The Dark Knight Post Pictures Of Things You Really Want To See In 'The Dark Knight'

[The-Dark-Knight]

No! It should say "Click" onthe flag, and then Joker can shout "Damn, out of bullets!"

lol, yeah that would be good.

 

[E-Mack]

Robin has, from the begining, been a compromise of the Batman story in an attempt to get younger and younger readers interested in Batman. A lot of fans, of which I am one, think his inclusion was a major mistake forced on the writers by the head honchos at DC. Same goes for Batgirl.

I'd say B&R suffered from that same mentality, don't you think? Yet 8 years later, we were able to dig ourselves out of that hole...

 

[Saint]

Robin has, from the begining, been a compromise of the Batman story in an attempt to get younger and younger readers interested in Batman. A lot of fans, of which I am one, think his inclusion was a major mistake forced on the writers by the head honchos at DC. Same goes for Batgirl.

And Batman was nothing more than the higher-ups wanting to capitalize on the popularity of Superman with a similar property.

Here's a secret hint about media: everything exists only to make money. Begins is not Begins because of WB's desire to make great movies, but because of their desire to swim in great pools of dollars.

That being the case, the only conclusion the audience can make is to ignore the reason for the creation, and instead focus on the value of the character following that. While Robin through the forties, fifties, and sixties was not the type of character you'd expect to find in Batman today, he has evolved despite his origins in to a valuable asset--in the same way, Batman survived that era and he too has evolved. It doesn't matter why they were created or what they were before, only what you do with them now.

 

[XCharlieX]

There is a signficant difference between little things and Robin. Robin is not a little thing

Hes insignificant in my book. I find him a rehash of batman.

 

[E-Mack]

Well stop the presses. I guess we just have to shift everything around according to your view of relevance.

 

[CConn]

Robin has, from the begining, been a compromise of the Batman story in an attempt to get younger and younger readers interested in Batman. A lot of fans, of which I am one, think his inclusion was a major mistake forced on the writers by the head honchos at DC. Same goes for Batgirl.

While E-Mack raised the best point known to man, I'll also add something else to the, well, tearing down, of your opinion.

Do you know why Batman was created? Do you know why Bob Kane decided to pattent the name and go find Bill Finger to create a legend? Do you think he just had a dream to create this superhero, so he ran out and did it? Hardly. After Superman came onto the scene (and was, obviously, a smash success), the editors of DC Comics were scrambling to get more superheroes in their books. To cash in on this new "fad" started by Superman. It was, simply put, an attempt to make money and draw readers. Just like Batgirl was an attempt to make money. Just like Robin was an attempt to draw readers. So, if you don't fault Batman for being spawned as a simple marketing device, why do you blame Robin? Why do you blame Batgirl?

 

[XCharlieX]

Well stop the presses. I guess we just have to shift everything around according to your view of relevance.

Perhaps.. because its just a projection of what this sagas life is all about. You lose the edge and get grey and whatever, the saga will get less and less cool again.

 

[CConn]

Perhaps.. because its just a projection of what this sagas life is all about. You lose the edge and get grey and whatever, the saga will get less and less cool again.

That's another thing that annoys me to no end. So many Batman fans are so obsessed with how cool Batman is. That's all they care about, that Batman's cool. If anything even remotely hinted that Batman is a comic book character, he's no longer cool, and must instead be a creation of Schumacher, Siegfried and Roy.

IMHO, **** that. I don't like Batman because I precieve him to be some ultra-hip badass, I don't read his comic books, watch his movies, because of that, I do it because I like the character, the finer points, everything, and because the comics and movies are actually quite good, even great. And that's what should be important. That they're good. These movies. Whether or not they happen to fall into your (or hell, my own) personal perception of what's cool, is really utterly worthless. IMO.

 

[The Batman]

That's another thing that annoys me to no end. So many Batman fans are so obsessed with how cool Batman is. That's all they care about, that Batman's cool. If anything even remotely hinted that Batman is a comic book character, he's no longer cool, and must instead be a creation of Schumacher, Siegfried and Roy.

IMHO, **** that. I don't like Batman because I precieve him to be some ultra-hip badass, I don't read his comic books, watch his movies, because of that, I do it because I like the character, the finer points, everything, and because the comics and movies are actually quite good, even great. And that's what should be important. That they're good. These movies. Whether or not they happen to fall into your (or hell, my own) personal perception of what's cool, is really utterly worthless. IMO.

Dude, i know.

There are so few here who care about Batman's history, his character, what makes him who he is. Some here just read a jim lee book and think they know what batman's about. And i use to feel bad about saying these things, but the inherant stupidity of these people really pushes the limit. All some care about is making him more like the punisher or jack bauer, cookie cutter badasses that internet geeks praise frequently.

 

[fabman]

agree, ccon.

 

[XCharlieX]

That's another thing that annoys me to no end. So many Batman fans are so obsessed with how cool Batman is. That's all they care about, that Batman's cool. If anything even remotely hinted that Batman is a comic book character, he's no longer cool, and must instead be a creation of Schumacher, Siegfried and Roy.

IMHO, **** that.

Well, same to your ideas sir. Id rather a cool batman than a tacky one Its a no brainer.

So, wtf is the point of a story of this nature if it doesnt retain its coolness? You tell me. Oh i forgot.. maintaining its source material...even if its tacky. Such a pointless endeavor. Begins has the comics owned to many even while many here are busy going against the great reasoning of the film and being miserable, clueless, wondering exactly why things were the way they were lol. Ponder on gentlemen

 

[CConn]

Dude, i know.

There are so few here who care about Batman's history, his character, what makes him who he is. Some here just read a jim lee book and think they know what batman's about. And i use to feel bad about saying these things, but the inherant stupidity of these people really pushes the limit. All some care about is making him more like the punisher or jack bauer, cookie cutter badasses that internet geeks praise frequently.

And y'know, I used to be, a bit like them. While I didn't, and still don't give a damn about the whole "badass" thing, I was never a fan of Robin, I liked Batman alone, and soforth. But then I actually, y'know, found out about Robin, read his comics, found out who he was, and what he was about, and realized what a solid character he is. I wish more people would do that, instead just settling on their initial impression of Batman. It's shame, really.

Well, same to your ideas sir. Id rather a cool batman than a tacky one Its a no brainer.

So if it's not cool, it's tacky? If it's not Batman Begins, it's Batman & Robin? If you can't see the foolishness in such absolute thinking, I won't waste my time in pointing it out to you.

And I'm not even saying it's going to be (or that I want it to be) tacky. I'm saying just because something doesn't fit your personal, apparently extremely limited, definition of "cool" doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile.

So, wtf is the point of a story of this nature if it doesnt retain its coolness? You tell me.

What makes all characters and stories (even the "tacky" ones like Spider-Man or Fantastic Four) worthwhile? Their characterization, their personal history, the fantastic stories that have been written about them, and many more things. Robin is a part of Batman's personal history, Robin is featured in many of the fantastic stories that've been written about Batman, and he will continue to be for an extremely long time. But I guess those stories mean nothing, I guess the history that has made Batman as popular as he is today means nothing if he isn't as cool as you want him to.

Oh i forgot.. maintaining its source material...even if its tacky. Such a pointless endeavor. Begins has the comics owned even lol

Then you're not a Batman fan. You're a Christopher Nolan fan.

 

[Saint]

Dude, i know.

There are so few here who care about Batman's history, his character, what makes him who he is. Some here just read a jim lee book and think they know what batman's about. And i use to feel bad about saying these things, but the inherant stupidity of these people really pushes the limit. All some care about is making him more like the punisher or jack bauer, cookie cutter badasses that internet geeks praise frequently.

Damn straight.

 

[Agentsands77]

Well, I do think fans often tend to glorify the source material a little too much. Let's all face it - the Batman comics have varied in quality, depending on creators and characters. Just because it is in the source material doesn't by default make it worth adapting or utilizing. Crappy characters have appeared in the series and mistakes have been made.

But that doesn't give a director license to do whatever the hell he wants. He does have to remain true to the spirit and basic points of the material he's adapting (though greater leeway will always be given on less-loved, more obscure characters, and greater scrutiny will be applied to the characters that are intensely beloved).

Now, as to Robin, that's a debate that will rage on. I don't think Nolan ever has to use him if he doesn't want to. The character has ups and downs. I think the character's important enough to include at some point if the series continues onwards, and DARK VICTORY proved that the character can be done right and provide a great compliment to Batman (even Tim Sale remarked on how much he didn't really like Robin but was impressed by Loeb's work in the end). The key is just making the character work so that it doesn't come across as tacky or silly, and yes, it is possible.

 

[CConn]

Well, I do think fans often tend to glorify the source material a little too much. Let's all face it - the Batman comics have varied in quality, depending on creators and characters. Just because it is in the source material doesn't by default make it worth adapting or utilizing. Crappy characters have appeared in the series and mistakes have been made.

But that doesn't give a director license to do whatever the hell he wants. He does have to remain true to the spirit and basic points of the material he's adapting (though greater leeway will always be given on less-loved, more obscure characters, and greater scrutiny will be applied to the characters that are intensely beloved).

Oh, certainly. I agree. My point simply is that Robin can, and has, been done well. Extremely well. And that he shouldn't be completely discounted simply for being in some rather laughable stories/eras.

 

[XCharlieX]

So if it's not cool, it's tacky? If it's not Batman Begins, it's Batman & Robin? If you can't see the foolishness in such absolute thinking, I won't waste my time in pointing it out to you.

Tim Burton allowed himself to do the same thing... check what happened after Batman Returns. They always fall for it and always will until folks get rules imo.

What makes all characters and stories (even the "tacky" ones like Spider-Man or Fantastic Four) worthwhile? Their characterization, their personal history, the fantastic stories that have been written about them, and many more things.

Negative. People like fantastic 4s film for cgi and SFX. Only comic fans start analyzing it in a story way. What makes some stories different? Reaching out to the REAL audience. Its the average folks who find all of this weird. When you got them, you have done a feat. Thats called SKILLS. One of the methods some use to get this attained is the real style. Its not the only one that works but it is the one that this franchise has adopted.

And Spiderman isnt batman begins. Different style, different ballgame. I like Spiderman and Superman, even if they are tacky at parts, thats the point. A little story, a little comedy, a little action, and i was awed at the makeover singer made on superman, pulling it more toward my favorite style.

Robin is a part of Batman's personal history, Robin is featured in many of the fantastic stories that've been written about Batman, and he will continue to be for an extremely long time. But I guess those stories mean nothing, I guess the history that has made Batman as popular as he is today means nothing if he isn't as cool as you want him to

And its not all about cool, thats only 1 thing thats needed. You primarily need story, many of which have been made that were truly inspired and comic fans call it nonsense. But I guess those stories mean nothing, as long as it follows the comics right?

Then you're not a Batman fan. You're a Christopher Nolan fan.

Thats not what my dvd collection says. I could say your not a movie fan, your a comic book fan.

 

[Agentsands77]

Oh, certainly. I agree. My point simply is that Robin can, and has, been done well. Extremely well. And that he shouldn't be completely discounted simply for being in some rather laughable stories/eras.

I'm with ya. I mean, Robin is a character that really has earned a reputation for being something of a poorer sidekick through the years, and I can't say that's entirely off-target. He might be part of the character's history, but let's face it, his initial introduction was just to soften Batman and make things a little lighter, and the fact that Robin's better moments have been few and far in-between haven't really helped.

Can he be done well? Well, I didn't believe it until I read DARK VICTORY, and then Loeb made the character make sense. If Nolan took a ton of cues from that story and really did things the right way (I have a long theory of how to accomplish that), I think the inclusion of Robin could be brilliant.

That said, Robin should only be included if this series is going beyond a trilogy. If this series will go on, he's a must-include, IMO.

 

[CConn]

Tim Burton allowed himself to do the same thing... check what happened after Batman Returns. They always fall for it and always will until folks get rules imo.

Negative. People like fantastic 4s film for cgi and SFX. Only comic fans start analyzing it in a story way. What makes some stories different? Reaching out to the REAL audience. Its the average folks who find all of this weird. When you got them, you have done a feat. Thats called SKILLS. One of the methods some use to get this attained is the real style. Its not the only one that works but it is the one that this franchise has adopted.

Wait...are we talking about what's "cool" or what's realistic? That's a different matter entirely, and one that really doesn't need to be discussed at this time - I admit that Robin (may) not fit with Nolan's intepretation of Batman, and that I have little problem waiting until another director steps in to see the character appear. You'll get no argument from me there. The problem is you trying to say the movies will automatically start sucking as soon as a (slightly) less realistic(?) approach is taken.

And Spiderman isnt batman begins. Different style, different ballgame. I like Spiderman and Superman, even if they are tacky at parts, thats the point. A little story, a little comedy, a little action, and i was awed at the makeover singer made on superman, pulling it more toward my favorite style.

Again, I'm not quite sure what you're arguing. That the thing that makes Batman distinctive from those other characters is his coolness, and thusly, it must be featured in every one of his films? If that's what you meant, I still disagree. While yeah, I don't want Batman running around acting like Spidey or Supes, he can be integrated, and work, with those types of personalities.

And its not all about cool, thats only 1 thing thats needed. You primarily need story, many of which have been made that were truly inspired and comic fans call it nonsense. But I guess those stories mean nothing, as long as it follows the comics right?

Uhh...try saying that again.

Thats not what my dvd collection says. I could say your not a movie fan, your a comic book fan.

No, because I like both. I loved what Nolan did with BB yet, at the same time, I still love the comics it was based on, and hope to see more of the aspects from them adapted in the future. So yeah, I'm a comic fan and a movie fan. I'm a Batman fan and a Chris Nolan fan. And I must say, it's a beautiful thing.

 

[CConn]

I'm with ya. I mean, Robin is a character that really has earned a reputation for being something of a poorer sidekick through the years, and I can't say that's entirely off-target. He might be part of the character's history, but let's face it, his initial introduction was just to soften Batman and make things a little lighter...

Can he be done well? Well, I didn't believe it until I read DARK VICTORY, and then Loeb made the character make sense. If Nolan took a ton of cues from that story and really did things the right way (I have a long theory of how to accomplish that), I think the inclusion of Robin could be brilliant.

That said, Robin should only be included if this series is going beyond a trilogy. If this series will go on, he's a must-include, IMO.

I agree with everything, but this...

and the fact that Robin's better moments have been few and far in-between haven't really helped.

Robin has (more or less) 140 issues of strong, entirely non-campy/tacky/whatever comics under his belt. That's more than enough to say his stories are a bit more than "few and far in-between", IMO.

 

[Colossus24]

heres what i want to see

 

[XCharlieX]

I'm a Batman fan and a Chris Nolan fan. And I must say, it's a beautiful thing.

It is, I am one too

DVD COLLECTION:

Batman
Batman Returns
Batman Forever (! its in the closet)
Batman Begins

Yes.. a constant would be batman. Batman fan.

 

[Agentsands77]

I admit that Robin (may) not fit with Nolan's intepretation of Batman, and that I have little problem waiting until another director steps in to see the character appear.

That's a very reasonable outlook. I think we, as fans, do have to recognize that every aspect of the character may or may not be viable for a certain interpretation. That's fine - it's the variety of interpretations that have made Batman so rich and nuanced as a character.

For what it's worth, though, I do think that if Nolan *really* wanted to do it, Robin could find a place in his vision, but odds are he won't go there (and he's admitted as much).

I agree with everything, but this...
and the fact that Robin's better moments have been few and far in-between haven't really helped.
Robin has (more or less) 140 issues of strong, entirely non-campy/tacky/whatever comics under his belt. That's more than enough to say his stories are a bit more than "few and far in-between", IMO.

I didn't mean so much that it's campy/tacky/whatever that I'm saying, but the absolutely great moments that make you sit back and say, "Wow, that was really great." Those are the moments that make a character's presence worthwhile, and I don't think Robin has had a whole lot of those.

It's not just good enough for the character to not be campy, tacky, or whatever - they have to really bring something great. I think Robin can and has, so don't get me wrong, but I think the vast majority of Robin appearances haven't really used the character in a great way.

 

[Abe Rush]

Quick question...

Why do so many people want to see on film a "comic book" adaptation of Batman, based more or less on certain stories that they have previously seen, rather than have something new and different, that still manages to stay "true" to the character(s)?

I still love the comics it was based on, and hope to see more of the aspects from them adapted in the future.

I mean, shouldn't the point of a Batman movie be to further develop the character(s) and the story in various ways, thus allowing for different interpretations of this mythos, like all the different comic books do? You have different writers that come up with different ideas and concepts to, in a sense, keep the character(s) "up to date" with the rest of the world and present it in their own ways.

It might be because I'm not as much of a "fan" as most people on these boards are, but I like to believe you can change characters visually and make them take slightly different "paths" in the story and still end up with the same great characters that we know and love... or hate. I honestly like the idea of recreating Batman on some aspects and see more of a "personal" style emerge... of course, since the primary goal of movies is to make money, that will never happen.

... am I still making sense?

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

I wanna see me as the Joker.
Check my avatar picture.

lol.

 

[fabman]

Ledger... PLEASE...