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In the comics he sort of fakes his death so that he can live outside of society as a vigilante detective hero of the city. But from what I have seen of the commercials and people like Miller talking about him it seems like they might have given him powers in the movie.
Does anyone know if they gave him powers in the film?
 
In the comics he sort of fakes his death so that he can live outside of society as a vigilante detective hero of the city. But from what I have seen of the commercials and people like Miller talking about him it seems like they might have given him powers in the movie.
Does anyone know if they gave him powers in the film?

From what I've read, Frank Miller gave The Spirit the power of being unfazed by physical pain.
 
as well as expediated healing abilities and he automatically seduces women either intentionally or not beyond a normal bit.
 
In the comics he sort of fakes his death so that he can live outside of society as a vigilante detective hero of the city.

The Spirit: The Movie Visual Companion book explains that in the movie we see in flashback origin sequences that he was Denny Colt, orphaned at a young age and grew up in the slums of Central City's Lower East Side. Denny Colt was living with his uncle. He had a first love, named Sand Saref, who left him and turned to crime. All he wanted to do in his life was to be a cop. He went to collage to become a cop, became a cop and was shot in the back and killed, and he never knew who his killers were, when his body came into the morgue, the Octopus was there at the morgue as a coroner and he was working on this kind of serum. He secretly tried it on Denny Colt and he came back to life but was in suspended animation, and since everyone assumes he's dead, he is buried alive in Wildwood Cemetery. Colt awakens and he has to claw his way out of his grave. He decides to make the mausoleum at Wildwood Cemetery his new home with a floor full of roaming stray cats that he decides to take care of and becomes a masked vigilante detective called the Spirit. The Spirit and Commissioner Dolan have an agreement. "He's a guy trying to protect his city, so Denny Colt's buried alive moment when you see him clawing out of that grave he's not just trying to save himself - he knows he has more to do," producer F.J. DeSantio explains. "Denny Colt had a life that made sense. He was a cop, he was going to marry Ellen Dolan, maybe even be police commissioner someday. Who knows? But he was murdered...and buried. And now he's back as The Spirit," Frank Miller explains. The Spirit only knows that he somehow came back from the dead. "Why am I alive? Nobody really knows that anyway. You give a voice to what's essentially people's ultimate fears and questions about life, that's very relatable and understandable. It's about that one person alone in the dark of the movie theater. To say, 'I get that, I'm scared of dying too,'" producer Deborah Del Prete said.

But from what I have seen of the commercials and people like Miller talking about him it seems like they might have given him powers in the movie.
Does anyone know if they gave him powers in the film?

He has abilities. Frank Miller explains, “He’s not a superhero. He can’t fly, he can’t throw cars around. But he can take ridiculous amounts of punishment, and heal faster than anybody.” He also has acrobatic ability and female attraction (“The old Eisner comics were loaded with romance, beautiful and dangerous women, and pheromones was a way to explain the sparks flying between the Spirit and every woman he meets,” Frank Miller explained). The Spirit's abilities in the movie have their roots in the old Spirit comics. The ability to take intense physical punishment and recover, acrobatic ability and the female attraction.
 
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as well as expediated healing abilities and he automatically seduces women either intentionally or not beyond a normal bit.

You'll also notice that he is superstrong and acrobatic ala Spider-Man.
 
The Spirit: The Movie Visual Companion book explains that in the movie we see in a flashback origin sequence that he was Denny Colt, orphaned at a young age and was very poor. He had a first love who left him and she turned to crime. All he wanted to do in his life was to be a cop. He went to collage to become a cop, became a cop and early on he got shot in the back and killed, and he never knows who his killers were, when his body came into the morgue, the Octopus was there at the morgue as a coroner and he was working on this kind of serum. He secretly tried it on Denny Colt and he came back to life but was in suspended animation, and since everyone assumes he's dead, he is buried alive in Wildwood Cemetery. Colt awakens and he has to claw his way out of his grave. He decides to make the mausoleum at Wildwood Cemetery his new home with a floor full of roaming stray cats that he decides to take care of and becomes a vigilante detective called the Spirit. The Spirit and Commissioner Dolan have an agreement. "He's a guy trying to protect his city, so Denny Colt's buried alive moment when you see him clawing out of that grave he's not just trying to save himself - he knows he has more to do," producer F.J. DeSantio explains. "Denny Colt had a life that made sense. He was a cop, he was going to marry Ellen Dolan, maybe even be police commissioner someday. Who knows? But he was murdered...and buried. And now he's back as The Spirit," Frank Miller explains. The Spirit only knows that he somehow came back from the dead. "Why am I alive? Nobody really knows that anyway. You give a voice to what's essentially people's ultimate fears and questions about life, that's very relatable and understandable. It's about that one person alone in the dark of the movie theater. To say, 'I get that, I'm scared of dying too,'" producer Deborah Del Prete said.



He has abilities. Frank Miller explains, “He’s not a superhero. He can’t fly, he can’t throw cars around. But he can take ridiculous amounts of punishment, and heal faster than anybody.” He also has acrobatic ability and female attraction (“The old Eisner comics were loaded with romance, beautiful and dangerous women, and pheromones was a way to explain the sparks flying between the Spirit and every woman he meets,” Frank Miller explained). The Spirit's abilities in the movie have their roots in the old Spirit comics. The ability to take intense physical punishment and recover, acrobatic ability and the female attraction.

Except he didn't have any powers in the old comics. Miller took normal human levels and turned them into superpowers. Miller fails to mention the super strength he has also given the Spirit.
 
What super strength ala Spider-Man?

He picks up a manhole cover and throws it like a frisbee sending the clone crashing into the brick wall at least a foot deep. Sounds like Super strength to me.

The Spider-Man reference was about the acrobatics where he's doing backflips up the side of the building. Sounds like Spider-Man doesn't it?
 
He picks up a manhole cover and throws it like a frisbee sending the clone crashing into the brick wall at least a foot deep. Sounds like Super strength to me.

Throwing a manhole cover is nothing Batman couldn't do.

The Spider-Man reference was about the acrobatics where he's doing backflips up the side of the building. Sounds like Spider-Man doesn't it?

Yep, Spider-Man could do that, and Daredevil, and Batman.
 
Throwing a manhole cover is nothing Batman couldn't do.


Yep, Spider-Man could do that, and Daredevil, and Batman.

I disagree on both counts. Those are not things that Batman does. If Batman could move like that he wouldn't need a batline. Don't be ridiculous Man-Bat.
 
I disagree on both counts. Those are not things that Batman does. If Batman could move like that he wouldn't need a batline. Don't be ridiculous Man-Bat.

Batman's moved like that in Batman comics before.
 
Batman's moved like that in Batman comics before.

Not backlfipping UP the side of a building. He is acrobatic but not in Daredevil or Spider-Man terms and Daredevil is not quite in Spider-Man's league for that matter.

What about the strength issue?
 
I don't doubt he could pick one up, but throw it like a frisbee?



Batman can't do backflips up a wall.
Yeah, didn't the Spirit also through it with like one hand?
And with so much force that it pushed an obese man through bricks?
 
I don't doubt he could pick one up, but throw it like a frisbee?

Sure, he's done things like that in the comics. In Detective Comics #38 (1940), Robin's first appearance, Batman picks up a casino table up over he's head with ease and throws it at gangsters. In Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns he rips through a damn wall! Then picks up a ridiculously large gun with one hand and makes a pierces shot.
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Batman can't do backflips up a wall.

Batman has done that sort of thing before in the comic books.
 
In Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns he rips through a damn wall! Then picks up a ridiculously large gun with one hand and makes a pierces shot.



Only when talking about a Frank Miller story, would it be a DAMN wall. :oldrazz:

Nice catch on Miller giving him a RIDICULOUSLY LARGE gun, too.

Nothing if not consistent.
 
I still dont understand why we're saying "Well if Batman can do it, that means the Spirit can too!"

I might be wrong but I think they're different characters.
 
I still dont understand why we're saying "Well if Batman can do it, that means the Spirit can too!"

I might be wrong but I think they're different characters.


Well, it's simple. Miller wrote Batman. Miller wrote this version of the Spirit. Miller can't write more than one type of male character. Now, both characters are exactly the same. Miller wrote Daredevil. Daredevil does inhuman acrobatics and has an oedipus complex with his city. Miller wrote this version of the Spirit. This version of the Spirit does inhuman acrobatics and has an oedipus complex with his city.

Simple math.
 
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I understand that the Spirit was essentially a cartoon character (as short as that description sells him) but does that still mean that everything follows Looney Tunes physics?
 
I understand that the Spirit was essentially a cartoon character (as short as that description sells him) but does that still mean that everything follows Looney Tunes physics?


ManBat: "As Frank Miller explained..." :whatever:
 
Sure, he's done things like that in the comics. In Detective Comics #38 (1940), Robin's first appearance, Batman picks up a casino table up over he's head with ease and throws it at gangsters.

I don't think would really fit in with Batman of today or a canonical Batman. Of course I've never tried to pick up a Roulette table (it's a roulette table if you look at the picture), but if you got underneath it and lifted it over your head with both hands it might be possible. I know I could do it with my dining room table. But throwing a manhole cover like a frisbee is just not humanly possible.

In Frank Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns he rips through a damn wall! Then picks up a ridiculously large gun with one hand and makes a pierces shot.
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Batman has done that sort of thing before in the comic books.

Using Miller to defend Miller only goes to show that Miller is not interested in keeping within the bounds of realism.
 
I understand that the Spirit is meant to be a sort of Comic book brought to life, a cartoon. Like in action films where people punch and fight but don't fall down.
Its something I can overlook and excuse.
Its not really powers, its like cartoon exaggeration.
(just my opinion.) Its like the over the top violence in Sin City. None of those guys were super powered.

What I was curious about was the scenes where the Spirit is getting shot so many times, and it looks like its right in his chest. Unless it turns out that its somehow not Deny Colt, like its a henchmen in disguise or a mannequin, then he has super powers (It would seem to me).
But I guess from what I am hearing, Miller gave him powers.
Does anyone know why? Is it because Miller thought he had to explain why the Spirit gets hurt so much but never dies or something?

Also, I thought that Eisner made up the Spirit to be sort of just a detective hero. Not really a superhero.
You know the story, about how Eisner drew the Spirit and was told by his editor that he had to give him a costume because superheroes were all the rage. So he drew the mask on him.

So I always thought that the Spirit was meant to be sort of a regular detective who faked his death and wears a costume.

(Not saying its something that would ruin the movie or anything, it just seems very different from the original concept of the comic. Am I wrong?
I haven't read any Spirit really. Too expensive.)
 
I understand that the Spirit is meant to be a sort of Comic book brought to life, a cartoon. Like in action films where people punch and fight but don't fall down.
Its something I can overlook and excuse.
Its not really powers, its like cartoon exaggeration.
(just my opinion.) Its like the over the top violence in Sin City. None of those guys were super powered.

Right.

What I was curious about was the scenes where the Spirit is getting shot so many times, and it looks like its right in his chest. Unless it turns out that its somehow not Deny Colt, like its a henchmen in disguise or a mannequin, then he has super powers (It would seem to me).
But I guess from what I am hearing, Miller gave him powers.
Does anyone know why? Is it because Miller thought he had to explain why the Spirit gets hurt so much but never dies or something?

Right. You just answered your own question.

Also, I thought that Eisner made up the Spirit to be sort of just a detective hero. Not really a superhero.
You know the story, about how Eisner drew the Spirit and was told by his editor that he had to give him a costume because superheroes were all the rage. So he drew the mask on him.

So I always thought that the Spirit was meant to be sort of a regular detective who faked his death and wears a costume.

Right. He's not really a superhero like Superman, but he's also not really a regular detective, either.

(Not saying its something that would ruin the movie or anything, it just seems very different from the original concept of the comic. Am I wrong?
I haven't read any Spirit really. Too expensive.)

Gotcha.
 

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