Infinity War Power levels of various characters

[demitri_vampiro]

I remember reading a while back an interview with Feige where he said how Marvel is planning ahead and having basically something like a big storyboard where they keep track of things happening and things to come.

Now with the MCU expanding and IW around the corner, we allready have vast amount of characters interacting with each other. And all of them have different power levels, and I think that Marvel should also keep some sort of track of the power levels of all these characters.
Something like a big board where speed, strength, durability is written. That way directors can know how hard certain character can punch and how much damage certain character can make.

A few examples of some power level inconsistencies in the past:
In Civil War Black Panther's speed and strength was on level of Captain America which is way above peak human. Yet in the airport fight scene Hawkeye was able to land a few punches. Also, for Hawkeye to be hit by Blackpanther would feel as if a normal human was hit by a heavy weight boxer.
In Guardians of the Galaxy, when Gamora was in prison she was overpowered by 3 prisoners.
If hulk buster armour can withstand hul'ks punches, it shouldn't be pierced by a steel pipe.

Hopefully for IW the Russos will manage to portay these different power levels properly.

 

[MbJ]

That's probably never gonna happen. Whoever the writer wants to win for that given situation is gonna win; power level debates are kind of pointless in this context.

It's like I kept telling people before Civil War when they kept assuring me Spider-Man would absolutely obliterate Captain America and there was no way he could possibly be defeated, LOL.

 

[Mike5575]

Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for storytelling purposes.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

yes, but if the writers would know where different characters stand power wise, then they could make the story fit the power levels better.

 

[ernesth100]

Who is more powerful Dormammu in his dimension or Infinity Gauntlet Thanos?

 

[Wildcard]

IG Thanos since he can control time, which would've rendered Strange's trick 100% ineffective on him.

And I agree, using "power levels" is pretty pointless. There's a reason most abstain from doing so anymore.

 

[DarthAlani]

Power levels mean nothing in the MCU. Iron Man and Cap have massive jobber auras.

I fully expect Hulk and Thor to quickly get beat down by Thanos while Iron man and Cap somehow survive the initial onslaught.

 

[Mike5575]

I fully expect Hulk and Thor to quickly get beat down by Thanos while Iron man and Cap somehow survive the initial onslaught.

Makes sense. I fully expect Hulk and Thor to take the brunt of the assault, because they can.

Btw, Thor was doing just fine against the Chitauri, while Cap needed to be rescued by him.

 

[AlluAllu]

Btw, Thor was doing just fine against the Chitauri, while Cap needed to be rescued by him.

In a weird way, I think that is pretty heroic scene for Cap. He knows that he can get seriously hurt out there, but still he fights side by side with Thor.

 

[Chesterfield]

I don't recall Clint landing any hits on Black Panther and if you look at the last move Panther used on Clint, it was a basic kick that looked like there was no real effort put into it and yet it was enough to take Clint out the game.

 

[Overman27pj]

Also, just for the sake of saying, power levels fluctuate just like a normal person has 'good' or 'bad' days. Some days I'm soooo tired and slow, others I'm up kicking my duties butts. I'd imagine those fluctuations would be even bigger with more power.

 

[Gieferg]

In Avengers there's a Thor Vs Iron Man battle, then Thor Vs Hulk. So, if Thor could fight with Hulk, and Iron Man can fight Thor, and (in Civil War) Captain America can fight Iron Man, does that mean that Cap could fight Hulk also? He can fight Spider-Man at least... that Spider-Man who can hold the broken ship...

The power levels makes no sense in those movies.

AT ALL.

 

[Panacea]

Because power levels only exist in video games.

 

[DarthAlani]

Both Iron Man and Cap have character shields. Cap has an even bigger jobber aura than Iron Man as proved in Civil War.

They need to get rid of the adjusting the power of characters for drama.

 

[MbJ]

They need to get rid of the adjusting the power of characters for drama.

If that is a sticking point then superheroes may not be the genre you want to be following. This is superheroes, where pretty much every matchup and victory you can think of has happened at some point.

 

[Chesterfield]

Because power levels only exist in video games.

 

[MbJ]

Because power levels only exist in video games.

Well...

 

[Flemm]

I really think it's better if the characters' power levels are not very clearly defined.

I know that, over the years, the comics ended up defining power levels with more and more precision, and a culture developed around that, among a certain sub-set of fans who liked to debate about which character would win a particular fight, creating "versus battles" and "battle boards" and so on.

But quite a few observers have noted that creating clearly-defined strength levels detracted from the mystique and mystery surrounding the characters that got fans interested in seeing these fights in the first place.

When Hulk and Thing originally fought, there was genuine curiosity about who might be stronger. But, in more recent years, everybody just takes it for granted that Hulk is in a higher "strength class" than Thing, and therefore Thing should never be able to win.

That's really not that great, and I'm actually glad that the studio is not trying to transfer that structure into the movies.

We have a general idea of power levels, but it's not very precise, and that's fine. There should be some room for a surprise, or for the somewhat weaker character to come out on top because of heart, skill, determination or whatever. And frequently it's better for a fight to be focused on the character dynamic, rather than on power levels.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I really think it's better if the characters' power levels are not very clearly defined.

I know that, over the years, the comics ended up defining power levels with more and more precision, and a culture developed around that, among a certain sub-set of fans who liked to debate about which character would win a particular fight, creating "versus battles" and "battle boards" and so on.

But quite a few observers have noted that creating clearly-defined strength levels detracted from the mystique and mystery surrounding the characters that got fans interested in seeing these fights in the first place.

When Hulk and Thing originally fought, there was genuine curiosity about who might be stronger. But, in more recent years, everybody just takes it for granted that Hulk is in a higher "strength class" than Thing, and therefore Thing should never be able to win.

That's really not that great, and I'm actually glad that the studio is not trying to transfer that structure into the movies.

We have a general idea of power levels, but it's not very precise, and that's fine. There should be some room for a surprise, or for the somewhat weaker character to come out on top because of heart, skill, determination or whatever. And frequently it's better for a fight to be focused on the character dynamic, rather than on power levels.

I think there's even more factors that can play in than that. Take the brawl between Cap/Bucky and Iron Man.
- emotional compromise: Stark was fighting to kill, but he was definitely distracted by his rage and bloodlust. Stark needs to be clear headed and logical to come out on top.
- environmental factors: Stark is at his best when he's aerial and can fly at top speed. Close quarters is where the super soldiers thrive.
- preparation: Iron Man did not expect to go into battle against his friends here. The suit he was using fit inside the back of a helicopter.

Most of these factors, in conjunction with lady luck should be taken into account when analyzing every one of the fights in the MCU.

I honestly suggest taking those factors into account in the comics too. But its not too late to start in the films.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Both Iron Man and Cap have character shields. Cap has an even bigger jobber aura than Iron Man as proved in Civil War.

They need to get rid of the adjusting the power of characters for drama.

You might wanna drop comics all together. The Man himself has said it: "The character that the writer wants to win, will win". Nuff said.

 

[Panacea]

It's about time some emotional weight was added to the franchise. Cap or Bucky should die saving Tony.

 

[GeckoMoria]

No. I don't want Cap and there can be plenty of emotional weight without deaths.

 

[Zarex]

I think there's even more factors that can play in than that. Take the brawl between Cap/Bucky and Iron Man.
- emotional compromise: Stark was fighting to kill, but he was definitely distracted by his rage and bloodlust. Stark needs to be clear headed and logical to come out on top.
- environmental factors: Stark is at his best when he's aerial and can fly at top speed. Close quarters is where the super soldiers thrive.
- preparation: Iron Man did not expect to go into battle against his friends here. The suit he was using fit inside the back of a helicopter.

Most of these factors, in conjunction with lady luck should be taken into account when analyzing every one of the fights in the MCU.

I honestly suggest taking those factors into account in the comics too. But its not too late to start in the films.

Tony was also physical injured when taking on Bucky and Cap. He took quite a beating at the airport and had his arm in a sling before slipping into his suit.

 

[MbJ]

You might wanna drop comics all together. The Man himself has said it: "The character that the writer wants to win, will win". Nuff said.

To illustrate the point, Hawkeye, the guy everyone makes fun of for being lame and the most useless Avenger, has personally beaten the Hulk, She-Hulk, and the Abomination.

If you can think of any possible character matchup and outcome in comics, it has probably happened at some point.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Spider-man and Cap have knocked out savage Hulk and there are many more examples.