The Dark Knight Post Pictures Of Things You Really Want To See In 'The Dark Knight'

[Anguissette1979]

Best. Comic frame. Ever.

 

[Agentsands77]

Why are people putting all the Two-Face scarring pictures in here? We know that doesn't take place in THE DARK KNIGHT, that takes place in the third installment of this trilogy.

 

[StorminNorman]

Why are people putting all the Two-Face scarring pictures in here? We know that doesn't take place in THE DARK KNIGHT, that takes place in the third installment of this trilogy.

I want the scarring of Harvey Dent to be the final scene of TDK.

 

[Agentsands77]

I want the scarring of Harvey Dent to be the final scene of TDK.

David Goyer already said the disintigration and scarring of Harvey Dent is in the third film. So that's that.

 

[CConn]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was moved to the end of the second film, though. Not saying it'll definitely happen, but it's a rather small detail spoken of over a year before BB2 and 3 will even be made, and things change all the way up to, and including, the starting of filming with most mvoies.

 

[Agentsands77]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was moved to the end of the second film, though. Not saying it'll definitely happen, but it's a rather small detail spoken of over a year before BB2 and 3 will even be made, and things change all the way up to, and including, the starting of filming with most mvoies.

There's no way it will be at the end of the second film, and if it is done that way, it's an epic mistake.

This film has too much going on - we have the Penguin and it's largely the Joker's introduction. This is the Joker's film, first and foremost, and it's his moment to shine. Introducing Harvey Dent and then closely following his disintigration in the same film is way too much for this film to handle, and would steal all the thunder from the Joker's introduction.

It makes much more sense to have it as we understand it. This film is the Joker's film, first and foremost (as it should be). Harvey Dent is introduced, but we largely see his downfall in part III, when all the focus in the world can be devoted to it.

 

[CConn]

If you were Jonathan Nolan, or one of the producers of the film, that'd shut me up immediately. However, none of us unimportant people know enough to say that about the film. And personally I'd say, from the reports we've gotten on it so far, it doesn't seem like "the Joker's film" at all. It's been reported we The main plot of the movie is said to be a Gotham gang war, and it's been said we won't even see the Joker for most of the film.

 

[Agentsands77]

If you were Jonathan Nolan, or one of the producers of the film, that'd shut me up immediately. However, none of us unimportant people know enough to say that about the film.

We have Goyer's comments, and I find that more trustworthy than any token conjecture that fanboys might come up with. Until I have reason to believe otherwise (and none has been presented), I think that's the only thing we have to go on.

If this film *does* end up scarring Harvey Dent at the end of the film, I will be outraged. Absolutely outraged. I want a film with Harvey Dent as a good-guy setting up his tragic fall in another film. Harvey Dent/Two-Face deserves an entire film devoted to his downfall, rather than having his introduction and scarring crammed into one film.

It's been reported we The main plot of the movie is said to be a Gotham gang war,

Where has that been reported, may I ask?

and it's been said we won't even see the Joker for most of the film.

It's been reported that the Joker is given a backstory, and finally appears in full appearance at the mid-section of the film. It's also been reported again and again he's the central villain of the film.

 

[CConn]

We have Goyer's comments, and I find that more trustworthy than any token conjecture that fanboys might come up with. Until I have reason to believe otherwise (and none has been presented), I think that's the only thing we have to go on.

Yeah, it is. And I'm not saying I don't believe it. Simply that things do often change in the production of a film, and this could too.

If this film *does* end up scarring Harvey Dent at the end of the film, I will be outraged. Absolutely outraged. I want a film with Harvey Dent as a good-guy setting up his tragic fall in another film. Harvey Dent/Two-Face deserves an entire film devoted to his downfall, rather than having his introduction and scarring crammed into one film.

I...really don't care (about when Harvey's scarred, not your opinion necessarily).

Where has that been reported, may I ask?

Maybe "gang war" isn't the correct term. Rather, Batman will be dealing with crime from several...angles. BOF's said it in several of their reports. The Penguin will be an arms dealer, Black Mask will be an enemy of Bruce Wayne, Maroni will be in there, etc.

It's been reported that the Joker is given a backstory, and finally appears in full appearance at the mid-section of the film. It's also been reported again and again he's the central villain of the film.

But yet if Harvey's scarred at the end, it takes all the centered-ness away from him, right?

 

[MagicPrime]

Even if they dont have Harvey getting burned, i hope they make reference to his mental situation - already compulsed to outbursts? already having a coin?

 

[Agentsands77]

Maybe "gang war" isn't the correct term. Rather, Batman will be dealing with crime from several...angles. BOF's said it in several of their reports. The Penguin will be an arms dealer, Black Mask will be an enemy of Bruce Wayne, Maroni will be in there, etc.

The most recent reports on BOF have said with pretty big certainty that the two main villains of the film are Oswald Cobblepot and The Joker.

The Black Mask/Maroni rumors were always reported to be taken with a grain of salt, and those rumors also walked hand-in-hand with the report that the Penguin's role was to be a cameo, which has now been established to be false.

I *do*, however, believe that the fall of the mob in Gotham will play a major role in this film and the third film, but I do think all things point to the Joker still getting the focus in this film (and he should - he's *THE JOKER* for crying out loud!).

But yet if Harvey's scarred at the end, it takes all the centered-ness away from him, right?

It does, because it's not just enough to have his scarring. We have to *really* establish his character beforehand, delving into his psychology. First, we have to start out really liking the guy as a good guy so that his downfall means a lot. Then we have to slowly watch his disintigration, which takes up a good deal of time to slowly and subtly build that up.

That's a *lot* to fit in with a film that also introduces the Joker as well as the Penguin, and no doubt has plenty of other things going on (remember, we need to give Batman a central story arc here, too). The Dent story *is* either going to steal the thunder of the film away from a lot of what else is going on, or it's going to be shortchanged because it has to share so much screentime with everything else.

The Two-Face/Dent plot shouldn't feel tacked on, either. The Harvey Dent thing needs to be a central storyline, as it was in THE LONG HALLOWEEN. It's natural place is in the third film.

 

[Agentsands77]

Even if they dont have Harvey getting burned, i hope they make reference to his mental situation - already compulsed to outbursts? already having a coin?

I do want foreshadowing of his inner demons in THE DARK KNIGHT, but holding off on the real downward spiral and Two-Face story for the third installment.

 

[The Shape]

There's no way it will be at the end of the second film, and if it is done that way, it's an epic mistake.

This film has too much going on - we have the Penguin and it's largely the Joker's introduction. This is the Joker's film, first and foremost, and it's his moment to shine. Introducing Harvey Dent and then closely following his disintigration in the same film is way too much for this film to handle, and would steal all the thunder from the Joker's introduction.

It makes much more sense to have it as we understand it. This film is the Joker's film, first and foremost (as it should be). Harvey Dent is introduced, but we largely see his downfall in part III, when all the focus in the world can be devoted to it.

Actually, this is the Batman's film, first...and ALWAYS. All of the villains come second to him. Nolan knows this, and the mistake that was made in 89 will not be made again.

 

[StorminNorman]

David Goyer already said the disintigration and scarring of Harvey Dent is in the third film. So that's that.

That was a year ago. Things have changed.

 

[Agentsands77]

Actually, this is the Batman's film, first...and ALWAYS. All of the villains come second to him. Nolan knows this, and the mistake that was made in 89 will not be made again.

I know that. Batman's story arc *should* be central. Sorry if I was at all misleading. But I do mean that the grand problem Batman has to deal with should be the Joker, and the Joker should be the main foe. He shouldn't be just some background character with very little development like Scarecrow was - he needs a great deal more development and impact.

That was a year ago. Things have changed.

And where did you come by that info, Mr. Norman? I see no indication that that outline as it was laid out has at all changed.

 

[CConn]

Are you Kane, Agentsands77?

 

[StorminNorman]

If this film *does* end up scarring Harvey Dent at the end of the film, I will be outraged. Absolutely outraged. I want a film with Harvey Dent as a good-guy setting up his tragic fall in another film. Harvey Dent/Two-Face deserves an entire film devoted to his downfall, rather than having his introduction and scarring crammed into one film.

LOL, OH NOES! Agent will be outraged if Harvey Dent is scarred in TDK!

Were you mad that the Joker was alluded to in "Ra's Al Ghuls" film? It would be more or less the same for Two Face. Picture this, you build up Harvey Dent as a great, All American guy - in many ways he is the true hero, the true role model of Gotham, not some vigilante in a mask. He helps Batman bring down the Joker and he is the one that will put him behind bars, however in the last scene of the film, at the trial Harvey is scarred with Acid. Now you could either end the film with Harvey on the floor, writhing in pain with Bruce Wayne saying something to the extent that "I will never forget the sound of his screams". - IMO, that is the pefect ending.

 

[Agentsands77]

Are you Kane, Agentsands77?

Who's Kane?

LOL, OH NOES! Agent will be outraged if Harvey Dent is scarred in TDK!

No need to get nasty.

Were you mad that the Joker was alluded to in "Ra's Al Ghuls" film?

Of course not. And I'd love a foreshadowing of Two-Face at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT. But scarring is much more than an "allusion" and requires a ton more set-up in terms of character development. Harvey Dent needs an entire story arc following his initial good-guy image and descent into madness long before he ever gets scarred. Shortchanging that arc for Harvey Dent is, IMO, inexcusable.

It would be more or less the same for Two Face. Picture this, you build up Harvey Dent as a great, All American guy - in many ways he is the true hero, the true role model of Gotham, not some vigilante in a mask. He helps Batman bring down the Joker and he is the one that will put him behind bars, however in the last scene of the film, at the trial Harvey is scarred with Acid. Now you could either end the film with Harvey on the floor, writhing in pain with Bruce Wayne saying something to the extent that "I will never forget the sound of his screams". - IMO, that is the pefect ending.

Interesting, but that shortchanges so much of what makes the Two-Face origin great. We need to follow Dent's slow progression into madness, IMO, just like the *excellent* Two-Face origin story THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER (and to a lesser extent, THE LONG HALLOWEEN) allowed us to do.

 

[The Shape]

LOL, OH NOES! Agent will be outraged if Harvey Dent is scarred in TDK!

Were you mad that the Joker was alluded to in "Ra's Al Ghuls" film? It would be more or less the same for Two Face. Picture this, you build up Harvey Dent as a great, All American guy - in many ways he is the true hero, the true role model of Gotham, not some vigilante in a mask. He helps Batman bring down the Joker and he is the one that will put him behind bars, however in the last scene of the film, at the trial Harvey is scarred with Acid. Now you could either end the film with Harvey on the floor, writhing in pain with Bruce Wayne saying something to the extent that "I will never forget the sound of his screams". - IMO, that is the pefect ending.

Meh...I really disagree with you here, Norm.

Alluding to the Joker at the end of Begins was fine. But that scene you just described is more like a cliffhanger, which would be really lame and unnecessary. Each of these films should stand on their own, with no cliffhangers.

 

[CConn]

Who's Kane?

Some dude that got banned who I disagreed with nearly in the same way I disagree with you. Not saying I think you're going to be banned or anything, but it'd explain plenty.

In any case, I didn't reply to your last post as I felt we were starting to around in circles. In short, you think it would be a very bad move to have Dent scarred at the end of TDK. That's fine. I, y'know, can't really disagree with it. And yeah, Goyer said it would happen in BB3. All I'm saying, and all I've said is that a lot of things are changed in the course of making a film, and I can't completely rule out that it wouldn't be moved. If you don't believe that to be a possibility at all, there's really little I could or would say to convince you otherwise.

 

[Spidey_Zombie]

I wanna see:

 

[Agentsands77]

Some dude that got banned who I disagreed with nearly in the same way I disagree with you. Not saying I think you're going to be banned or anything, but it'd explain plenty.

Well, I ain't him.

All I'm saying, and all I've said is that a lot of things are changed in the course of making a film, and I can't completely rule out that it wouldn't be moved. If you don't believe that to be a possibility at all, there's really little I could or would say to convince you otherwise.

I understand that. Is it possible that as of now, Nolan and co. is intending to have Dent scarred at the end of BB2? I suppose - but considering we've been given no indication that will be the case (in fact, what indications we've been given lean the exact opposite way), I don't see why anybody would really start to think that. I believe in sticking with what we've been told until things change.

Also going against it is the fact that I don't tend to think Nolan and crew would have better sense than to make such a huge error in judgement (that's what I would see it as), especially after they've professed such love for source material like THE LONG HALLOWEEN.

 

[not_a_victim]

I dont have a picture of it, but I would like to see Bats come into the Batcave after a long, bloody night of fighting badguys. He flops down into that big chair he has infront of his computer display. His head hangs down to his chest. He slowly pulls his cowl off, and begins to cry uncontrollably. A total snot-fountain breakdown. He reaches out blindly and touches a picture of his mother and father.
Suddenly, some sort of alarm sounds. He looks up to the computer screen and sees some kind of distress call somewhere. He shuts the crying off like a switch, pulls the cowl back on, runs to the Batmobile, and takes off to fight whatever the hell set the alarm off.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Not dead, mind you' but really hurt...

 

[tinister]

Hehe. Would never happen - and may not even work in a movie, but would still be cool...