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Comics Preview art for ASM #581 and about how Harry came back

Yes. I even said they could do whatever they want, but again it's their jobs to keep us happy or else we're not buying the book. Which we're not. Also most of the stuff you mentioned even though people didn't like them they were at least still interested enough to keep on reading. However less and less people that felt burned by OMD/BND are reading since they don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. Their job is to keep the customers happy, and if we're not we gotta let them know with our wallets. Which we are.

I know the book has a bit of a sales cushion that they have more breathing room to pull out every stop along the way to try and get this to stick, but sooner or later this will get changed back.

See below...

Speak for yourself, man. What about those of us who DO like the new direction? What about us that ARE still speaking with our wallets by still buying the books? Is your fan opinion any more important than mine? The writers know that there's no way that they can satisfy every reader all the time, and sometimes they're going to have to make decisions that a lot of people might not like. But they have to do what they think is in their best interest for the books, because if they spend too much time trying to just appease every reader's wishes there won't BE a Spider-Man comic to worry about after a while.

Exactly... the numbers are probably hovering around where they thought they would be (though I'm sure they wish they were higher), but they talk like they will wait the storm regardless of how long it takes... and even at the current monthly average, it still ranks higher than what the numbers were before (with 3 seperate monthly Spidey-Titles... which was around 65k per month)...

And they're are people I know at my comic shop that ARE buying Spider-Man NOW when they never did before because they like the new direction...

Just like there are people who HATE it and refuse to buy the book...
 
I believe OMD was a way of putting everything where they wanted without having to take years to write it that way.

They didnt want Peter and MJ married.
They didnt want the other and disassembled powers.
They wanted the old supporting cast.
They wanted him remasked.
They wanted to bring back Harry
They wanted him to return to his loner status.

I feel that OMD was just the way to put all of the genie's back in the bottle all at one time.

And most of this damage was done with Joe Q on the EiC chair...
-Peter and MJ were split up before brougth together at the airport... An off-panel divorce would've worked and kept continuity intact...
-Those Powers were given to Spidey while the Q was in charge... Now they wanna remove them!? But he's just gotten them!!
-Old supporting cast... did we really need the Devil to bring them back? Wait, Carlie, Lilly, Vin, DB... They were part of the OLD CAST?
-Re-masking... C'mon! This one could be seen from a couple hundred miles away... Why? Cause Unmasking=Dumb decision...
-Harry Back... Why? We've got Norman alive, why keep the weak Osborn, when we've got the Original Gobby/Osborn... Why don't we bring back Gwen or Uncle Ben while we're at it... or even Better Peter's Parents so we can have a heartwarming Parker family reunion... but not Baby May cause it would confuse fans and remind them of the 8 letter m-word...
We should ask for a censoring of the word Marriage on the spidey forums... cause it's an even dirtier word than **** **** **** and last but not least ****
-Loner satus? If Marvel wanted Spidey to be a loner... Why did they allow him to become an Avenger... (not a Reserve one... a Full-fledged Avenger even moving in with them...)
 
-Old supporting cast... did we really need the Devil to bring them back? Wait, Carlie, Lilly, Vin, DB... They were part of the OLD CAST?

Their pretty much just cookie cutter versions of the silver age cast. Still counts. :oldrazz:

-Harry Back... Why? We've got Norman alive, why keep the weak Osborn, when we've got the Original Gobby/Osborn...

I think that it was a good idea. As soon as they brought Normie back I knew It was inevitable. I think really good things can be done with Harry. I just think he should go beyond his "loser son" status. I would love to see Harry break into his own formidable role as a villain. But as long as Normie is around he will always be in his shadow. :csad:


-Loner satus? If Marvel wanted Spidey to be a loner... Why did they allow him to become an Avenger... (not a Reserve one... a Full-fledged Avenger even moving in with them...)

I have always felt that Spidey is supposed to be a loner. When you start seeing crap like "Spider-man day" there doing it all wrong. I definitely agree with all your points. All these events were a complete and utter waste of time. They practically destroyed the book so that some fans would appreciate Brand New Day....and guess what, it worked.

Pratically 20 years of Marvel fighting the marriage with Bad writing.
 
Now I will say that I figured they would be bringing harry back long before OMD happened. Why? Because they opened that road up when they brought back Norman. If he can come back, why couldn't harry come back with an ADVANCED version of the goblin formula? :huh:

Because his supposed "advanced" formula is what killed him. That's like saying you should walk away from a crash with a race car that's faster since you took the safetey gear out.

AND since Norman came back there was no reason to also bring back Harry other than to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And even they don't seem to be biting the poop nugget at the end of Joe's fish hook. But hey if Norman came back let's bring Harry back then Bart Hamilton then Ned Leeds then Jason Macendale. Looks like Marvel's got their own Lazarus Pit with that goblin serum. Aunt May was dead and buried, she's back so let's bring Uncle Ben back. Eddie Brock came back from his death bed so let's bring back Lance Bannon, Ned Leeds(hey he works twice for this rant), and Frederick Foswell. I know Brock worked for the Globe and only the Bugle in movies and cartoons so we can justify their ressurections with the time Osborn co-owned the Bugle with Jameson.

So by your logic with the doors they opened they should use them, and bring all them back. All we need is a Stacy ressurection, but either bringing back George or Gwen first will be taboo. They should have Arthur have a heart attack flatline, get resuscitated and then it'll be perfectly acceptable for Gwen and George Stacy to claw out of their caskets. Oooh then we say that Captain Stacy is Kraven's bastard son so he and Grimm Hunter can come back too.

Is someone paying attention so we can make the Spider-Man Family Tree of Crap? Then they can draw it up and put it in Spider-Man Family to replace the shortlived Spider-Girl stories.
 
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Their pretty much just cookie cutter versions of the silver age cast. Still counts. :oldrazz:
But that's the thing... They are giving us cheap knockoffs of the originals... Instead of the originals...


I think that it was a good idea. As soon as they brought Normie back I knew It was inevitable. I think really good things can be done with Harry. I just think he should go beyond his "loser son" status. I would love to see Harry break into his own formidable role as a villain. But as long as Normie is around he will always be in his shadow. :csad:
I'm not too into having the Osborns running about, but so far Harry's been... well... Harry. I hope that the Harry/Norman relationship grows from the:
Harry-"I love my daddy he's super cool..."
Everyone else-"Harry Your dad's a *****ebag..."
Harry-"He's the world's best dad..."
Norman-"You're the worst excuse for a son. An amoeba has better children than you... Gabriel and Sarah are better children than you'll ever be!!! MMMM!! I'll never forget the night I boinked that Stacy girl... I hear she's got a cousin..."
Harry-"I love you dad..."


I have always felt that Spidey is supposed to be a loner. When you start seeing crap like "Spider-man day" there doing it all wrong. I definitely agree with all your points. All these events were a complete and utter waste of time. They practically destroyed the book so that some fans would appreciate Brand New Day....and guess what, it worked.
I feel that an occasional team-up is ok, but having him as a full-time full-fledged Avenger was a bad move... but what do I know? I'm just a raving mad internet using pro gay marriage fanboy and somewhat of a nerd and whatever Marvel's calling me these days... I can't keep track of all of the insults...

Pratically 20 years of Marvel fighting the marriage with Bad writing.
Amen...

About Mephisto, why isn't he like, eliminating more marriages to stick it up to God? Since he would need to taint more souls to prove that he can beat God at his own game... Why hasn't he gone to Storm and Black Panther, or Reed and Sue? And why Franklin hasn't been Mystically aborted, or Cable, or Rachel Grey, cause having babies is bad as well... even if some of these babies are from alternate timelines... Or Why hasn't he gone to Banner and trade the Son of Hulk for Betty Ross' life? I'm sure Brucie wouldn't mind...
 
I feel that an occasional team-up is ok, but having him as a full-time full-fledged Avenger was a bad move... but what do I know? I'm just a raving mad internet using pro gay marriage fanboy and somewhat of a nerd and whatever Marvel's calling me these days... I can't keep track of all of the insults...

LOL....so true.....!!! I am glad a business can say that about their customers and not have to apoligize. Instead of all these gov't bailouts, these others failing business's should try the "marvel strategy". Give their customers a new controversial and un-asked for product and then insult them!...lol


About Mephisto, why isn't he like, eliminating more marriages to stick it up to God? Since he would need to taint more souls to prove that he can beat God at his own game... Why hasn't he gone to Storm and Black Panther, or Reed and Sue? And why Franklin hasn't been Mystically aborted, or Cable, or Rachel Grey, cause having babies is bad as well... even if some of these babies are from alternate timelines... Or Why hasn't he gone to Banner and trade the Son of Hulk for Betty Ross' life? I'm sure Brucie wouldn't mind...

Yeh...now that they've set up Mephisto's new time altering world mind wiping abilities...and his marriage motives..i expect him to be elsewhere at some point, trying to revive other old ladies in exchage for marriages.

But would the the Black Panther or Reed give up their marriages to him??

I think not. :csad: Those are heroes.
 
Yeh...now that they've set up Mephisto's new time altering world mind wiping abilities...and his marriage motives..i expect him to be elsewhere at some point, trying to revive other old ladies in exchage for marriages.

But would the the Black Panther or Reed give up their marriages to him??

I think not. :csad: Those are heroes.

But We thought that Peter Parker wouldn't unmask in front of a tv audience...
We thought that Peter would've declined Mephisto's offer...
What If Mephisto offers Reed the cure to Ben Grimm's disfigurement while keeping the thing's powers for Sue's marriage...

What If Mephisto offers Storm peace for all mutants?

Nah... Maybe if Mephisto offered them a free meal at IHOP... Now no one can say no to pancakes...
 
This article specifies that they did not have a plan to address Harry's return...

Show me where it states that they DID NOT HAVE A PLAN on ANYTHING?

If you're going to make such comments, provide links please...

:yay:

the article states fairly clearly that OMD was written (though rewritten towards the end suddenly) and the manifesto was made up and that's about it. So they really didn't, why else has it taken 11 months (or 3 years worth of stories) to start explaining things? Simple answer. They had to make them up and try and make them fit. Remember originally OMD would have been different and Gwen Stacy was supposed to magically come back but that all changed. So things like what happened during the time period, the marriage, everything beyond that, the memory wipe of the planet, etc was a last minute adjustment on what Joey Q wanted without reason or sense. "we don't have to explain it, it's magic". So yeah, beyond what's in the manifesto (and that didn't actually have explainations only the new status quo) they didn't have ANYTHING planned. But I invite you to show a link that says otherwise. My link would be at the beginning thread.


"It's their character and they can do whatever they want... if they felt like he wasn't where they wanted him to be, who the hell are you to think otherwise? If the fans dictated the outcome of Spider-Man's life, he'd still be with Mary Jan... err, no wait a minute, he'd be with the Black Ca... no, uhmmm, he'd be with Gwen Sta... geez, no that's not right... yeah, he'd still be dating Betty Brant... and the Black costume would have never made an appearance... it's not like the fans were bored with the red'n blues... and all Norman Osborn would have never "died" in ASM #122 (neither would Gwen), because it's the "fans" who get the final say on how "Spider-Man" should be handled..."



And it's not just their character to do whatever they want with. They're simply the newest set of writers on the character, they do not represent all of Marvel past, present and future. They didn't create the character, they haven't written him the longest, they're just the new guys. Who the hell are we? We're the fans, we're the customers, we're the guys that defend Peter Parker nerdishly on the internets. That used to mean something, or do you think your own opinion is useless and you yourself are meaningless, just a cog that buys whatever your told without question by the "ones who know best"? If that was true the clone saga would have taken. It didn't because of us meaningless little people deciding to stop buying. Who the hell are we? We're just the ones that will eventually make marvel fix this mess and make spider-man a hero again. With that kind of power, maybe we the fans are the true owners of the character (with the exceptions of Lee and Ditko) as we have the power to void what these "current owners do"

For your examples: If the fans really wanted him to be with Brant or Gwen or Felicia he would be. No one at marvel liked the marriage at first but the fans did, so it stayed. The black costume was temporary like most of his alternate costumes, permenant (such as mystical abortions, liferape, and character rape) is different from temporary (costume changes, small personality changes based on events, etc), no one cares about temporary changes enough to boycott things. Norman didn't actually die in that issue after all. If people wanted Gwen back she would be. Hell Joe wanted her back but was voted down by everyone.
 
I'm glad Marvel's finally being honest about some things like Harry. I didnt know that Peter was also wondering how Harry was alive, Peter seems to be acting like everything's normal, he's not even acknowledging the fact that " Holy crap! my best friend in the world is alive?!? How??". Thats the problem with this BND direction, we have no freaking idea what Peter Parker knows or doesn't know about the world around him. Are his memories altered? Are they the same? Does he remember mephisto? Does he remember aunt may getting shot? Does he remember nearly killing kingpin with his mask off? Shouldn't we at least know what our own protagonist is thinking? Again i think the writers are purposely choosing not to reference anything from JMS' stories because they want this to feel "brand new" instead of just a continuation of JMS' run. But if they're doing that then they can't blame us for thinking that this world feels disconnected from JMS'. But in all fairness BND has had some very bright spots and recent stories have been very enjoyable, i just wish the writers would make Spidey's world feel more connected to his past or at least make references from the past so that it feels like the same world instead of a "Brand new" one.
 
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^^ Very well said. I have NO IDEA what ANYONE is thinking. Villians with partial memories...the entire planet mindwiped partially and doesn't care....who on earth knows what Pete knows or remembers about ANYTHING....What does MJ know?....and then there is WHAT IF Aunt May finds out and knows anything (that she owes her life to the devil)...that would be catastrophic!!! Why is HArry alive. Does Pete care or notice? Who knows!!!!!!

What do the avengers know or remember? Can they remember aunt may and mj or are mj and aunt may's faces in avengers tower pixelated??

I mean, EVERYONE must be a "BLURRY PIXLE FACE" now...villians see blurry past pixels...avengers see blurry pixels of people in their memories...sheesh....what is fuzzy for PEte..who knows!??

I mean, everything MUST BE a partial memory because no one can logically remember anything fully or it wouldn't make sense. It is already stated they can remember civil war and then unmasking but can't remember the unmasking fully either.

But then, no one in the entire world comments about their partial amnesia and brain damage either. Prof X, Strange, Reed...none of them are investigating their brain damage. No one cares. There is no impact.
 
the article states fairly clearly that OMD was written (though rewritten towards the end suddenly) and the manifesto was made up and that's about it. So they really didn't, why else has it taken 11 months (or 3 years worth of stories) to start explaining things? Simple answer. They had to make them up and try and make them fit. Remember originally OMD would have been different and Gwen Stacy was supposed to magically come back but that all changed. So things like what happened during the time period, the marriage, everything beyond that, the memory wipe of the planet, etc was a last minute adjustment on what Joey Q wanted without reason or sense. "we don't have to explain it, it's magic". So yeah, beyond what's in the manifesto (and that didn't actually have explainations only the new status quo) they didn't have ANYTHING planned. But I invite you to show a link that says otherwise. My link would be at the beginning thread.


"It's their character and they can do whatever they want... if they felt like he wasn't where they wanted him to be, who the hell are you to think otherwise? If the fans dictated the outcome of Spider-Man's life, he'd still be with Mary Jan... err, no wait a minute, he'd be with the Black Ca... no, uhmmm, he'd be with Gwen Sta... geez, no that's not right... yeah, he'd still be dating Betty Brant... and the Black costume would have never made an appearance... it's not like the fans were bored with the red'n blues... and all Norman Osborn would have never "died" in ASM #122 (neither would Gwen), because it's the "fans" who get the final say on how "Spider-Man" should be handled..."



And it's not just their character to do whatever they want with. They're simply the newest set of writers on the character, they do not represent all of Marvel past, present and future. They didn't create the character, they haven't written him the longest, they're just the new guys. Who the hell are we? We're the fans, we're the customers, we're the guys that defend Peter Parker nerdishly on the internets. That used to mean something, or do you think your own opinion is useless and you yourself are meaningless, just a cog that buys whatever your told without question by the "ones who know best"? If that was true the clone saga would have taken. It didn't because of us meaningless little people deciding to stop buying. Who the hell are we? We're just the ones that will eventually make marvel fix this mess and make spider-man a hero again. With that kind of power, maybe we the fans are the true owners of the character (with the exceptions of Lee and Ditko) as we have the power to void what these "current owners do"

For your examples: If the fans really wanted him to be with Brant or Gwen or Felicia he would be. No one at marvel liked the marriage at first but the fans did, so it stayed. The black costume was temporary like most of his alternate costumes, permenant (such as mystical abortions, liferape, and character rape) is different from temporary (costume changes, small personality changes based on events, etc), no one cares about temporary changes enough to boycott things. Norman didn't actually die in that issue after all. If people wanted Gwen back she would be. Hell Joe wanted her back but was voted down by everyone.


Very true. We all do decide what happens to an extent. If 75% of the readership stopped buying Amazing, you can bet that Marvel would be wanting to cater to the fans.
 
I'm glad Marvel's finally being honest about some things like Harry. I didnt know that Peter was also wondering how Harry was alive, Peter seems to be acting like everything's normal, he's not even acknowledging the fact that " Holy crap! my best friend in the world is alive?!? How??". Thats the problem with this BND direction, we have no freaking idea what Peter Parker knows or doesn't know about the world around him. Are his memories altered? Are they the same? Does he remember mephisto? Does he remember aunt may getting shot? Does he remember nearly killing kingpin with his mask off? Shouldn't we at least know what our own protagonist is thinking.
I agree. This is a big problem with BND. Peter Parker is no longer our lens as the audience. We're on completely different pages with our own leading character -- how are we supposed to connect with him and what he is experiencing?

Things like the status of his secret identity and how he thinks his best friend came back from the dead -- these are things that affect him every day: we need to know what he knows.
 
I'm glad Marvel's finally being honest about some things like Harry. I didnt know that Peter was also wondering how Harry was alive, Peter seems to be acting like everything's normal, he's not even acknowledging the fact that " Holy crap! my best friend in the world is alive?!? How??". Thats the problem with this BND direction, we have no freaking idea what Peter Parker knows or doesn't know about the world around him. Are his memories altered? Are they the same? Does he remember mephisto? Does he remember aunt may getting shot? Does he remember nearly killing kingpin with his mask off? Shouldn't we at least know what our own protagonist is thinking? Again i think the writers are purposely choosing not to reference anything from JMS' stories because they want this to feel "brand new" instead of just a continuation of JMS' run. But if they're doing that then they can't blame us for thinking that this world feels disconnected from JMS'. But in all fairness BND has had some very bright spots and recent stories have been very enjoyable, i just wish the writers would make Spidey's world feel more connected to his past or at least make references from the past so that it feels like the same world instead of a "Brand new" one.

Good post.
I pointed this out as well in another post....
That's my big complaint about BND.

Peter Parker doesn't even seem to know anything at all that's going on around him. It's like this Brand New Day Peter has no worries.

Yet we anti-BND fans get criticized for "wanting to know the answers quickly." Which is not true in any sense

If these topics were being addressed within the book rather than constantly in interviews there would not be many complaints.

We've had 3 years worth of issues and the only serious movement towards the secrets of the unmasking is two lines of dialogue. "what we did is still in place." and the magic wand reference Ben Urich made with Peter's following reaction.

The answers are coming
The answers are coming
The answers are coming

That sounds like they are still trying to figure it out themselves. That's there only real defense.

Good stories tell themselves. They shouldn't have to reduce themselves to interviews...and I've never seen a book resort to interviews as much as ASM has now.

EDIT: My bad Miken. You were right about Harry dying because of the goblin formula....I forgot.
Forgive me? :csad:
 
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^ Thanks Styleshift and you made an excellent point too. Marvel's relying heavily upon interviews these days on explaining everything BND related. That SHOULDNT be the case, the book should explain itself. It really ticks me off when the BND writers say " I dont understand what everybody's so mad about EVERYTHING STILL HAPPENED THE SAME.". HOW exaclty were we supposed to know that? Its easy for them to say because they know everything about what's going to happen to spider-man, but if you just read the books and ignore the interviews, there is NO indication that "EVERYTHING HAPPENED THE SAME". Like i said the book currently reads like its a "brand new" world, if you read JMS' run and then jump into this one, there is zero continuity and not even any references to make it seem like its the same world. The only small reference we got was in #546 where Peter's getting interviewed and it's mentioned that he was once a teacher, besides that though, Peter doesn't acknowledge anything thats happened to him the last 5-6 years, and those years were a very crucial time in his life and i'm not even talking about Civil War. I just want to know what Pete'rs thinking, what does he know? How were we supposed to know that Peter didnt know that Harry was alive? If you read the end of OMD where Harry comes back, it seems like everybody knew Harry was alive all along.
 
Does Pete know he lived at Avengers Tower, for instance? (and that Aunt May and MJ were with him??)

And if so, IF he does know that he did, does he know he can't talk about it to the Avengers?

If he did, they would logically know his identity again. The Avengers can't be allowed to have memories unless they are blurry ones, or they would know everything. Thus, PEte, if he DOES know he lived there, can't ever REFERENCE his past, because with all the alterations in time, it wouldlogically make no sense to comment on anything that he has/hasn't experienced because it would contradict the mindwipes.
 
Does Pete know he lived at Avengers Tower, for instance? (and that Aunt May and MJ were with him??)

And if so, IF he does know that he did, does he know he can't talk about it to the Avengers?

If he did, they would logically know his identity again. The Avengers can't be allowed to have memories unless they are blurry ones, or they would know everything. Thus, PEte, if he DOES know he lived there, can't ever REFERENCE his past, because with all the alterations in time, it wouldlogically make no sense to comment on anything that he has/hasn't experienced because it would contradict the mindwipes.

I guess we'll have to wait and see... :woot: :woot: :woot:

:cwink:
 
I guess we'll have to wait and see... :woot: :woot: :woot:

:cwink:

Now don't complain if we haters use the It's Magic no need to explain it... cause "wait and see" is just as tiresome... :cwink:
We've waited nearly three years of issues... and all we've got is Jackflop's Id... Will we have to wait three more years for some answers? Or will we get the answers through interviews... (which seem to be needed as companions to the books)
 
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Now don't complain if we haters use the It's Magic no need to explain it... cause "wait and see" is just as tiresome... :cwink:
We've waited nearly three years of issues... and all we've got is Jackflop's Id... Will we have to wait three more years for some answers? Or will we get the answers through interviews... (which seem to be needed as companions to the books)

It's only been 11 months... yes, nearly 36 issues of ASM, but that's no different than previous years' worth of 36 Spider-Mnan comics published... 12 of each called a different Adjective Spider-Man... and by year's end, we'll know about Harry's return...

And IN MY OPINION... the only reason the interviews feel "needed" as companions is because nobody has the patience to wait anymore... By April of this year, everybody was fuming over the fact that things were "different" and we didn't STILL know why... and as I've mentioned before, there was precedance in ASM to have sub-plots dangle for YEARS before we saw fruition... the most memorable being the Burglar (unbeknowst to the reader at the time) making a one panel appearance in front of Aunt May's house in ASM #170 (his first since AF #15) only to reappear in ASM #193 and the story culminate in ASM #200... That's 2 1/2 YEARS!!!! :wow: :wow: :wow:

Just my thoughts... :yay:
 
It's only been 11 months... yes, nearly 36 issues of ASM, but that's no different than previous years' worth of 36 Spider-Mnan comics published... 12 of each called a different Adjective Spider-Man... and by year's end, we'll know about Harry's return...And IN MY OPINION... the only reason the interviews feel "needed" as companions is because nobody has the patience to wait anymore...

Those "different Adjective" stories all had normal pacing. It's just placing them in continuity that pisses people off....:o

It's their character. Your opinion no longer counts.
Just kiddin TMOB :cwink:

These Interviews are being used to defend and promote the book. It doesn't have anything to do about "impatient fans". That's just what they keep spitting. Believe it or not I've paid for a couple of issues because of you. I do/can/and will listen (NWTD PART 1-3.) Other than that I read from a friend that is mindlessly collecting the book even though it doesn't interest him.


By April of this year, everybody was fuming over the fact that things were "different" and we didn't STILL know why... and as I've mentioned before, there was precedance in ASM to have sub-plots dangle for YEARS before we saw fruition... the most memorable being the Burglar (unbeknowst to the reader at the time) making a one panel appearance in front of Aunt May's house in ASM #170 (his first since AF #15) only to reappear in ASM #193 and the story culminate in ASM #200... That's 2 1/2 YEARS!!!! :wow: :wow: :wow:

Just my thoughts... :yay:


The difference between this and the burglar subplot would be that it wasn't left dangling. The story was revisited. Comparing Gwen Stacy and Tommy Lee Jo....er Norman Osborn's Horizontal dance fiasco would be a better comparison of such a subplot.

It wasn't left dangling but it was revisited. I'm a strong believer in the fact that as long as you try to "imitate something". You can not achieve something better.

That's why The X-men, Batman, and DareDevil,among other franchises are all doing so well. All of them are drastically different than when they started.

As generations changed so did they. That's why I believe Brand New Day won't last for too long...
 
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It's only been 11 months... yes, nearly 36 issues of ASM, but that's no different than previous years' worth of 36 Spider-Mnan comics published... 12 of each called a different Adjective Spider-Man... and by year's end, we'll know about Harry's return...

And IN MY OPINION... the only reason the interviews feel "needed" as companions is because nobody has the patience to wait anymore... By April of this year, everybody was fuming over the fact that things were "different" and we didn't STILL know why... and as I've mentioned before, there was precedance in ASM to have sub-plots dangle for YEARS before we saw fruition... the most memorable being the Burglar (unbeknowst to the reader at the time) making a one panel appearance in front of Aunt May's house in ASM #170 (his first since AF #15) only to reappear in ASM #193 and the story culminate in ASM #200... That's 2 1/2 YEARS!!!! :wow: :wow: :wow:

Just my thoughts... :yay:

It's been nearly 3 years of Amazing Spidey, yet we've got not much to go regarding the explanations... They're coming... They're coming... Yet I feel like I'm waiting for Godot here... or Baby May's status... before OMD.

I see that you're using the ASM x3= ASM+SPSM+FNSM defense... Which I don't believe in it because thanks to the Rotating Teams it feels that We're only getting ONLY ASM for 3 "months" then Spectacular or Sensational Spider-Man the following 3 and then We get Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for the following 3...
So If I do not like one or two of the teams I have to spend 3-6 "months" without reading Spidey until the Team I like returns...

Regarding the Interview as book companions... I blame the braintrust... because most of the plotlines (or holes) that need answering are being dangled on the interviews rather than the books... Now that you used the Burglar subplot that dangled for 2 1/2 years... We've spent about the same amount of issues waiting for all of these big answers to suplots dangled by interviews... cause so far the only subplots dangling on the books are Menace and the Spider-Tracer Killer... which I don't care about... Meanwhile I'm interested in finding out How the Heck Harry is alive? IF all the issues happened exactly the same, why the Heck no one had wondered these past few "months"... (nearly 3 "years" of issues for us) If Harry was dead why is he alive?
What was the non-Magical remasking method? Why no one remembers the Parkers kicking it at the Avengers' crib? Or do they remember a hot chick, an old lady and an annoying geek whose faces are kinda blurry...

my two cents on your two cents on my two cents post the defense of the It's Magic defense by attacking the "wait and see" defense used to counter the "it's Magic" defense... Man! this is getting confusing...
 
But guys, don't you get it? Peter Parker's getting too old, he needs to be younger! lol :whatever: Whatever. I can't believe Peter went from being a teacher to trying to become a taxi driver. I get it, Peter's supposed to be the "hard-luck" guy but they didnt have to regress him that much.
 
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I see that you're using the ASM x3= ASM+SPSM+FNSM defense... Which I don't believe in it because thanks to the Rotating Teams it feels that We're only getting ONLY ASM for 3 "months" then Spectacular or Sensational Spider-Man the following 3 and then We get Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for the following 3...
So If I do not like one or two of the teams I have to spend 3-6 "months" without reading Spidey until the Team I like returns...

Thank you! :applaud
When I was trying to explain that for some reason no one could grasp that concept.

Any story Bob Gale has written thus far is not worth the cover price. (Save for that one issue he wrote with the Spider-man doppleganger. The first part showed a glimpse of hope that he would write better, but he dropped the ball again of course.)

But your forced to skip and miss a tidbit that may be vital to a future story....or you have to buy something you know your not going to enjoy.

Where as with the separate titles you had choice and preference between styles. Subplots that were in a particular book stayed in that book....
I didn't care for the fact that it was hard to fit them in as the same Spidey. But I always saw it as a strength in some respects as well.
 
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I see that you're using the ASM x3= ASM+SPSM+FNSM defense... Which I don't believe in it because thanks to the Rotating Teams it feels that We're only getting ONLY ASM for 3 "months" then Spectacular or Sensational Spider-Man the following 3 and then We get Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for the following 3...
So If I do not like one or two of the teams I have to spend 3-6 "months" without reading Spidey until the Team I like returns...

I understand your point, but to counter that wait, once you get to that month, you get 3 issues all at once.

Did you like getting 1 issue a month 3 months, or did you like getting 3 issues in Month 1 and then have and empty Month 2 and Month 3? In the end you still get 3 issues every 3 months. It's all a personal opinion which way works better, and no way is really better than the other.

Luckily for people like me, I'm loving the whole Brain Trust right now so I don't have much of a wait at all! :)
 
It's been nearly 3 years of Amazing Spidey, yet we've got not much to go regarding the explanations... They're coming... They're coming... Yet I feel like I'm waiting for Godot here... or Baby May's status... before OMD.

I see that you're using the ASM x3= ASM+SPSM+FNSM defense... Which I don't believe in it because thanks to the Rotating Teams it feels that We're only getting ONLY ASM for 3 "months" then Spectacular or Sensational Spider-Man the following 3 and then We get Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for the following 3...
So If I do not like one or two of the teams I have to spend 3-6 "months" without reading Spidey until the Team I like returns...

Regarding the Interview as book companions... I blame the braintrust... because most of the plotlines (or holes) that need answering are being dangled on the interviews rather than the books... Now that you used the Burglar subplot that dangled for 2 1/2 years... We've spent about the same amount of issues waiting for all of these big answers to suplots dangled by interviews... cause so far the only subplots dangling on the books are Menace and the Spider-Tracer Killer... which I don't care about... Meanwhile I'm interested in finding out How the Heck Harry is alive? IF all the issues happened exactly the same, why the Heck no one had wondered these past few "months"... (nearly 3 "years" of issues for us) If Harry was dead why is he alive?
What was the non-Magical remasking method? Why no one remembers the Parkers kicking it at the Avengers' crib? Or do they remember a hot chick, an old lady and an annoying geek whose faces are kinda blurry...

my two cents on your two cents on my two cents post the defense of the It's Magic defense by attacking the "wait and see" defense used to counter the "it's Magic" defense... Man! this is getting confusing...

One potato Two potato Three potato Four... :woot: :woot: :woot:

There's also the JJJ's health/marital status sub-plot... which feels more like they're concentrating on certain characters... which is good.

In any event, I'm liking the current direction, and it's been feeling more like a smooth flow since the first 4 months, when it felt like the new writers just wanted to get their feet wet... currently, especially with Steve as Editor, the stories have a better flow in my opinion, which just bodes well for future storytelling.

I appreciate you giving some of the books the benefit of the doubt and checking them out... it makes your opinions seem more "valid" as opposed to a stupid "BND sucks" type of arrogant post... :up:

Cheers...

:yay:
 
I understand your point, but to counter that wait, once you get to that month, you get 3 issues all at once.

Did you like getting 1 issue a month 3 months, or did you like getting 3 issues in Month 1 and then have and empty Month 2 and Month 3? In the end you still get 3 issues every 3 months. It's all a personal opinion which way works better, and no way is really better than the other.

Luckily for people like me, I'm loving the whole Brain Trust right now so I don't have much of a wait at all! :)

There's no comparison here. What-so-ever.
ASM 3X a month is the same book.

That's 2.99 plus Tax three times per month just to keep up with one title.

I really don't want to pay that much money to follow a book thats been barely moving.....


I still don't understand how you are comparing three different choices to one.
If you refuse to buy Bob Gale's books because they suck than it hurts your run and you will be confused in the long run.

(Such as the camera tracking device that was introduced)

The 3 monthly titles never dipped into each other like that. Never. Why? because this is one title. Not 3.


Not everybody bought all 3 titles believe it or not.
I always stuck with whoever I felt was writing better at the time. The 3 titles barely ever referenced each other so it made it easy to alternate.
Now if I were reading ASM. I have to quit with no alternative to look forward to. That's a month worth of Spidey comics I had to miss out on just because Gale sucks so bad.

(Keep in mind that I'm not a fan of how continuity was often bended by the extra titles. But I did love the option when I had it. :yay:)
 
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