HarveyHarris
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2.Begins
3.The Batman
4.Returns
5.TDKR
Top 3 are interchangeable
2.Begins
3.The Batman
4.Returns
5.TDKR
Top 3 are interchangeable
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I'm on the exactly the same page. Don't get me wrong, I like what the film was trying to do, but I'm not sure the arc completely tracks, which would be a rather large flaw for me. I have to see it again though before I can be sure about that.
But that was my impression too. Like I'm not sure I ever got that 'moment' of realization for him. The thug saying "I'm vengeance" was good, but it's a pretty small beat. Him allowing himself to be vulnerable around Alfred and talking about the fear he felt about losing someone he cares about was nice...but I'm also not exactly sure how that all connects. I mean I guess it kind of works in a "Grinch's heart grew three sizes that day" sorta way? I'm not sure.
Was this supposed to be a movie about Bruce reckoning with the sins of his father? Or a movie about him learning the difference between vengeance and justice? If it was both, I'm not sure I quite see how those things intersected. It's possible there are layers here that went over my head on first viewing, I want to give the movie as much credit as possible because it's clear that so much talent and effort went into it. But I'm kind of sitting here unsure about some fundamentals that are preventing me from fully grasping what this movie is trying to do with the character.
I should have said "some of the shots in TDK were breathtaking". I saw it in a true IMAX theater (from about the 4th row center seat) and there were shots that made my heart feel like I was taking a really fast, glass elevator ride down to the first floor. I found myself loving the true IMAX shots and wanting more. It left an indelible impression on me, but, overall, sure, I've seen better cinematography.Greig Fraser's work on the Batman basically ****s on Pfister's work on The Dark Knight trilogy. After this and Dune, the guy is fast approaching Roger Deakins' level of visual excellence.
No need to clarify. The Nolan films did have great cinematography and the use of IMAX cameras in dramatic films was groundbreaking and incredibly immersive.I should have said "some of the shots in TDK were breathtaking". I saw it in a true IMAX theater (from about the 4th row center seat) and there were shots that made my heart feel like I was taking a really fast, glass elevator ride down to the first floor. I found myself loving the true IMAX shots and wanting more. It left an indelible impression on me, but, overall, sure, I've seen better cinematography.
No need to clarify. The Nolan films did have great cinematography and the use of IMAX cameras in dramatic films was groundbreaking and incredibly immersive.
I also saw The Dark Knight in a true IMAX theatre and the swooping zipline shot during the opening bank heist is burned into my memory as one of my greatest cinema going memories, probably something like how moviegoers felt in 1977 when that Star Destroyer rumbled into the frame.
However, this is on another level for me. Sure, Reeves and Fraser don't do anything as new or groundbreaking as using IMAX cameras, but the lighting and colours are so incredibly moody and immersive that it legitimately feels like a graphic novel brought to life.
I wouldn't go that far, but I do think it's arguable the lighting in this movie matches Pfister on a pure craftsmanship level. In those days Pfister was the best DP behind Deakins. At the very least Fraser is fast approaching that ranking. Rewatching the trilogy last week, the cinematography is still astounding and has one of those timeless qualities to it with it's more naturalism than Fraser's more gritty noir look, but both work pretty great for different interpretations and reasons.
EDIT: I wrote this before I saw your post above @DKDetective
This is way too hard. List subject to change, since I've only seen "The Batman" once.
1.) Batman Begins
2.) The Batman
3.) The Dark Knight
4.) Batman v Superman
5.) Batman 89
I feel like in my future rankings Batman Begins and The Batman will continue fighting for that #2 spot haha.OK. This might change a bit after repeat viewings once the Blu Ray is released, but for now, this is my rankings.
1) The Dark Knight
2) The Batman
3) Batman Begins
4) The Dark Knight Rises
5) Batman 1989
I'm not sure if BB and TB will flip back and forth for awhile, but right now, TB is sitting at number two behind the GOAT.
Batman Begins made me a Batman fan. He was always just a character in the background for me— even as a little boy running home to watch Superfriends I never paid attention to Batman— which is why I didn’t bother watching the Batman animated show when it was out (I’m just now starting to watch it now so better late…)Glad to see all the love for BB. I loved Keaton's BM, but, while Nolan's first stab wasn't perfect, I was enthralled with the character arc.
The Dark Knight was such a zeitgeist tapping phenomenon, and it's my favourite Bat film, but damn, I wore out that Batman Begins DVD.![]()
I should have said "some of the shots in TDK were breathtaking". I saw it in a true IMAX theater (from about the 4th row center seat) and there were shots that made my heart feel like I was taking a really fast, glass elevator ride down to the first floor. I found myself loving the true IMAX shots and wanting more. It left an indelible impression on me, but, overall, sure, I've seen better cinematography.
Far more people like Rises than dislike it. Far more.1) The Dark Knight - When you take away Ledger's dynamite performance as the Joker, you get an incredible story about 3 men who are doing their best to save Gotham, while facing pushback from the criminal underworld in a crime noir conflict that's nothig more than riveting. The parallels between Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent is incredible, and I can never forget the line: "You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time! Well, you were wrong."
2) The Batman - Bruce Wayne's monologues added a lot to this movie. It gave us a perspective of a Batman that's not necessarily the experienced detective, but rather a rookie who's learning the ways as he's obsessing over saving Gotham. Batman as a mythological figure is explored to such great lengths in here, and of course, I get the crime noir Batman that I've always wanted since TDK.
3) Batman Begins - The movie that gave people hope that Batman could actually be done right. Still an incredible movie in 2022, and I'll likely keep waffling back and forth between this and the Batman. Christian Bale is absolutely dynamite as Bruce Wayne and Batman. The flashback manuevering gives us context for why Bruce Wayne exists the way that he does in Nolan's world. A fantastic beginning for the Nolan films
4) Mask of the Phantasm - This might be cheating but holy moly, you are doing yourself a disservice if you've not watched this. This is an incredible film on BTAS's Bruce Wayne and what compelled him to be Batman. The core of this movie is the emotional conflict we see in Bruce Wayne, where he has a chance at a happy life, but is compelled to maintain his promise to his parents to be Batman. This movie is surprisingly full of emotional character moments. I'd say more, but I want you to be genuinely surprised like I was when I saw the movie during the first wave of the pandemic.
5) The Dark Knight Rises - I'm gonna get flack for putting this here as my top 5, but I truly think it's an underrated film. It doesn't quite reach the highs of BB and TDK, but the core of why this film works for me is deconstructing Bruce Wayne's addiction to the Batman persona, and how he's become purposeless after sacrificing Batman in order for the Dent Act to be effective. I have a soft spot for stories focused on self-destructive patterns and how the main character overcomes them. Tom Hardy as Bane is nothing short of incredible (Nolan really nailed the villain castings). The last 20 minutes just hits me in the feels.