Superman Returns POTC2 writer & SR VFX guy explain MAJOR issues with SR writing and editing

[Supershizzle]

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/2006/09/pirates-scribe-and-singerman-vfx.html

ignore the title of source blog it just happens to be the one who dug up the comments, but it's got a link to some VERY interesting comments from the guy who wrote POTC2 as well as some from one of the VFX coordinators on SR who explain the issues with the film and how badly Singer and crew handled the editing of the film.

Singer's ego apparently knows no bounds.

 

[The Kid]

lol I forgot about that blog. Ok I'll check it out.

edit:

the vfx one was posted here many moons ago.

 

[Thunder Emperor]

I'll be damn

 

[Mentok]

ROFL... the man who wrote Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2 is talking about faults with other films

 

[dark_b]

dont remind me about the deleted scenes.

 

[CGHulk]

After reading the post from the VFX Coordinator, this movie should and still can be alot better if Bryan Singer re-edits the film, but it's to bad his ego is in the way!

 

[David33]

ROFL... the man who wrote Pirates of the Caribbean 1 & 2 is talking about faults with other films

Oh,yes,like if the opinion of a person who wrote a one BILLION dolars movie didnt count.... .


Terry Rosio nails perfectly how bad SR is.

 

[Simon]

Who cares if the film made a 100 billion dollars. Someone who wrote that piece of crap shouldn't go around throwing stones. If they're going to critique Superman Returns, which is fair enough, at least get someone responsible for a good film and not one that the vast majority of critics though was worse than Superman. You guys honestly thought THAT was better than Superman and if your only way of measuring that is by the box office, then God I feel sorry for you. Try thinking for yourselves and if you honestly think Superman was bad , well great but don't use Pirates as an example of how to do it right. Most of the population of our countries are mindless sheep and wouldn't even know what good entertainment was.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

POTC2 is a much better movie then SR. As for critical acclaim SR is a prime example of why sometimes their opinion is worthless. It got lots of stars (pre-written reviews) probably but the movie itself was complete dog*****. The Godfather apparently got mostly negative reviews when it came out first. Sometimes they mean nothing.

 

[Simon]

POTC2 was a bland piece of crap, you need to start watching better examples of how to do that type of movie better. AS for critics opinions, these are people whose love for cinema goes beyond crappy Hollywood blockbusters and know more about it than anyone on forums like these, so I would put their opinion ahead of of the mindless masses that eat up stuff like American Idol or my country's counterpart.

 

[mclay18]

Okay people, let's get our opinions under control before a mod has to lock it.

Seriously, storyline and editing issues aside, does it really matter if the co-writer for POTC 2 critizes that aspect of SR? It's not if he won an Academy Award for writing the first POTC. (And isn't likely to win one for POTC 2 and POTC 3, either.)

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

POTC2 was a bland piece of crap, you need to start watching better examples of how to do that type of movie better. AS for critics opinions, these are people whose love for cinema goes beyond crappy Hollywood blockbusters and know more about it than anyone on forums like these, so I would put their opinion ahead of of the mindless masses that eat up stuff like American Idol or my country's counterpart.

Modern day critics are part of the asme media that give you American Idol. It's a back slapping industry nowadays and it's foolish to think that they are honest with their reviews.

In this months empire I read a review for DOA and the critic makes the movie sound like fun. Like they really enjoyed it even citing that "it's the film that Charlies Angels should have been" but yet gave it **out of *****. That just screams of snobbery. Sure it might not be "Schindlers List" but they clearly enjoyed it so give it more stars.

 

[Simon]

A film can fall into the "It's so bad that it's good." category. Snakes On A Plane anyone? You wouldn't pay good money and waste your time on DOA would you. Jeez, you really don't have to put your hand in a blender to realize that it's not a good idea.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

A film can fall into the "It's so bad that it's good." category. Snakes On A Plane anyone? You wouldn't pay good money and waste your time on DOA would you. Jeez, you really don't have to put your hand in a blender to realize that it's not a good idea.

I loved snakes and I'm sure that I'll see DOA at some stage. Sometimes I like to look at good cheesey fun.

 

[Dr. Fate]

http://singerssupermansucks.blogspot.com/2006/09/pirates-scribe-and-singerman-vfx.html

ignore the title of source blog it just happens to be the one who dug up the comments, but it's got a link to some VERY interesting comments from the guy who wrote POTC2 as well as some from one of the VFX coordinators on SR who explain the issues with the film and how badly Singer and crew handled the editing of the film.

Singer's ego apparently knows no bounds.

Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

[matthooper]

At least we knew what we were getting with POTC2. It doesn't claim to be some brilliant work of art. It's fun and light.

The makers of POTC are not trying to make a great "film", just a fun, entertaining movie. They have every right to critique SR. Both films are supposed to be in the same genre. Unfortunately, Singer didn't see it that way. Both films should have been a summer fun movie, but ended up being light years apart. The POTC people are trying to make a fun entertaining film. Singer tried to make a drama like Terms of Endearment mixed with a 1978 classic superhero film, and failed.

Funny though hearing from successfull writers and Superman Returns crew members. It certainly gives some insider information on why the film failed.

 

[explode7]

The VFX dude seems to be telling the truth and its making me feel even more hatred towards Singer and his crew and I think they should NOT return for a sequel. I say WB should do a hulk and start over with different cast and everything. Its time to wash away all the muck.

 

[ultimatefan]

I don´t care if the movie made a billion dollars, unless you´re Charlie Kaufman or David Mamet, and this dude is neither of those, it´s kind of arrogant to be pissing on your colleagues´ work, especially when you´re supposed to know how hard it is, especially when you work in the studio system. And there are plenty of people in and out of the industry who thought the script for POTC2 sucked too, so it´s not like you´re such a universally beloved genius you can say all you want about writing, mr Rosio...

Oh, and this blog is further proof some people on the Internet have way too much time on their hands...

You wanna question the character problems and motivations on SR? Fine, how about your movie´s heroes taking risks for a character who is for all intents an absolute jerk who has no problem betraying those who care for him left and right?

 

[Alonsovich]

I don´t care if the movie made a billion dollars, unless you´re Charlie Kaufman or David Mamet, and this dude is neither of those, it´s kind of arrogant to be pissing on your colleagues´ work, especially when you´re supposed to know how hard it is, especially when you work in the studio system. And there are plenty of people in and out of the industry who thought the script for POTC2 sucked too, so it´s not like you´re such a universally beloved genius you can say all you want about writing, mr Rosio...

Oh, and this blog is further proof some people on the Internet have way too much time on their hands...

You wanna question the character problems and motivations on SR? Fine, how about your movie´s heroes taking risks for a character who is for all intents an absolute jerk who has no problem betraying those who care for him left and right?

That actually also describes SR...

 

[ultimatefan]

That actually also describes SR...

I wouldn´t describe it that way but one way or another, you know, those in glass houses...

 

[Alonsovich]

I wouldn´t describe it that way but one way or another, you know, those in glass houses...

I know what you mean... but the thing is POTC and SR have unfortunately the exact same problems. That actually makes double my disappointment, because both ended up having the same problem... the only difference being one making more money and having more action than the other. So much for Hollywood movies being so different between them...

United 93 remains as the best movie of the summer. All this discussion of SR and POTC is so funny... because both are light year away from United 93. Light years.

 

[ultimatefan]

I know what you mean... but the thing is POTC and SR have unfortunately the exact same problems. That actually makes double my disappointment, because both ended up having the same problem... the only difference being one mking more money and having more action than the other. So much for Hollywood movie being so different one from the others. United 93 remains as the best movie of the summer. All this discussion of SR and POTC is so funny... because both are light year away from United 93. Light years.

I have to see United 93 yet, but heard great things about it.

 

[Alonsovich]

I have to see United 93 yet, but heard great things about it.

It's worth every single penny of the ticket, trust me. Independently of believeing or not the official version of what happened.

 

[AgentPat]

...It's not if he won an Academy Award for writing the first POTC.

No, but he was nominated for an Academy Award for writing Shrek - which WON the Oscar for best animated feature in 2001, btw.

C'mon people. Even Bryan Singer doesn't have an Academy Award nomination, never less a win.

Instead of bashing POTC - a very successful film, btw - why not address some of the points the writer made? Personally, I think he had some very interesting things to say, and the VFX guy was very thorough too. At least there's an explanation behind some of the decisions that were made - not that it makes it right, but at least we know what went down.

 

[nogster]

No, but he was nominated for an Academy Award for writing Shrek - which WON the Oscar for best animated feature in 2001, btw.

C'mon people. Even Bryan Singer doesn't have an Academy Award nomination, never less a win.

Instead of bashing POTC - a very successful film, btw - why not address some of the points the writer made? Personally, I think he had some very interesting things to say, and the VFX guy was very thorough too. At least there's an explanation behind some of the decisions that were made - not that it makes it right, but at least we know what went down.

agreed