Superman Returns POTC2 writer & SR VFX guy explain MAJOR issues with SR writing and editing

DrMylesOBoogie said:
POTC2 is a much better movie then SR. As for critical acclaim SR is a prime example of why sometimes their opinion is worthless. It got lots of stars (pre-written reviews) probably but the movie itself was complete dog*****. The Godfather apparently got mostly negative reviews when it came out first. Sometimes they mean nothing.
Star Wars didn't review well. Halloween didn't review well till whats his name from the Village Voice and Siskel and Ebert gave stellar reviews. The Wizard of Oz didn't get the best reviews. A lot of movies that got great reviews are crap. Die Hard 1 and 3 did not get the greatest reviews, but Die Hard 2 did, and we all know which films out of that existing series are the good ones (McTiernnan's).
 
This just shows why Singer and his wack pack needs to be taken off the sequel:

"But, here’s the problem… Bryan had a big thing with people not getting hurt. Even when we had to create CG debris falling off of the buildings, we had to make sure that it couldn’t be big enough to hurt anybody on the ground. He was very concerned that children watching the movie would be terrified by the violence, thus alienating a big portion of his perceived audience. What he got in return was a toothless, impotent third act. It’s pretty sad, actually."

WTF. Imagine if Donner had the whole last act of Superman tame and not showing any danger for the people that Superman wa busting ass to save. And the fact that he was flying his ass off saving people he didn't know and not being able to be there to save the person he did love. If Singer had directed that the critics would have said "No one in Cali was in danger so it does not resonate that Superman was not able to save Lois. NO ONE WAS IN DANGER SUPERMAN SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT AND JUST FLOWN TO SAVE LOIS!" It is a Superhero film. Superheroes save regular people from imminent danger. Not child safe danger. GAHHHHHH you are an idiot!

and here

"I don’t know. I have to tell you that when I quit my previous job to go work on Superman…I felt like a childhood dream was coming true. If I could have even a small part of making the big blue guy fly again…well, I wanted to be right there. And, let me tell you, when I watch the movie, I do feel like some of that spirit is still in there. But, as the days passed and as we got deeper into the work, it became obvious that no matter how hard we tried, it was going to fall short – and for one reason only. Story."

and we find out the truth about the stupid corn field/young clark scene that felt so out of place to the rest of the film:

TERRY: "Structure -- the flashback, running -- why is it there? Because it looked cool?"

DING!!! HAND THAT MAN A CUPIE DOLL!!!


Yeah, like we never saw that scene before. And it didn't look that cool. It was a kid running through a cornfield and jumping onto a building. Jeeze. And the danger, as I have stated in previous posts here:


First, I think it’s difficult for the audience to make a direct connection that the damage is being caused by the island growing off the coast. It feels almost like one event that stops -- instead of a continuous threat advancing towards them. From the look of it, Superman flies back into Metropolis, saves some people from falling off things and then – viola! -- Metropolis isn’t in any danger anymore.

Bad idea.

As an audience, we don’t feel any global jeopardy anymore. The problem seems solved.

The issue is – it’s not. The island is still growing and about to flood the United States and kill “BILLLLIONS!” of people. But, where? How? I don’t see that happening. I just see a bunch of gape-jawed people looking up at the sky. Nobody’s running for their lives. Nobody’s trying to outrun the advancing wave of ocean water.


No danger to people and no sense of urgency. Singer this is a basic concept of action film filmmaking. IN order for you audience to understand the danger, and the risks that your heroes are taking, you have to show the danger to the people they are saving. Emmerich even showed people freaking out and packing up to leave town in Independace Day as they were scared about a 15 mile long UFO overhead. So why cant you show people freaking out that a big damn island is going to flood them out. Stupid. You were a good director. Now you just do too many drigs and party all night Singer.

This is a Superhero movie. The point of a superhero movie is showing him saving people in situations that no regular man can do. God Singer you suck even more now. You need to check your ego dumb ass. This film fialing is not marketing (which you were in charge of) it was you...you...you...you.\

The guy also wrote Aladin, which was a heavy money maker that year. He also wrote the abandoned version of Godzilla, which was before Emmerich and Devlin came on and threw away their story and rewrote it, which was much better than what we got. The only reason it was not made was budget. This guy has written some very successful films, so I think he has the artistic clout to judge another film.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744429/

Singer needs to be taken off the sequel NOW! And it shows that people who worked on the film, and in the industry, had the same problem with this stinking turd of a film that we did.

I just went over the The Planet and read their response to this blog...which was spot on on what is wrong with SR...and it is like someone told them their dad died. God I am so glad I stopped going there two years ago. That place is pointless except for the Excuse Crew to have a place to talk about how great this POS film is.
 
Give me a break. It's just a matter of OPINION, folks. And everybody has one. Get over it. :mad:
 
LL2K2 said:
Give me a break. It's just a matter of OPINION, folks. And everybody has one. Get over it. :mad:

Some people try to use the quotes as validation. Makes no difference now. There will likely be a sequel with Singer and Routh returning....deal with it. :yay:
 
Pickle-El said:
Some people try to use the quotes as validation. Makes no difference now. There will likely be a sequel with Singer and Routh returning....deal with it. :yay:
Kind of like you guys quoting RT and yahoo polls to validate your opinion that this movie is good. Okay, I see how it is now. See below V
 
My God! Superman had far more emotional punch and memmorable scenes than Pirates' bland cgi fest ever did.
"Bryan had a big thing with people not getting hurt. Even when we had to create CG debris falling off of the buildings, we had to make sure that it couldn’t be big enough to hurt anybody on the ground."
So that wouldn't include that massive sign that fell, the glass he vaporised with his heat vision, the gas main exploding or the Daily Planet globe. Whoever wrote that obviously didn't watch the film, did he expect Superman to fail saving someone.
 
DrMylesOBoogie said:
POTC2 is a much better movie then SR.
I actually can't believe you think that. It's pretty much a fact, from rottentomatoes to imdb, that Superman Returns is the better movie.
 
WhatsHisFace said:
I actually can't believe you think that. It's pretty much a fact, from rottentomatoes to imdb, that Superman Returns is the better movie.
There's a difference between being "better" and being more "entertaining." Fans of either film should ask themselves, did you like it because it was good, or was it good because you liked it? Cinematic excellence is irrelevant if you're not entertained by the film. Armageddon was a pretty DUMB flick, but gosh darn, I watch it ever time it airs on TV. It's *that* entertaining for me. YMMV. If given the choice between seeing Pirates again or SR, I'd see Pirates. Is Pirates a "better" film? Depends. What do you mean by "better?" The fact that I as a Superman fan, would rather see POTC again instead of SR says there's something I found more appealing about POTC.

....or maybe it's something I find less appealing about SR? Hmm... I might give that some thought.

But hey, the point is still there. Everybody has different tastes, and judging from the box office, a LOT of people *really* enjoyed how "bad" POTC2 was. LOL
 
WhatsHisFace said:
I actually can't believe you think that. It's pretty much a fact, from rottentomatoes to imdb, that Superman Returns is the better movie.
Who listens to critics, I sure as heck don't!
 
That exactly what it comes down to, individual choice. I was more entertained by Superman than Pirates. Maybe I'm finally growing up but fight/action scenes do not impress me anymore. The themes and dramatic situation in SR was much more interesting than the second rate slapstick antics/broad appeal with a giant squid of POTC2, I've seen it all done better before. If Superman was made like that God knows I'd only see once. It all depends on which Superman you grew up with and Singer chose the one I liked the best.
 
The creator of the blog is a moron, but I must say I sgreed with some of those points to an extent.

There were a lot of missed oppurtunities.
 
The only reason Singer cut "whole" sequences is because WB was not going to let Singer deliver a 3 hour love story in the middle of the summer. It just wasn't going to happen and Singer knew that after his "Friends and Family" screening. You don't think Singer wanted to deliver the Superman Returns film he had envisioned?

Anyone who has read the script knows that Superman Returns was a much more ambitious film than was shown in the theatre. He had multiple themes that were all connected to his return and ultimate had to sacrifice a few (because of length) and just focused mainly on the love story between Superman and Lois.

He pulled it off well but Superman Returns, in its true form, is leaps and bounds better than a film that's much more impressive in its short form than Dead Man's Chest was in its entirity.
 
AgentPat said:
There's a difference between being "better" and being more "entertaining." Fans of either film should ask themselves, did you like it because it was good, or was it good because you liked it? Cinematic excellence is irrelevant if you're not entertained by the film. Armageddon was a pretty DUMB flick, but gosh darn, I watch it ever time it airs on TV. It's *that* entertaining for me. YMMV. If given the choice between seeing Pirates again or SR, I'd see Pirates. Is Pirates a "better" film? Depends. What do you mean by "better?" The fact that I as a Superman fan, would rather see POTC again instead of SR says there's something I found more appealing about POTC.

....or maybe it's something I find less appealing about SR? Hmm... I might give that some thought.

But hey, the point is still there. Everybody has different tastes, and judging from the box office, a LOT of people *really* enjoyed how "bad" POTC2 was. LOL
heey me to. i always watch this movie. its such a fun movie to watch when oyu have nothing better to do :)
 
David33 said:
Oh,yes,like if the opinion of a person who wrote a one BILLION dolars movie didnt count....:whatever: .


Terry Rosio nails perfectly how bad SR is.:hyper:

I dont give a flying **** how much money it made. I didnt see one single positive review for the film. It was a big pile of **** but people chose to ignore that and go see it anyway :o
 
Dr. Fate said:
POTC 2 delivered, SR didn't. Simple as that.
It's true. POTC2 had what the audience wanted. SR was good, but it wasn't what people wanted to see.
 
The insider info from the VFX guy was interesting. But what's so interesting about Rosio's critique? I mean, people have been pointing all of these problems out, ever since SR released in theaters. Do we really need his celebrity status to validate these points?
 
Cosmic said:
The insider info from the VFX guy was interesting. But what's so interesting about Rosio's critique? I mean, people have been pointing all of these problems out, ever since SR released in theaters. Do we really need his celebrity status to validate these points?
The pathetic people who loathe SR that much, need anything they can get to justify their hatred.
 
AgentPat said:
There's a difference between being "better" and being more "entertaining." Fans of either film should ask themselves, did you like it because it was good, or was it good because you liked it? Cinematic excellence is irrelevant if you're not entertained by the film. Armageddon was a pretty DUMB flick, but gosh darn, I watch it ever time it airs on TV. It's *that* entertaining for me. YMMV. If given the choice between seeing Pirates again or SR, I'd see Pirates. Is Pirates a "better" film? Depends. What do you mean by "better?" The fact that I as a Superman fan, would rather see POTC again instead of SR says there's something I found more appealing about POTC.

....or maybe it's something I find less appealing about SR? Hmm... I might give that some thought.

But hey, the point is still there. Everybody has different tastes, and judging from the box office, a LOT of people *really* enjoyed how "bad" POTC2 was. LOL

So true and on the money, I watch armageddon too as much as it airs, but conceptually its a very dumb flick. well said pat
 
WhatsHisFace said:
I actually can't believe you think that. It's pretty much a fact, from rottentomatoes to imdb, that Superman Returns is the better movie.

so the consensus opinion of about 30 critics has more weight to it than the ticket purchases of millions of people the world over?

Just because critics like a film doesnt mean it's a good film my friend. Did you ever see the reviews The Godfather got?
 
As opposed to being mentally ******ed in liking POTC2. I swear to God the air heads that like that film are the same ones that say they can't watch older films because they're to slow and "complicated" or my personal favorite " I can't watch old films cause they're in black and white." Look at what Batman Begins made, here finally was a great mature version of Batman that should have made double what it did but it was too much for the mindless sheep. If that's what the general wants they're welcome to it at least I got my version of Superman back that made it's money back and not the POTC2 version .
 
buggs0268 said:
Kind of like you guys quoting RT and yahoo polls to validate your opinion that this movie is good. Okay, I see how it is now. See below V

No, it's the same kind of pissing you guys would be doing if all those positive reviews were negative.

And some of you guys seem to be REALLY good at that.
 
J.Howlett said:
The only reason Singer cut "whole" sequences is because WB was not going to let Singer deliver a 3 hour love story in the middle of the summer. It just wasn't going to happen and Singer knew that after his "Friends and Family" screening. You don't think Singer wanted to deliver the Superman Returns film he had envisioned?

Anyone who has read the script knows that Superman Returns was a much more ambitious film than was shown in the theatre. He had multiple themes that were all connected to his return and ultimate had to sacrifice a few (because of length) and just focused mainly on the love story between Superman and Lois.

You've read it?
 
Well, i had very few major problem with SR, just some minor nitpicks that can easily be improved upon. An i thought SR was a much better movie than POTC 2 (though i enjoyed POTC 2 for what it ws), no scene in POTC 2 can match the NK beating or Superman's unconscious descent for sheer emotional weight.
 
AVEITWITHJAMON said:
Well, i had very few major problem with SR, just some minor nitpicks that can easily be improved upon. An i thought SR was a much better movie than POTC 2 (though i enjoyed POTC 2 for what it ws), no scene in POTC 2 can match the NK beating or Superman's unconscious descent for sheer emotional weight.
What emotional weight?
 

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