Race and Gender in Marvel Movies - an all studios discussion

[Chance Jackson]

Don't forget Benicio del Toro will be in guardians of the galaxy (film).
He is Hispanic.
Benicio del Toro as Taneleer Tivan / The Collector:
An obsessive keeper of the largest collection of interstellar fauna, relics and species in the galaxy who operates out of a place in space named Knowhere. Describing del Toro's performance, Gunn said, "He's like an outer-space Liberace. That's what it says in the script, which he's kind of doing.




Benicio del Toro

completely forgot about him looking into thing further Drax is played by Dave Batista who is filipino(1/2) so I don't mind counting him too

 

[Steamteck]

Wait... that's not the case?


I also think it's extremely interesting that they're considering making a brand new heroine and origin..

Frankly , a completely new heroine would be an infinitely harder sell for me. I'm interested in seeing marvel stuff translated to the big screen not newly made up characters as leads. Then again I seem to see potential where others don't in some of these characters. ( except for Antman. I don't get Antman.)

I would go see a Captain/ Ms. Marvel or Black Widow movie in a hot minute though.

Sif would draw me in pretty quick also but I'm probably unusual there

Valkyrie is in the hot minute zone for me also.

 

[metaphysician]

Something that should perhaps be noted: the heroes of Guardians of the Galaxy are mostly aliens, natch. . . but the actors who play them? Are majority non-white.

 

[Loki882]

True, but then again some people would find that case kind of iffy because you can't really tell. The only actors that either aren't playing cgi characters or buried under tons of makeup are the white ones (Pratt, Close, Riley, etc). Del Toro just looks like the love child of David Bowie and Liberace.

 

[Dr. Evil]

The fact that only one black actress is in the MCU is a bit sad.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The fact that only one black actress is in the MCU is a bit sad.

Are you talking about zeldana? and does that even count since she's actually painted green in the movie?

 

[Chance Jackson]

The fact that only one black actress is in the MCU is a bit sad.

Which got me thinking there is also Amadour on the TV branch of the MCU

Are you talking about zeldana? and does that even count since she's actually painted green in the movie?

I think it counts but in it's own category instead of "black character" I count Gamora as a "non-human played by a black actor"

 

[metaphysician]

The fact that only one black actress is in the MCU is a bit sad.

How many black female characters does Marvel Studios have, that aren't under the control of another studio? Offhand, I can name Monica Rambeau, Misty Knight, and some supporting cast for Black Panther. That's about it.

 

[metaphysician]

Are you talking about zeldana? and does that even count since she's actually painted green in the movie?

Why wouldn't it? Zoe Saldana is still black, still female.

 

[Dr. Evil]

How many black female characters does Marvel Studios have, that aren't under the control of another studio? Offhand, I can name Monica Rambeau, Misty Knight, and some supporting cast for Black Panther. That's about it.

They can do what they did with Saldana and cast a black woman as an alien.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Why wouldn't it? Zoe Saldana is still black, still female.

Well she's not playing a black character.

Just off the top of me head in Green Latern I believe Michael Clark Duncan voiced and mo-capped Warthog. Would that count as having a black character in the DC universe?

When people talk about getting more black comic characters on film, i don't think they mean actors who happen to be black playing non human aliens.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Which got me thinking there is also Amadour on the TV branch of the MCU

The actress playing Amador has only been seen once.

And is there any reason why Marvel has yet to bring Monica Rambeau into the MCU?

 

[cherokeesam]

They can do what they did with Saldana and cast a black woman as an alien.

Or simply race-swap, since it was received well for Nick Fury and Kingpin. There's no reason that major characters like, say, Wasp or Ms. Marvel *have* to be white. In fact, they could consolidate the whole Captain Marvel mythos into Monica Rambeau's story, and give her elements of Carol's look and backstory.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Something that should perhaps be noted: the heroes of Guardians of the Galaxy are mostly aliens, natch. . . but the actors who play them? Are majority non-white.

Are you saying that most non human members of the team are played by non whites? Somehow I don't think that's especially commendable but it certainly isn't true lol. You got 2 white guys playing Starlord and Raccon, and another 2 guys who are at the very least half white in Vin Diesel and Batista and then 1 Black woman the statement is kinda iffy but I will say its marvel's most diverse movie so they get some points there.

 

[Chance Jackson]

The actress playing Amador has only been seen once.

True but that's in addition to Ruth Negga who plays Raina on AoS, I had only brought Amador up because I had forgotten about her.

And is there any reason why Marvel has yet to bring Monica Rambeau into the MCU?

Is she on Marvel Studios radar?

Edit: fixed caps error

 

[chamber-music]

How many black female characters does Marvel Studios have, that aren't under the control of another studio? Offhand, I can name Monica Rambeau, Misty Knight, and some supporting cast for Black Panther. That's about it.

Besides the ones you mentioned there are New Warrior Debrii/Silhouette/Sun Girl,Vibrania, Georgianna Castleberry from Thunderiders, Meteorite, Luke Cage girlfriend's Dr Clarie Temple and Harmony Young.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Is she on Marvel Studios radar?

Edit: fixed caps error

Only speculation that Monica is owned by Marvel Studios. There's a chance she might not be because she debuted in a Spider-Man comic.

 

[metaphysician]

The actress playing Amador has only been seen once.

And is there any reason why Marvel has yet to bring Monica Rambeau into the MCU?

Probably because there isn't any obvious place where she would be brought in. She doesn't have any particular mythos or ties to somebody else's mythos, she's just a random superhero who happened to be an Avenger for a while.

Granted, I wouldn't mind if she appeared, or even got her own movie ( cop by day, superhero by, er, day? Lots of potential ), but I don't think anybody should act surprised that a relatively minor character hasn't been adapted yet.

 

[metaphysician]

Are you saying that most non human members of the team are played by non whites? Somehow I don't think that's especially commendable but it certainly isn't true lol. You got 2 white guys playing Starlord and Raccon, and another 2 guys who are at the very least half white in Vin Diesel and Batista and then 1 Black woman the statement is kinda iffy but I will say its marvel's most diverse movie so they get some points there.

So, one drop of blood makes you white, huh?

 

[metaphysician]

Besides the ones you mentioned there are New Warrior Debrii/Silhouette/Sun Girl,Vibrania, Georgianna Castleberry from Thunderiders, Meteorite, Luke Cage girlfriend's Dr Clarie Temple and Harmony Young.

I suspect that the fact I've never even heard of almost all these characters pretty much sums up my reaction: "brigade of the obscure." Though I imagine Dr Temple has a non-trivial chance of appearing in Cage's own show.

That said. . . who the hell are the Thunderiders?

 

[mace1]

How many black female characters does Marvel Studios have, that aren't under the control of another studio? Offhand, I can name Monica Rambeau, Misty Knight, and some supporting cast for Black Panther. That's about it.

Don't forget black panther's sister Shuri.

She becomes a black panther too but later.

Black Panther - Marvel Comics - Shuri - Female

Shuri is the younger sister of T'Challa and most recently, a queen. As such, she is the ruler of Wakanda, an African nation known to be one of the most technologically advanced civilizations on Earth.

Shuri , attempting one of the rigorous trials Wakandan royalty must complete to consume the Heart-shaped Herb.



King's sister / Shuri

http://www.comicvine.com/shuri/4005-58997/

 

[mace1]

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[mace1]

I always thought of Monica Rambeau as a major character.
She had her own comic and is a major character in the new mighty avengers comic .

After all blade,steel,elektra,and catwoman got thier OWN SOLO movie.

Catwoman and Monica Rambeau WERE MORE WELL KNOWN BEFORE these others.

Of course marvel is taking less risk today having less known superhero solo movies then before.
More so if they are women or folks of color.

Same with DC/WB,but marvel is having a asian superhero team movie called bighero 6,and they said in the past a black panther movie will be made and luke cage may show up on the big screen if the netflix shows do well.

Those are some examples of marvel still taking more risks then DC/WB.

 

[Chance Jackson]

So, one drop of blood makes you white, huh?

I believe I said half

 

[DrCosmic]

Those are some badarse pics of Shuri. Still not impressed with the character as a lead, but she's a great support to T'Challa.

Frankly , a completely new heroine would be an infinitely harder sell for me. I'm interested in seeing marvel stuff translated to the big screen not newly made up characters as leads. Then again I seem to see potential where others don't in some of these characters. ( except for Antman. I don't get Antman.)

I would go see a Captain/ Ms. Marvel or Black Widow movie in a hot minute though.

Sif would draw me in pretty quick also but I'm probably unusual there

Valkyrie is in the hot minute zone for me also.

I think all those are hard sells to the general public, for various reasons. Redundancy being chief among them. That said, I think Marvel would do better elevating an obscure character than actually going from scratch. Are there any Marvel heroines you wouldn't show up for in a hot minute?

Only speculation that Monica is owned by Marvel Studios. There's a chance she might not be because she debuted in a Spider-Man comic.

Black Panther debuted in a Fantastic Four comic, Quicksilver in an X-Men comic. First appearance doesn't determine anything. It's what the character is primarily associated with, and for Monica Rambeau, that ain't Spider-Man.

Probably because there isn't any obvious place where she would be brought in. She doesn't have any particular mythos or ties to somebody else's mythos, she's just a random superhero who happened to be an Avenger for a while.

Granted, I wouldn't mind if she appeared, or even got her own movie ( cop by day, superhero by, er, day? Lots of potential ), but I don't think anybody should act surprised that a relatively minor character hasn't been adapted yet.

I agree she doesn't work as a sidekick. That's because she'd work better in her own film with her own story and supporting cast. A much better move than making a superheroine from scratch, imho. And strictly speaking, all the Avengers are "random heroes that happened to be in the Avengers for a while." Some are more obscure, sure, but there's a significant difference between Rambeau's importance, popularity and contribution to the Avengers and, say, Dr. Druid's.

I always thought of Monica Rambeau as a major character.
She had her own comic and is a major character in the new mighty avengers comic .

After all blade,steel,elektra,and catwoman got thier OWN SOLO movie.

Catwoman and Monica Rambeau WERE MORE WELL KNOWN BEFORE these others.

Of course marvel is taking less risk today having less known solo superhero movies then before.
More so if they are women or folks of color.

Same with DC/WB,but marvel is having a asian superhero team movie called bighero 6,and they said in the past a black panther movie will be made and luke cage may show up in the big screen if the netflix shows do well.

Those are some examples of marvel still taking more risks then DC/WB.

That's what's up. Make it so, Marvel.