psychosis

[Daisy]

Drugs are just about the same answer religon is.

Hardly.

Saying this, you sound just like Cruise.

 

[Kritish]

Don't feel bad, here's the cure.

 

[jaguarr]

Don't feel bad, here's the cure.

Why don't you make a video demonstrating how it's used, Lord Siva?

jag

 

[Kritish]

Why don't you make a video demonstrating how it's used, Lord Siva?

jag

You'd like that wouldn't you ?

 

[Daisy]

Interesting: "What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. No beliefs should be forced as "true" on anyone." - from the article jag quoted.

I guess Tom Cruise still has some work to do to become a good Scientologist.

 

[jaguarr]

You'd like that wouldn't you ?

jag

 

[Daisy]

You'd like that wouldn't you ?

I know I would.

 

[jaguarr]

Interesting: "What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. No beliefs should be forced as "true" on anyone." - from the article jag quoted.

I guess Tom Cruise still has some work to do to become a good Scientologist.

That's one of the many reasons he's earned the "A-Hole" moniker.

jag

 

[Kritish]

jag

I would support your decision to use it.

I'd even buy the bullets for you.

 

[jaguarr]

I would support your decision to use it.

I'd even buy the bullets for you.

I'd shoot you.

jag

 

[Super Flight]

Let me just say this. You are truly fortunate to have access to the psychotropic medicines available these days. 50 years ago there was little they could do to help you. You should watch Jack Nicholson's "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"(1975). It gives insight to what it was like before prescription drugs were specialized.
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I bought that on dvd last year and really loved it, it was a great film.
have you seen A beautiful mind? its one of my all time favorite films, it also goes into mental illness and how sad and scary it can be to just any innocent person. watching a movie like this opens your mind more and makes you feel more careing for others that less fourtunate then you. Mental illness is one of the saddest issues. people should have the chance to view life at a humans fullests and not of somthing less.

 

[Daisy]

That's one of the many reasons he's earned the "A-Hole" moniker.

jag

Then, of course, there's the whole issue of Hubbard only declaring his war on psychology and psychaitry after he had tried to assert Dianetics was a new form of psycotherapy, and the APA disagreed with him and cautioned it's members to not use it with their patients until there was more information on its effectiveness as a treatment.

Kinda sounds like 'sour grapes' on Hubbard's part.

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Hardly.

Saying this, you sound just like Cruise.

No, they really are. You're partaking in escaping common reality and defying yourself. For my money, drugs are more fun though.

If Tom Cruise believed what I was saying, he'd be a crack head like everyone else in Hollywood, rather than the psycho that he is.

 

[Daisy]

No, they really are. You're partaking in escaping common reality and defying yourself. For my money, drugs are more fun though.

If Tom Cruise believed what I was saying, he'd be a crack head like everyone else in Hollywood, rather than the psycho that he is.

You might want to go back and read the thread. We're not talking about that kind of drugs.

There's no escaping common reality and defying yourself with anti-depressants. If there were, there's be a HUGE illegal trade in them like there is in vicodin and other such things... whereas no such thing exists. Prozac doesn't have a street value.

And medications for treating things like schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder... well, they have the exact opposite effect to 'escaping common reality and defiying yourself'. They actually help people JOIN common reality and listen to their 'rational' selves.

 

[jaguarr]

Then, of course, there's the whole issue of Hubbard only declaring his war on psychology and psychaitry after he had tried to assert Dianetics was a new form of psycotherapy, and the APA disagreed with him and cautioned it's members to not use it with their patients until there was more information on its effectiveness as a treatment.

Kinda sounds like 'sour grapes' on Hubbard's part.

Not to mention (and I'm paraprhasing) Hubbard's assertion that the quickest way to get filthy rich is to invent your own religion and get people to subscribe to it. Sort of explains how Scientology probably got started in the first place.

jag

 

[Daisy]

Not to mention (and I'm paraprhasing) Hubbard's assertion that the quickest way to get filthy rich is to invent your own religion and get people to subscribe to it. Sort of explains how Scientology probably got started in the first place.

jag

Yes, there's that too.

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

I think anti-depressants screw you up pretty well, it's more dangerous because the mind altered state is more subtle. Other people have to tell you you're different. I'd go natural.

 

[Harlekin]

50 years ago there was little they could do to help you. You should watch Jack Nicholson's "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"(1975). It gives insight to what it was like before prescription drugs were specialized.

Ugh. Don't ever do that again. 'Jack Nicholson's One Flew...'.

Read the book. Always read the book (by Ken Kesey by the way, and it's way better than the film).

 

[Super Flight]

You might want to go back and read the thread. We're not talking about that kind of drugs.

There's no escaping common reality and defying yourself with anti-depressants. If there were, there's be a HUGE illegal trade in them like there is in vicodin and other such things... whereas no such thing exists. Prozac doesn't have a street value.

And medications for treating things like schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder... well, they have the exact opposite effect to 'escaping common reality and defiying yourself'. They actually help people JOIN common reality and listen to their 'rational' selves.

And thats exactly what i want to feel like, thats why i never done durgs/alcohol. Becasue i knew it would make me feel much much worse , and i never wanted to either

 

[Daisy]

I think anti-depressants screw you up pretty well, it's more dangerous because the mind altered state is more subtle. Other people have to tell you you're different. I'd go natural.

Actually, that's totally bull.

You recognize something is wrong with the way you're thinking/or the way your mind is working... that's why you go and get help. No one has to tell you.

Also, anti-depressants don't screw you up. They make you feel 'normal', which is again why there's no street market for them. In most cases (there are some older drugs that are still around for which this isn't true), someone who isn't depressed, who takes an anti-depressant wouldn't notice an effect at all, whereas it can be like flipping a switch for a depressed person. They go in crying and barely able to function in their own life because of crippling negative though-loops, and after taking medication... as soon as three days later (in some cases) the crying uncontrolably and loops go away. Sometimes, however, it takes some trials to find the right medication and dosage for a particular patient Effectiveness of various meds in an individual patient can vary widely, but this isn't true just of anti-depressants... things like migraine medications are the same way... even chemotherapy drugs are tailored to a particular patient.

 

[Daisy]

And thats exactly what i want to feel like, thats why i never done durgs/alcohol. Becasue i knew it would make me feel much much worse , and i never wanted to either

That's very true. 'Self-medicating' with alcohol and other substances can make you far worse off.

Work with your doctor to find a medication that works for you.

 

[Super Flight]

however, it takes some trials to find the right medication and dosage for a particular patient Effectiveness of various meds in an individual patient can vary widely, but this isn't true just of anti-depressants...

yea thats where i am now, zoloff didnt work for me, so i'll prolly have to be given somthing else. It may also depend on how long you've felt bad, so perhaps that type of one isnt strong enough for me to notice anything.

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Actually, that's totally bull.

You recognize something is wrong with the way you're thinking/or the way your mind is working... that's why you go and get help. No one has to tell you.

Also, anti-depressants don't screw you up. They make you feel 'normal', which is again why there's no street market for them. In most cases (there are some older drugs that are still around for which this isn't true), someone who isn't depressed, who takes an anti-depressant wouldn't notice an effect at all, whereas it can be like flipping a switch for a depressed person. They go in crying and barely able to function in their own life because of crippling negative though-loops, and after taking medication... as soon as three days later (in some cases) the crying uncontrolably and loops go away. Sometimes, however, it takes some trials to find the right medication and dosage for a particular patient Effectiveness of various meds in an individual patient can vary widely, but this isn't true just of anti-depressants... things like migraine medications are the same way... even chemotherapy drugs are tailored to a particular patient.

It works for some, not for others. By no means does it have the same effect on everybody. For some, it even effects them negatively, for others, why would they want to get "cured." It's just something that makes you an individual, we are all built differently and any description of what is "normal" is just trying to normalise people.. People are different, not all people are created equally, this is the natural aspect of our pychoisis.

 

[Daisy]

yea thats where i am now, zoloff didnt work for me, so i'll prolly have to be given somthing else. It may also depend on how long you've felt bad, so perhaps that type of one isnt strong enough for me to notice anything.

It's not really that one is strong enough or not... different ones simply work better on differnt people.

If you've only tried one, there're still a lot of options left... Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Paxil, even Prozac... among many others. And even if the SSRIs don't work (that's what all of those are and the preferred type for treating depression these days), there's still MAOI inhibitors. Doctors try not to use them because there's some lifestyle restrictions that go with them (like you can't eat aged cheese), but if that's what it takes for you, I expect the trade-off would be worth it.

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

Most of all, I love the ones that cause Erectile Dysfunction in men. That totally backfires. To a lot of men, that's everything to them.