebellion but of course it also delivers a scene where we get a sense again, of how badass and scary Darth Vader should be. I have little if any quibbles about the film. A more than solid and engaging military Sci Fi/Fantasy film in one of my most beloved franchises and great proof of concept that you can have a Star Wars film whose connection to the OT characters is perfunctory at best.


Star Wars The Last Jedi-

I will be brief here... I do not for the life of me totally comprehend the online backlash this film engendered. I get to a degree how it could be disappointing to some given how some new and old characters are used in the film... But for the most part I just hear the usual fanboy/girl screeching that's almost white noise at this part when it comes to the world of online fans. Nothing pointed out that I even think IS a legitimate criticism of the film makes changes my mind on this. It's a fantastic Star Wars film and it gave me an epic send off for a character that has meant so much to me for close to four decades of my life. I cannot wait to see where the story of Rey, Poe and Finn go in Episode IX.



SO... Where does that leave me as a huge fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars re: OP's question? Having to balance it all out... While I still really liked the rebooted Trek films, I have to give the definite edge to the new Star Wars films all around but it's not a curb stomp by any means. More importantly as a fan nothing they have done with these new films give me trepidation for future installments on the big screen. The SOLO trailer honestly raises my hype more and more each time I see it, and the news that we are going to get a Tarantino helmed Trek film is mouth watering in its potential, especially with the reboot cast.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Star Trek easily. New Star Wars movies are not for me.

 

[InfinityWar]

Poll is close. I'm surprised since there are more die hard SW fans rather than ST.

TFA was good. Rogue One Mediocre. TLJ horrible.

ST 2009 was great. STID was good. STB was my favorite 2016 film.

Star Trek all the way, and this comes from a SW fan.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ranking the movies I'd go:

TFA
TLJ
Star Trek
Star Trek Beyond
Star Trek Into Darkness
Rogue One

TFA and TLJ are in my top 50 favorite films. Star Trek would probably get close to that. So Star Wars.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I liked all six, but the three Star Trek films and The Force Awakens are all pretty much in the same ballpark. I do think Beyond is the best of that group, but the difference maker is that I think Rogue One and TLJ are clearly a step above. So my vote is for Star Wars. The highs are simply higher.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

I voted with the assumption that we are choosing our favourite?

Went with Star Wars, mainly because I didn’t like all of the changes that JJ and his team made to Star Trek. And because I enjoyed the Star Wars movies more.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Rogue One was the slam dunk behind my vote. Best Star Wars movie to date.

 

[Brother Jack]

Star Trek Into Darkness was not good. The rock bottom of Abrams' derivative, mystery box chicanery.

 

[The Batman]

Star Trek 09' is a better movie than any other on this list, so ST takes it for me.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Star Trek Into Darkness was not good. The rock bottom of Abrams' derivative, mystery box chicanery.

It's impact is 'lost' as a 'stand-a-lone' reveal as one doesn't have any previous history between the key characters (as there was previously in the original series to ST II) so Cumberbatch's reveal has very little 'OMG' to it.

I still love the film but that key moment is hollow slightly because of the lack of connection compared to the first time, it only works if you have the knowledge of ST II, for a first time viewer of Star Trek universe, it would be...'and so, and why is that so special'.

 

[Brother Jack]

It's impact is 'lost' as a 'stand-a-lone' reveal as one doesn't have any previous history between the key characters (as there was previously in the original series to ST II) so Cumberbatch's reveal has very little 'OMG' to it.

I still love the film but that key moment is hollow slightly because of the lack of connection compared to the first time, it only works if you have the knowledge of ST II, for a first time viewer of Star Trek universe, it would be...'and so, and why is that so special'.

It's not just Cumberbatch. It apes Spock's death with Kirk and then immediately undoes it in an incredibly contrived way. And not only does it take from Wrath of Khan, it repeats the story arc of Abrams's first movie (Kirk becoming captain of the Enterprise and forming a friendship with Spock). The whole film is just an exercise in lazy storytelling to the point of plagiarism.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I find myself concurring with the critiscms towards Into Darkness. JJ's heart didn't seem to be in it and there was a definite laziness to the whole affair...

 

[Guts]

Out of the three Trek films I thought Beyond had the best villain.

 

[psylockolussus]

Star Trek the new trilogy.