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Every so often I come across a thread or post where some are saying that Two-Face was treated in TDK like Venom was treated in SM3. I want to put an end to this. Here are a few reasons I feel that Two-Face was not treated like Venom:
1.) Harvey Dent was a fleshed-out character. Eddie Brock...not so much.
Harvey Dent’s fall is arguably more complex and compelling than Eddie Brock’s in Spider-Man 3. This is largely due to the fact that Dent had significantly more screen time than Brock; in fact, many have acknowledged that Harvey Two-Face is as large a character in TDK as Bruce Wayne/Batman and The Joker were.
2.) Two-Face appeared in more scenes/had more screen time than Venom.
Dent appears in seven scenes as his scarred, alter-ego:
(1) Hospital scene with his scarred coin. (46 seconds)
(2) Hospital scene with Gordon. (1 minute, 39 seconds)
(3) Hospital scene with the Joker. (4 minutes, 23 seconds)
(4) Bar scene with Wuertz. (1 minute, 2 seconds)
(5) Limo scene with Maroni. (1 minute, 35 seconds)
(6) Alleyway scene with Ramirez. (47 seconds)
(7) Hostage scene with Gordon and Batman. (8 minutes, 13 seconds)
Total: 18 minutes, 15 seconds
Venom, on the other hand, appears in less than half as many scenes with, also, less than half as much screen time (I believe it's around 8 minutes?).
3.) Two-Face looked more faithful than Venom.
Of course the definition of "faithful" varies, but Eddie Brock is supposed to be a body-builder, not a wise-cracking weakling. Venom is supposed to be significantly larger than Spider-Man, not slightly bigger. He also had a bizarre-looking jaw. Why was the white spider on his chest impossible to see? His voice barely changed as well. This is a fantasy world, not a realistic world like Nolan's, so why leave this stuff out? I think that most of us can agree that Harvey Two-Face was as gruesome as most of us expect the character to be, etc...
4.) Two-Face was named. Venom was not.
Self-explanatory.
Remember, this is not a which character was better? thread. This is just an attempt to end the belief that Two-Face got the shaft in the same way that Venom did in Spider-Man 3. True, we were left wanting more because Two-Face was so great while he lasted, but please, let these points persuade you that Two-Face was not treated like Venom was. I wanted more too, but I can't stand when people say Two-Face was treated like Venom.
1.) Harvey Dent was a fleshed-out character. Eddie Brock...not so much.
Harvey Dent’s fall is arguably more complex and compelling than Eddie Brock’s in Spider-Man 3. This is largely due to the fact that Dent had significantly more screen time than Brock; in fact, many have acknowledged that Harvey Two-Face is as large a character in TDK as Bruce Wayne/Batman and The Joker were.
2.) Two-Face appeared in more scenes/had more screen time than Venom.
Dent appears in seven scenes as his scarred, alter-ego:
(1) Hospital scene with his scarred coin. (46 seconds)
(2) Hospital scene with Gordon. (1 minute, 39 seconds)
(3) Hospital scene with the Joker. (4 minutes, 23 seconds)
(4) Bar scene with Wuertz. (1 minute, 2 seconds)
(5) Limo scene with Maroni. (1 minute, 35 seconds)
(6) Alleyway scene with Ramirez. (47 seconds)
(7) Hostage scene with Gordon and Batman. (8 minutes, 13 seconds)
Total: 18 minutes, 15 seconds
Venom, on the other hand, appears in less than half as many scenes with, also, less than half as much screen time (I believe it's around 8 minutes?).
3.) Two-Face looked more faithful than Venom.
Of course the definition of "faithful" varies, but Eddie Brock is supposed to be a body-builder, not a wise-cracking weakling. Venom is supposed to be significantly larger than Spider-Man, not slightly bigger. He also had a bizarre-looking jaw. Why was the white spider on his chest impossible to see? His voice barely changed as well. This is a fantasy world, not a realistic world like Nolan's, so why leave this stuff out? I think that most of us can agree that Harvey Two-Face was as gruesome as most of us expect the character to be, etc...
4.) Two-Face was named. Venom was not.
Self-explanatory.
Remember, this is not a which character was better? thread. This is just an attempt to end the belief that Two-Face got the shaft in the same way that Venom did in Spider-Man 3. True, we were left wanting more because Two-Face was so great while he lasted, but please, let these points persuade you that Two-Face was not treated like Venom was. I wanted more too, but I can't stand when people say Two-Face was treated like Venom.
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