The Dark Knight Two-Face Hype!

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Greetings Batfans!

I'm a longtime poster in "The Harvey/Dent/Two-Face Thread" over on the Spoiler boards. But as the film's release lurks closer, it seems like more and more spoilers are slipping into regular discussion. Taking that into account, perhaps its about time to create a Non-Spoiler board equivalent to that thread.

This is the place to discuss all things Two-Face. Feel free to speculate about what role you think Harvey Dent will play in "The Dark Knight". Talk about how you think Nolan will approach Dent's characterisation and psychology, and whether or not you're looking forward to Aaron Eckhart's performance.

Also, if you want to post Two-Face pics from the comics, or mention Two-Face arcs you like that you hope influence this movie interpretation, you're welcome to do that too.

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I like the idea of this thread.

Living in England we get the film a week later than US and I am keen not to have too much spoiled before its release.
 
Cool thread. My TWO FACE sanctuary from now on. I really want to avoid spoilers as much as possible. The experience is so much better when you're not spoiled. I saw everything from BB before seeing the movie, and it was still great, but I realise that the brief satisfaction of curiosity (reading spoilers) is nothing compared to sitting in the movie theater and being absolutely surprised.

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I DO NOT WANT TO SEE TWO-FACE BEFORE THE 24TH OF JULY!

I also avoided the recent leaked pic. I want Harvey's mutilation to be dramatically revealed to me in the movie. Not on some bland internetpage.
 
I was one of the unlucky ones that accidently saw the leaked concept art. so i'm in favor of this thread. :woot:
 
knowing Nolen, two-face will be a little more realistic and less purple. batman forever got two-face totally wrong. for some reason he was purple and he acted like a poorly acted The Joker. There was no duel personality there was just one, the insane person who never shuts up. Hopefully we will see the whole conflict between harvey dent and two-face and how they co-exist
 
great thread idea. I really do believe Two-Face will be represented well & make us all forget TLJs version. And for my european friends here, it sucks that you have to wait another week after many of us see it twice, my sincere apologies.
 
I'm wondering how far Harvey will go here. I'm thinking he'll just be a vigilante for this movie.
 
I was one of the unlucky ones that accidently saw the leaked concept art. so i'm in favor of this thread. :woot:

Dont worry about the "leaked concept art". I saw it also and, honestly, i really doubt thats what its gonna look like. it was TOO messed up for the situation.

He's not a zombie =)
 
Im worried about how Eckhart can pull it off but Im keeping the faith.
 
knowing Nolen, two-face will be a little more realistic and less purple. batman forever got two-face totally wrong. for some reason he was purple and he acted like a poorly acted The Joker. There was no duel personality there was just one, the insane person who never shuts up. Hopefully we will see the whole conflict between harvey dent and two-face and how they co-exist

Yeah. I hated the screaming/laughing Two-Face. Basically, he is along with Mr. Freeze one of the saddest, most tragic Batman villains. And I don't think he should run off robbing banks and ****. What I think is an interesting take on Two-Face is that after his disfigurement he continues his crusade against crime and mob, but now his darker side justifies a violent method.
 
Yeah. I hated the screaming/laughing Two-Face. Basically, he is along with Mr. Freeze one of the saddest, most tragic Batman villains. And I don't think he should run off robbing banks and ****. What I think is an interesting take on Two-Face is that after his disfigurement he continues his crusade against crime and mob, but now his darker side justifies a violent method.


I totally agree. There was so much that could be done with Two-Face, (and Mr. Freeze, for that matter) but both characters just went to waste. In this movie, I would really like to see some type of Long Halloween friendship between Gordon, Dent and Batman. That way, when Harvey becomes Two-Face, we'd get to see how Bats struggles with wanting to uphold justice when it involves someone he once considered a friend. Because really, Two-Face isn't that far removed from what Batman himself does....he just takes it to a level that Batman refuses to go.
 
:batty: I like the idea of this thread.
It's kinda of a tribute to my favorite Batman villian.
I think he should be the main villian in the third movie also it should introduce Roman Sionis aka Black Mask.
The third movie should follow Dark Victory in which Two-Face hunts down the Mafia.
 
Likely the only "freaks" in TDK will be Scarecrow, Joker, and Two-Face. We have no idea who we'll get in the third movie. I'd personally prefer to see Two-Face manipulating the mob and the freaks against each other in a war to eradicate both sides. The high count of bystanders killed would be passed off by Two-Face as martyrs for the good cause.
 
I hope that at some point Two-Face says something badass along the lines of ''You're not talking to Harvey Dent now...'' I love **** like that. There must be similair examples from TAS and the comics.
 
I didn't get a chance to see the concept pics. I'll wait until july to see how harvey gets scarred in this film and what it looks like.:huh:

I hope they have Harvey as a tragic character and a fallen hero. But the dual personalities will make him unpredictable amd sinister.

I DO hope they do similar scenes but not copy the scene in the film No Country for Old Men. The scene I'm talkin about is where Anton Chigurh flips a coin in a gas station. If ya'll seen this film, you know what I talkin about. If u didn't, look out for this scene when ya'll watch the flick. I don't want to spoil it, but it feels intense. I want this kind of dangerous feeling for Harvey as he confronts and seeks revenge on the mobsters, like Maroni. By the third film, maybe even see him become the villian.:cwink:


On a side Note: I would love to see the Black Mask or atleast Roman Sionis in the third flick but I doubt they could fit him in. If they could I wouldn't do a team up, I would rather see Two-face hunting down the Mafia like in Dark Victory and the Black Mask gaining power in Gotham's underworld to help the mafia adjust to the "freaks" with a False Face Society. Two-face is after Black mask but Bruce must stop them both. But that might be too cluttered.
 
As some of you may have gathered from my sig, I play as Harvey Dent in the One Universe RPG on these forums. He's yet to turn into Two-Face, but I've had some fun setting the seeds for it in Harvey's development. Here's one of my recent posts:


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25 Years Ago

Good boys don't do bad things!

Bad boys don't do good things!


Harvey Dent was trapped in the darkness. He didn't know how long he'd been trapped down there. He'd lost consciousness a few times, from exhaustion after all that wailing and trashing about, so he'd lost track of all sense of time. It could have been days. It could have been hours. Surely no less than hours. It was so hard to keep track! It was total darkness in here, with no light for his eyes to grow accustomed to. So he could see nothing. And ever since he'd heard his father slamming the front door above him, and the car driving away, way back...he didn't know how long ago, it had been total silence. So he could hear nothing. It was like being trapped in a black hole, a void of nothingness.

Of all the cruel punishments his father inflicted on him, the one he hated and feared most was being locked in the basement and left, cold and hungry and alone. In the dark. He was so afraid of the dark, so afraid...

"Daddy! DADDY!"

His throat was raw and hoarse from screaming. He knew his father was gone, not there to hear him. Way out here in this old farmhouse, there was nobody to hear his screams. But he screamed anyway. His own voice kept him company, and helped break that awful silence.

"I'm bad! I know I'm bad! I'm sorry! I'm bad - punish me! Bad boys get beaten, that's what you tell me Daddy! Hit me, I deserve it! Just don't leave me, Daddy! Don't leave me by myself! I love you so much Daddy, I don't want you to leave me!"

And then he broke down into incoherent sobs. That was the worst fear of all. When his father threw him down the stairs into the basement, his parting words were always the same.

I might not come back this time.

I'll just pack a bag, get in my car and leave, he'd say. No one would ever know. And it'd be your own fault. It was your fault your Mommy died and went to Heaven and left us, and it'll be your fault when I leave you. You're a bad boy, Harvey.

And he was a bad boy, Harvey Dent knew it. He loved his father, dearly, more than anything in the whole world. His father was a kind, gentle, loving man who wanted a good son who he could give all that love to. And Harvey wanted to be that good son, he truly wanted to. He tried so hard to please his father, to make him happy. Sometimes he could. But a lot of the time, no matter how hard he tried to be good, the badness in him made him do something wrong, and make his father mad, and then the monster came. It wasn't his father that hit him, that cut him, that locked him in here. No, not his Daddy. It was the monster. The monster that took over his Daddy, and forced him to do terrible things to his son. The monster that only came because, however hard he tried to be good, Harvey Dent was a bad, bad boy.

"Stop crying."

Harvey sobbed bitterly, burying his face into the cold stone floor.

"Stop crying!"

He stopped, pushing himself up into a kneeling position, and trying to stifle his sniffles.

"What good does that do, feeling sorry for yourself? It's your own fault you're in here, because you're evil, Harvey. You're a bad, horrible, evil human being. You're not good enough to have a Dad who loves you, you don't deserve a Daddy as good as the one you've got. Just pray he's forgiving enough to give you another chance."

Harvey pounded his fists - already bloodied from his scratching at the door - into the ground, letting out a wail of frustration.

"I don't want another chance from him! I hate him! I HATE HIM!"

But then he calmed himself, shaking his head feverishly.

"No no no no no. How can you say you hate your Daddy? I love my Daddy. I love my Daddy. He's right. You are bad. You're so bad."

He felt tears welling up in his eyes.

"I'm not..."

He slapped himself across the face, hard.

"Stop crying! Pitying yourself, you make me so sick, you're such a selfish little rat! I hate you! God, I hate you so much! You don't deserve to ever get out of this basement. That's why I'm leaving you down here, forever!"

Confusion blurred young Harvey's mind. But that gave way to the clarity of steely resolve. He knew what he had to do.

"I am Harvey Dent..."

Shaking all over, he nevertheless forced himself to stand up, his hand on his chest as if he was swearing allegiance to the flag.

"I am good, I am honest, I am kind. I will devote my life to helping others, and protecting the innocent. I will work hard to be the very best I can be."

He slapped himself again.

"I am not the bad boy who disappoints his father, the evil little boy who can't do what he's told."

And again.

"He stays down here. He wastes away down here, in the dark, with nothing but his hatred and his cruelty to keep him company. Not me."

This time he punched himself, hard. He toppled off his feet, the blow rocking him. He spat a wad of blood onto the ground. And then it came. A low, guttural growl from the back of his throat. His teeth bared up, and he snarled like a wild animal. It was the badness in him!

"Get away from me! GET AWAY FROM ME!"

He struggled with himself, writhing on the floor and making inhuman noises. He tugged at his hair, feeling tufts give way in his fingers, as if he was pulling the evil out. Inside, he felt a genuine agony course through his body. He dug his fingers into the ground, ripping his nails from their fingers. It was like some kind of morbid self-exorcism, Harvey Dent determined to be a good boy for his daddy, and to rid himself of the bad boy who ruined everything once and for all.

At last, the struggle was over. And little Harvey, 8 years old, was totally spent. He lay on his back, panting, his eyes staring up into black nothingness.

"My name is Harvey Dent. I am a good person."
 
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Cool new Harvey Dent pic from the official site update. I like how in so many of these pictures, he already just looks one notch away from cracking.
 
it's showing that the concept art we saw is the closest one to how he will look
 
I don't think we'll be seeing a second personality, I think the scarring is just going to make him super cynical.
 
That is beyond awesome. Incredible tease.

(Love the cinematography in that scene aswell.)
 
If you remember in Batman TAS, when Harvey become Two-Face, he went around robbing the business fronts of the mob to get back at them. I think we'll see something similar where he's trying to still take down the mob but in an any means necessary kind of way and using the coin to decide things. However, they might be using that idea in The Dark Knight because
the bank robbery in the beginning is a bank holding mob money. But then again, the Joker's obviously not doing it for justice.

This will be cause for concern for Batman/Bruce because 1) Harvey Dent's victory was Bruce's hope for a return to normal life and 2) Batman's philosophy is justice, not killing, and to see his friend going around deviating the idea of justice will cause major conflict. They already said #1 was a big part of the theme of The Dark Knight. But I think #2 will be what drives the third film. I've been thinking of ways on how they would use Two-Face as the major vehicle for the third film and that's the way that makes the most sense to me. Something like in Batman TAS (minus all the goofy stuff like twin henchmen and only robbing places with names that are related to "two").
 
I wonder, how plausible would it be for a man to completely snap with a disfigurement. I would think he'd have to be harboring some very strong feelings for quite a while prior to the disfigurement. Now I would think that this would be something similar to the "Big Bad Harv" persona from BTAS, which seems to have Two-Face fans divided. My question is: Wouldn't harboring such dark feelings but keeping them smothered under altruism and his "Golden Boy" image make such a transformation more tragic than him just outright going crazy? You know, like the acid eats away that altruism and nobility that Dent burried his darker feelings with.
 
That is beyond awesome. Incredible tease.

(Love the cinematography in that scene aswell.)
You know, it's an awesome scene and I like what we know about the character so far, but I wish they wouldn't have revealed anything pertaining to Two Face.
 

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