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I thought this might be a fun idea for a thread, not a casting thread, or a fan fiction thread,
just a random ideas thread. If you have some ideas for a movie or something post them here.

For example, an idea for a movie that isn't actually being made. Like if I had some idea for Flash movie. Where it takes place over three movies, showing Barry's mother getting murdered in the beginning, then once Barry becomes the Flash and fights crime we get hints at a mysterious dark force, that is finally introduced as the Reverse Flash Professor Zoom in the 3rd film. So in effect Zoom is the bad guy pulling the strings throughout all three movies and is revealed to be the murderer of Barry's mother, the cause of the 1 in a million chance lab accident that turns Barry into the Flash, and the cause of little things here and there throughout the movies. Reverse Flash creates Flash so that he will be created later, now he can kill him. Something like that.
Or a buddy cop type movie about Booster Gold and Blue Beetle.
Or maybe a SHAZAM movie?
Maybe you have some ideas for a 4th World New Gods movie.
How about a Project Cadmus movie? A movie about a secret facility where secret experiments are performed every day, like cloning, alien DNA projects, genetic manipulation, shrinking, splicing, whatever, starring Guardian. But is he Cadmus' protector or destruction? And what is his connection to them?

So, if you have an idea for some movie, even if it doesn't have a chance of getting made, why not post it here.
Not casting, but ideas. Full ideas, summaries, plot points, or even vague ideas for one scene.

Any characters, any ideas.
 
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I always liked the idea of a Booster Gold/Blue Beetle buddy cop movie. I dont think either could make a solo film, but together it could be cool.
 
Random, eh?

[Infodump]

Random Wonder Woman reveal Scene:
On an Aircraft Carrier, which bombards Themyscira with missiles and weapons fire, Wonder Woman lassos General Phil Darnell, who is obviously in league with Ares. "Where is Ares?" She demands. "Right in front of you." The general smiles and then uppercuts Wonder Woman into the nearest jet as the taller, armored shadowed form of Ares fades in around him.

Justice League Trilogy
A Justice League movie in three parts, all filmed at once, LOTR style. The first film the league routes the White Martians, and the formation of the League. While Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern Stewart and Flash are the main members, Batman is a main character in the movie and is later convinced to join the league, Martian Manhunter, a prisoner of the White Martians, coordinates them telepathically and also shows up bodily, while Aquaman is also featured in the last battle scene as a captive of the Martians' underwater attacks. Zatanna, Green Arrow and Black Canary, the Hawks, Lantern Jordan, along with Aquaman, are also asked to join but decline due to previous commitments, or cutting disinterest. White Martians employ things like Starro as technology and Despero as an attack dog. These are "mighty conquerors, enslaved by a stronger race." Barry Allen is the Flash in this film, and he dies. After the final battle, the White Martian survivors report back to Darkseid, and are incinerated. Scenes from JLA:NWO are involved heavily here, there is a hint of Tower of Babel as well the latest Starro adventure. This film is called "Secret Origins"

The second film "The Anti-Life Equation" has Lex Luthor uniting villains, expanding his power base, and attempting to double cross his new co-conspirator Darkseid. As the two co-villains race to capture/locate the Anti-Life Equation, the League, now consisting of the "movie Big 7" (Stewart and West), plus Hal, Zatanna, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow and Black Canary. Other heroes cameo. Here the League suffers a political and social meltdown until the new darker edgier superman is revealed to be a traitor and clone called Bizzarro. The rescued Superman we see is the moral and social core of the league. The League routes the villains and Superman appeals to Lex and convinces him not to hand the human race over to death in exchange for power. Lex gives the Anti-Life equation to Superman, the only person he trusts, who in turn gives it to Batman, the only person he trusts.

The third film, the final in the trilogy, "The Final Crisis" chronicles the final invasion of Apokolips after Lex Luthor betrays Darksied, who kills Bruce and Lex. All out international, interplanetary War, disaster movie, cameo a veritable 'League' of heroes, the Justice Society, Teen Titans, Suicide Squad, Doom Patrol, Green Lantern Corps defending Oa, villains joining in defending their planet from annihilation. Bruce returns from the nether reaches of time and space with the power of the Anti-Life Equation, which he then hands to Superman, the only person he trusts. Finally we return to the Big 5. Clark. Bruce. Diana. Wally. Stewart. On Apokolips. Fighting with all their might, it comes down to each sacrificing themselves in turn to give Superman a shot at taking on Darkseid, who utterly whips his behind until Superman, inspired by Wally's tactical use of speed, possessing John's ring, Diana's lasso and Batman's belt and master plan to defeat Darkseid takes the tyrant down a peg, unleashing everything he has, all his heart and gusto at the man monster, and staggers the man who takes his earth shattering punches without flinching. Darkseid, though weakened, emerges victorious, and claims and immediately uses the anti-life equation, only to find out it has been reversed by Batman, reviving the 5 leagers who escape Apokolips as it is destroyed, and restored to New Eden.

Post-TKDR Movie Triology
The Fourth film in this Bat series would be called "Gotham City" and begin with the death of the Graysons, as this trilogy would, more or less, use Robin as an introduction to the universe. The first film would take an intellectual detective route, with Edward Nashton and his partner Kathy Kane as FBI Agents assigned to hunt down Batman. Nashton goes rogue with his "Riddler" mousetrap, the first element of which is the circus homicide, which ties into the punchline of the film. Rich Grayson, a witness, is not safe in the police department, and has a mad on for the new crime boss, Zucco. Meanwhile, Pamela Isley acts as a love interest until Riddler persona destroys her home, at which point, she concocts a poisonous plan to send Gotham back to Eden, make it a No Man's Land. Grayson, reportedly missing from the police department after Batman foils the murder attempt there, helps Batman solve some of Riddlers more juvenille-slanted riddles, and Batman focuses the boy's anger into martial arts, and the other training. Batman and Riddler battle for intellectual superiority, nothing less. Eventually Grayson discovers the mansion, and that Batman is the famous Bruce Wayne. This inspires him to go charging after Zucco. On the way, he saves Batman by being Batman's eyes in the sky in a larger than life puzzle, and Batman in turn saves him from being killed by thugs, and from killing Zucco. They face down Poison Ivy together, and Batman uses Robin as an example of the hope that grows in Gotham City. It ends Dark Victory-like, with Robin meeting eyes with Barbara Gordon, and Bruce and Richard end up as high profile Big Brother/Big Sister program partners, while Richard lives at the orphanage run by Leslie Thompkins.

The second film "Dynamic Duo" has Robin, now 15, still training, and expected to become the next Batman. There is a bounty of epic proportions out on Batman, thanks to someone called the Black Mask, and the people who respond are people like Bane, Deadshot, Lady Shiva, the Ventriloquist (a "mute" mob hitman with a puppet (often in suitcase) in his off hand), and Killer Moth. These characters are not terribly in depth, but consummate professionals, with a bit of color in them to make them stand out. It's clear they've worked against each other before on lesser targets. The Batman family becomes clearer with Rich, Lucious, Alfred, Gordon. There is also the costume party early in the film where Barbara dresses up as Batgirl, manages to kill Killer Moth, but is shot by Deadshot. Later in the movie "Oracle" tips Batman off, and he confronts the girl, working from a GCPD computer later... about a job. This creates a conflict between Batman and Robin, which is exacerbated by Grayson's obvious giftedness for all things Batman. This movie, on the whole, is about legacy, destiny and future, which is Black Mask's point, that the crime family continues on, while Batman eventually ends. This movie ends when Grayson is proclaimed the next Batman, and sworn in, and made partner.

The third film "Batman vs Robin" starts with Robin, now 18, and Batman having a difference of opinions. Robin, who is notably faster and more tech-savvy than Batman feels he is an equal at this point. Robin believes more people are needed, Batman believes no one else can be trusted, and that too many people already know. Robin has friends, Batman does not. When Talia arrives, with the League at her back and a new "Ra's Al Ghul" puppet before her, Batman strives for control of the league as a tool, using his uberness to sway Talia where her father could not be swayed, while Robin recruits all the Batman-inspired copy-cats he can find. Huntress. Assassin Batgirl. Azrael. Oracle. Jason Todd, who steals the wheels of the Robin-made Batmobile, and little Tim Drake, who devises Robin's identity. This movie is about truth and trust, and it aims to leave the viewers divided on the correctness of Batman or Robin's approach. Grayson becomes Nightwing, and gives the Robin guise to his own sidekick, Jason Todd, who is summarily killed by the league. Both Batman and Grayson are now responsible for his death. Batman confronts Talia, who retaliates with her pregnancy, the mad-with-rage Nightwing aims to take her down. Batman defends his biological son against his adopted one. Batman wins, and with Robin defeated and Talia on his side, he withdraws the league from their seige of the city.

Alternately, Robin Begins
The first film can lose the Zucco aspects, and the training of the Graysons and a separate film called "Robin Begins" could be made, starring Robin with Batman as a shadowy overseer, whose point of view we are not privy to. The villains would be Mad Hatter, kidnapper of 13 year old Robin's girlfriend/crush Alice via those headphones with super-suggestion powers, all for a child prostitution ring (see Dark Victory, I think) and Killer Croc would be Zucco's tool, and a former employee of the Haley Circus. Mad Hatter would use a cop to try and kill Grayson, the witness that links Councilman Zucco to the crime world, and Robin would be taken to the Batcave for safekeeping, train, battle Killer Croc Blockbuster-vs-Nightwing style mid-movie and then at the end, suit up in a black body suit with his red vest, his birthday gift from his parents on the day they died, and his R-shaped shuriken on it, and go rescue his girl and kill Zucco, which Batman talks him out of. The most fun/difficult thing with this film would be 'Robin vision' where he get to see Robin's upside down twisting view as he bounces from bad guy to bad guy, breaking in faces and arms and such.

Final/climactic scenes from a never-will-be-made John Stewart GL movie

Ringless, John Stewart barrels down the road in Guy Gardner's hot rod, floating in the air, he sees the sonic-powered Sonar, wearing John's ring around his neck. John sees the churned ground makes a great ramp, and revs up, soaring into the air at his opponent, who simply floats out of the way of the car's trajectory, to John's slow motion dismay. We hear the charging-up sound of Sonar's powers as the car passes right before the villain in the air, John puts up his hands in defense as the car is blasted in to smithereens, and John's body ragdolls through the air, first off a building, and the skids across the ground. John's body falls limply while Sonar cackles. Then he looks down at his neck. No ring. We cut to John whose hand opens to reveal that he grabbed the ring at the last second. His eyes, open, full of green light, he floats to a standing position and the Ring telekinetically moves from his palm to his hand, as his uniform returns. The two battle clashing a few times as John gets some great hits in. It mentioned low power before he lost it, now it screams "5% remaining... 4% remaining"

Soon, John is out of power and runs into Alan Scotts antique shop looking for that odd lantern the man had mentioned. He begins trying to recite what Scott had told him. "In lightest day... no, brightest day, in darkest... no that's Batman... Blackest night! In brightest day in blackest night, no evil... evil... shall escape me... my sight!" He looks up and there is a green glow under the rubble, outside Sonar taunts, getting ever closer. Sonar notices the support structures. He pushes through junk and antiques, digging for the lantern in the trashed store. "... let those who worship evil... evil's might, beware my power-" just as John lays eyes on the lantern, Sonar unleashes a cutting shockwave, ripping through the whole building, crumbling it all down onto John's head...

There is quiet for a moment as Sonar dusts his hands and then turns to walk away. Things start lighting up in green, the building is rebuilt by green energy, fortified by green supports and out of the beautiful front entrance walks John Stewart, in full GL uniform, holding a Green Lantern Power Battery in his non-ring hand. "... Green Lantern's Light." He finishes. Sonar attacks, and he uses a forcefield looking just like the sound nullifying walls he proposed for the Ferris Airfield buildings in the early part of the movie. He then sets the battery down, rushes Sonar and flies him straight up into the upper atmosphere, where his sound powers have less effect, Sonar gets his last words in, but John uses the information his girlfriend got on Sonar before he killed her to talk Sonar down into a crying mess, and tells him to live, instead of die. Returning to the ground John gives Sonar to the authorities and rebuilds the city block where the fight took place. Then Hal, Katma Tui and Kilowogg finally show up, to take him to Oa for training. End movie.

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Any comments?
 
I can imagine my ideas for DC movies would not be popular with comic-book fans...

* A futuristic remake of the 1966 Batman movie as more of a sci-fi action-adventure, not as serious as the current films but not as light as the original, focusing on the secret life of world-champion prizefighter Thomas Wayne, son of Batman and Catwoman and protege of Wildcat, who forged his own way on the streets after his father, mother, and his father's fortune disappeared in a cataclysm years before that destroyed the old Gotham City and took most of the classic Rogues' Gallery with it. But when New Gotham falls under attack by a millennia-old wraith who may or may not be the reincarnation of Tutankhamen (a mix of King Tut and Ra's Al Ghul) - who has enlisted in his bid to claim New Gotham as his own three of its most powerful criminals in this era: the master thief and assassin Archer (shades of Deadshot), the hypnotic songstress Siren (a mix of Mad Hatter and Poison Ivy), and the robotic gunslinger S.H.A.M.E. (not patterned after a classic Bat-villain per se, more an homage to Yul Brynner's 'Westworld' character portrayed in the more-than-human vein of guys like Freeze or Croc) - Wayne is forced to adopt his father's still-secret Bat-mantle with the "encouragement" of his new personal assistant, Cass Grayson, daughter of Robin and Starfire, who has none of her mother's powers save for tactile ESP and above-average physical strength at best but DOES have all her father's crimefighting prowess. Under the advisement of Commissioner Barbara Gordon (who wears an apparatus on her legs that enable her to use them again after being shot in the spine years ago, a nod to "The Killing Joke"), the new Batman and Robin face threats ranging from the seductive entertainment reporter Lorelei Circe, who has her sights and vocal cords set on Thomas Wayne; the infiltration of Tutankhamen's submerged floating pyramid and a battle against the army of Anubis-droids within; a wolfpack of explosive-packing bionic 'cruisemissile sharks' courtesy of S.H.A.M.E.; and an aerial chase amid the towering skyline of New Gotham between the flying Batmobile and Archer's armor-piercing 'smart arrow' mini-rockets; all the while fighting to rescue the mind-controlled high-profile hostages of the evil quartet, as well as one very important hostage, a newly-retired MI6 agent who has managed to resist all of the foursome's attempts to wrest from him a secret that could spell ultimate doom for New Gotham and the world beyond...

* A Supergirl movie that mixes Pre- and Post-Crisis elements together: It also sidesteps the "need" to properly introduce Superman beforehand by establishing in an opening flashback sequence that, not long after retrieving the drifting stasis pod of Kara In-Ze - it could just as easily be Kara Zor-El, I suppose, but they already used her in the previous Supergirl film and I still wanted the 'Cousin Kara' motif intact because it would be important to the emotional core of this particular story - Superman died in an epic battle with Doomsday and his 'keeper' Mongul, a battle which broke the Justice League and left the world's surviving superheroes disillusioned to the point of retirement. Some time later, in the present, young Kara Kent - having graduated from Smallville High School some time before after living for years with Lana Lang, and not all that keen on using her own super-powers at this point in her life - literally arrives at a crossroads, dropped off at the bus stop of Leesburg, Pennsylvania, a town still terribly scarred, physically and emotionally, by the panic and hysteria of that attempted alien invasion years earlier to the point of causing rioting and deaths, including that of the daughter of the local police chief and his wife, Fred and Sylvia Danvers. They've attempted to regain some form of normalcy by opening their home to a few other local teens orphaned in the chaos, but such is the despairing mood of the town that they're not sure that can cope with it anymore, so Kara looks for an opportunity to do something to try and change that as Kara Kent, cousin of the late Daily Planet reporter. But she finds more than she bargained for when the Silver Banshee arrives in Leesburg, taking advantage of the lingering paranoia in order to seek out an ancient tome that may be the key to securing her supernatural birthright; what's worse, one of Superman's oldest enemies, Parasite, has arrived in town having been driven nearly ravenous since losing his favorite "eatery" and, like a great white shark, is homing in on the "scent" of an almost-equally-powerful life-force...which is Kara, who comes to realize that fate is conspiring to put her in that red cape and boots and that big red S onto her chest and make a hero out of her whether she, or anyone else who can only look at her as 'Superman's Cousin', likes it or not...the hero a small town desperately needs.

* Super Friends: NOT a campy take on the Justice League, but it is a coming-of-age story with light touches focusing on four teenagers who have the privilege of walking among giants - Wendy, Marvin, Zan and Jayna. The four of them are actually part of a 'reserve' roster that is occasionally called in the help the 'big guns' (Robin would here be portrayed as a liaison to the League from the Teen Titans, rather than a full-time Leaguer), and their youthful inexperience, excitement and stubborness repeatedly earn them a chewing-out from Batman and matronly reassurance from Wonder Woman - which just cheeses Batman more; Superman, for his part, tries to be more balanced than the other two - but they don't go head-to-head with any top-tier villains on their own...until now. I'd be tempted to set this movie in the early 1980s, and the reason for that is because it would sort of mark the transition from "Super Friends" to "Super Powers" when two of the League's oldest enemies, long believed to have been lost in space following an epic opening battle with the Legion of Doom - Luthor and Brainiac - return with new attitudes and new looks: Luthor is first seen in a version of his old flightsuit, but re-emerges with a darker edge, a nastier sense of humor, and an alien-built exosuit; likewise, Brainiac is first seen as the green-skinned guy with the funny forehead of yesteryear, and reappears as Ed Hannigan's icy, Gigeresque-Terminator skullship-pilot. When this reborn duo take Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman out of the game, reassemble the Legion of Doom into a more focused and deadlier force of terror, and scatter the remaining League across the Earth to battle all manner of disasters left in the supervillains' wake - from all of Gotham consumed by Scarecrow's fear gas, to all of Metropolis under attack by killer toys, to all of Central City reverted to primitive savages, etc. - it falls upon our four young heroes, guided by Robin, to hold their own when the Legion of Doom themselves succeed in infiltrating the Watchtower, leading to a showdown within the hallowed walls of the Hall of Justice. Superpets optional, and though it may seem blasphemous to relegate the Trinity to supporting status, they're not the ones the story is really about to begin with; they're like Pike in the new Trek in terms of the presence they're supposed to carry in the picture.

I can't help it. These days I come to this sort of topic from the mentality of wanting to make stories that might appeal to a broad audience - including the folks who grew up with "Super Friends" and Christopher Reeve as well as the ones who grew up with Michael Keaton and "Batman: The Animated Series" - as opposed to being uber-faithful to the comics and the mindset of adapting specific comic-book stories or sticking solely to any one era of the source material for inspiration.
 
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Starman.

Jack Knight is 27-year-old antique store owner who lives in Opal City. His father, Ted Knight, is a research scientist who once protected the streets of the city as a crimefighter know as "Starman", wielding a powerful Cosmic Staff that can absorb the energy from stars and use it to fly, emit light and heat, project force fields and fire energy blasts. Unlike his older brother David, Jack is deeply ashamed of his father's legacy and, as a result, they've become distant over the years.

However, this is about to change. Ted's oldest enemy, a powerful criminal know as "The Mist", returns set to get revenge on Ted for past defeats. Creating a criminal empire formed by small-time supervillains, including the unstoppable Solomon Grundy, the uncontrolable Dr. Phosphorus, the pyschotic Ragdoll and the enigmatic Shade, the Mist plans to destroy Opal City and, to achieve this objective, he kidnapps Ted and murders David as he was about to embrace the role of the new Starman.

Jack survives a assassination attempt by the hands of Spider using his father's Cosmic Staff and finds himself forced to become the new Starman in order to save his family, his city, his girlfriend Sadie Payton and his legacy from the Mist. In addition, he must also stop the Mist and his allies from stealing the Quarvat, a more advanced version of the Cosmic Staff, which would give the Mist the tools he needs to exterminate all life in Opal City and conquer the world.

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Interesting!

Jochimus, I like your stories! I'm not sure about them appealing to a broad audience, beyond old school superhero fans, but they are cool. The 1966 Batman remake (sequel, really) would be pretty fun, especially if taken with that same tone. I know a few people who prefer Batman lighter. I really love the idea of Superfriends as a coming of age story. That's absolutely incredible. I can't express my love for that concept fully. Supergirl is cool too, not sure you need to worry much about continuity, and I think the smaller scale (Leesburg and Smallville as opposed to Krypton and Metropolis), is much more fitting for a fall release or something of that nature. GREAT stuff.

protocidia, I have to admit, I don't know much about Starman, but I think you've got something solid there. I do wonder why Ted doesn't just use the staff, or why the brother who actually likes this stuff doesn't either. Also, reading your description makes me skeptical of that whole 'team of colorful villains' concept, even though I employed it as well, and it would be basically mandatory for a Flash movie. I think about the first X-Men movie and how they had to use the villains for them all to fit. Not ideal, to say the least.
 
I had an idea for a Fourth World quadrology done kind of like how they're doing the Avengers. Separate movies for the New Gods, the Forever People and Mr. Miracle, self-contained but with certain plot points that would culminate in the, uh, 4th Fourth World film.

I don't like it how people keep wanting to change Dick(Grayson)'s name. When he finally shows up on film or TV, I'd like to see a scene where someone hassles him about it.

"Yeah, Dick. That's my name. It's short for Richard. Is that a problem?"
 
The Legion of Superheroes,
Legion was started by Lighting Lad, Cosmic Boy, and Saturn Girl, uniting their planets, soon other heroes from other planets joined uniting their planets.
In the movie X-Men we follow Wolverine, meet the X-Men with him and find out about them and everything through him. In the X-Men animated series in the 90s we did that through Jubilee.
The Legion of Superheroes movie could introduce the audiance through its star, the first Earthling to join the Legion of Superheroes, Colossal Boy, Karate Kid, Bouncing Boy, Dawnstar, Ferro Lad, Jacques Foccart, Sun Boy, Wildfire, or XS

along with the Earthling joining the Legion, a group officially recognized by the United Planets, Earth finally joins the United Planets.

It would follow, for example, Bounce Boy as he becomes acquainted with the new team and his new role. And since this is the first movie we can also introduce the idea to the audience the situation with the Aliens, Earth, and our relations with them, and what the Earth joining the Legion and the United Planets means.

The first movie should also show that the legion isn't a fully functioning team that's been around a while. Its new too, still on shaky ground. Any misstep could destroy everything they have worked for.
 
Random Thoughts about the Green Arrow movie
I was reading about his origin recently, how he was a rich jerk who had no loss in his life like Bruce. Almost like what Bruce could have become, but then his boat was attacked by pirates. He found an island where he had to fight to survive, becoming the expert archer he is now, and then when the pirates found the island, fought them to escape the island. He has this whole, instead of him feeling the need to prevent loss like he has had, he found his old rich life boring now and so he becomes a vigilante.
How would they pack all that into one movie?
Its like Cast Away mixed with Batman or Iron Man, and a few other movies in there too like the one where Dicaprio is on that island and has to fight pirates.
I am not saying it can't be done. Just thats a lot of info.
For his movie I would play up the difference between him and Batman. That he experienced no loss, and that he was a sort of jerk like Tony Stark.
And that he became a superhero, training if you will, by having to survive on an island. Play that up too, it hasn't really been done before. I'd also play up that he is more a vigilante because his old life seemed meaningless, like on Cast Away [BLACKOUT]when Hanks gets home but his old life seems like a different persons life now.[/BLACKOUT] Maybe even play up picking the Robin Hood costume so that the bad guys, or anyone who claimed to see him, would sound like an idiot.

Kamandi, His movie would be like Planet of the Apes but with lots of different mutated animals like the Tiger Nation, the Rats, and the Gorillas of coarse. I would maybe make it a one shot movie, with no sequal, and have Kamandi, the last boy on earth, the sole human stuck between a war of the Tigers and Gorillas. He is trying to help the Tigers win. In the end, after the war is won Kamandi finds a secret hidden village, maybe hidden by the Gorillas all these years, full of humans like Kamandi. Sort of like Water World, [BLACKOUT]how they finally find dry land,[/BLACKOUT] only better.
 
If they ever make a Ted Kord as Blue Beetle movie, I think this is how they should make the Madmen like this, wearing painted masks like this (but painted yellow, green, and red. With the hair painted yellow, green, and red.).
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Creepy guys in scary painted masks with realistic hair, and painted clothing, commuting crimes and terrorizing people.
 
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Random Thoughts about the Green Arrow movie
I was reading about his origin recently, how he was a rich jerk who had no loss in his life like Bruce. Almost like what Bruce could have become, but then his boat was attacked by pirates. He found an island where he had to fight to survive, becoming the expert archer he is now, and then when the pirates found the island, fought them to escape the island. He has this whole, instead of him feeling the need to prevent loss like he has had, he found his old rich life boring now and so he becomes a vigilante.
How would they pack all that into one movie?
Its like Cast Away mixed with Batman or Iron Man, and a few other movies in there too like the one where Dicaprio is on that island and has to fight pirates.
I am not saying it can't be done. Just thats a lot of info.
For his movie I would play up the difference between him and Batman. That he experienced no loss, and that he was a sort of jerk like Tony Stark.
And that he became a superhero, training if you will, by having to survive on an island. Play that up too, it hasn't really been done before. I'd also play up that he is more a vigilante because his old life seemed meaningless, like on Cast Away [BLACKOUT]when Hanks gets home but his old life seems like a different persons life now.[/BLACKOUT] Maybe even play up picking the Robin Hood costume so that the bad guys, or anyone who claimed to see him, would sound like an idiot.

Interesting. I don't see it as large a problem. You could do it Begins/LOST style and give all the heavy origin stuff in Flashback. That would be interesting, we meet him on the island and learn what a jerk he was, and how evil the villain is, and how he ended up there in flashbacks. Alternately, you could keep the intro pretty simple and even start him on the trip that gets him marooned and put people around him that will show us what his life is and is like. Spend twenty minutes on the island and by the end of ACT I, he's coming back to his normal life. The second act would be building his arsenal and the third act would be full on GA. It just depends on what you want accentuate.
 
Interesting. I don't see it as large a problem. You could do it Begins/LOST style and give all the heavy origin stuff in Flashback. That would be interesting, we meet him on the island and learn what a jerk he was, and how evil the villain is, and how he ended up there in flashbacks. Alternately, you could keep the intro pretty simple and even start him on the trip that gets him marooned and put people around him that will show us what his life is and is like. Spend twenty minutes on the island and by the end of ACT I, he's coming back to his normal life. The second act would be building his arsenal and the third act would be full on GA. It just depends on what you want accentuate.
Good point, and great ideas. who would be the bad guy in the first movie?
 
Will Hacket? China White? Constantine Drakon? Merlyn?
 
in the Hawkman movie, Hawkman should have to use his wings to help save someone or in some other way than to make him fly, and in the process he should loose them temporarily. Like they are damaged some. And have to fight without them for a short scene.
This would show audiences that he isn't just a guy with hawk wings, but a warrior like Conan or something. And it would also show them that the wings aren't growing out of his back, but are a technology from his planet, a weapon.

Hawkman, or Hawkwoman, has to use some Thanagarian Tech in a way that it wasn't intended for. Some sort of MacGiver type thing to save the day, using the Mace or some thing to short out something or rewire something. This would show that he isn't just some brawler but also smart.

Perhaps the mechanical wings can look somewhat more mechanical, with some metal showing somehow. Mostly feathers of coarse, but perhaps some gears can be seen between cracks or something to show that these wings aren't just organic wings that he puts on sometimes, but an invention of his people.

This idea would seriously effect the tone of whatever superhero movie this is put in, but the superhero tries to save the day but although he or she does the best they can the person or persons still die, like a car crash or plane crash or explosion (like in Dark Knight) and the hero has to go and check for survivors or something. Showing that the superheroes have to sometimes see horrific things.
This idea is more just an idea and not something I have to see, or want to see, in a movie. But realistically superheroes like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Robin, Question, they see some terrible sights.
 
^ That'd be interesting for a sequel, but, in a first movie, I think Hawkman needs to have his wings.
 
Honestly, I'd just like to see a DC comic book movie that doesn't have to focus on the character's origins. Like that Supermax movie with GA or a Batman Inc. movie or even The Death Of Superman movie without attaching it to a previous continuity.
 
Which would make a better Hawkman movie? The Carter Hall reincarnation concept? Katar Hol from Thanagar? Combination of both a la JLU?
 
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Carter Hall would separate him from a Superman rip off (in the general audience's eyes). Otherwise they will most likely only see an alien coming to Earth and becoming a superhero.

Maybe make it about Carter Hall, who finds out he is the reincarnation of Katar Hol from Thanagar. Mix in the idea that he and Hawkwoman keep dying each time they find each other and fall in love, and you have a movie plot.

A museum curator, Carter Hall's, life begins to change dramatically when he discovers alien technology in his museum (the wings and mace and whatever else). Somehow he finds out he is the reincarnated Katar Hol from Thanagar, an alien law enforcer who followed an alien to Earth, Somewhere down the line he finds out about his partner and wife Chay-Ara Hol. And as the two meet again for the first time, maybe mix in the idea of him trying to convince her of all the reincarnation and that he is her husband, and as they begin to get closer, it is discovered that when they start getting close and fall in love one or both die somehow. They have died and come back several times.
Maybe make the main bad guy Khufu.
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So you have you superhero story, you got the love angle that they use a lot in superhero movies, and you are set.
Not only that, but it also brings up things that could be explored in sequels. Like Carter traveling and researching his past lifes, the idea of Thanagar, and other Hawkmen out there.

I would also make his costume look more like armor, mixed with alien tech, than a costume of spandex.
 
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Yeah, I think the way to go is a Carter Hall movie and set in the 30's or 40's, hopefully as a quasi-prequel to a JSA movie. Establishing the Nth metal harness as coming from an alien world, even if you keep it as mysterious other than that, always leaves open the possibility of covering the Thanagar and Katar stuff in later movies.
 
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* Super Friends: NOT a campy take on the Justice League, but it is a coming-of-age story with light touches focusing on four teenagers who have the privilege of walking among giants - Wendy, Marvin, Zan and Jayna. The four of them are actually part of a 'reserve' roster that is occasionally called in the help the 'big guns' (Robin would here be portrayed as a liaison to the League from the Teen Titans, rather than a full-time Leaguer), and their youthful inexperience, excitement and stubborness repeatedly earn them a chewing-out from Batman and matronly reassurance from Wonder Woman - which just cheeses Batman more; Superman, for his part, tries to be more balanced than the other two - but they don't go head-to-head with any top-tier villains on their own...until now. I'd be tempted to set this movie in the early 1980s, and the reason for that is because it would sort of mark the transition from "Super Friends" to "Super Powers" when two of the League's oldest enemies, long believed to have been lost in space following an epic opening battle with the Legion of Doom - Luthor and Brainiac - return with new attitudes and new looks: Luthor is first seen in a version of his old flightsuit, but re-emerges with a darker edge, a nastier sense of humor, and an alien-built exosuit; likewise, Brainiac is first seen as the green-skinned guy with the funny forehead of yesteryear, and reappears as Ed Hannigan's icy, Gigeresque-Terminator skullship-pilot. When this reborn duo take Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman out of the game, reassemble the Legion of Doom into a more focused and deadlier force of terror, and scatter the remaining League across the Earth to battle all manner of disasters left in the supervillains' wake - from all of Gotham consumed by Scarecrow's fear gas, to all of Metropolis under attack by killer toys, to all of Central City reverted to primitive savages, etc. - it falls upon our four young heroes, guided by Robin, to hold their own when the Legion of Doom themselves succeed in infiltrating the Watchtower, leading to a showdown within the hallowed walls of the Hall of Justice. Superpets optional, and though it may seem blasphemous to relegate the Trinity to supporting status, they're not the ones the story is really about to begin with; they're like Pike in the new Trek in terms of the presence they're supposed to carry in the picture.

I can't help it. These days I come to this sort of topic from the mentality of wanting to make stories that might appeal to a broad audience - including the folks who grew up with "Super Friends" and Christopher Reeve as well as the ones who grew up with Michael Keaton and "Batman: The Animated Series" - as opposed to being uber-faithful to the comics and the mindset of adapting specific comic-book stories or sticking solely to any one era of the source material for inspiration.


I've always wanted to see a Super Friends movie, also "not campy". Your description of Batman scolding the Jr. Super Friends reminded me of one of the issues of the comic. The Twins had a run in with Toyman, and ended up getting scolded by Batman. Wonder Woman gave a mild scolding as well, and it was Robin who had to defend them.


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I'd enjoy seeing a JSA film. I like the take that WW is using in adopting the WWI setting, and it would be interesting to see the same approach tried for the JSA. Doctor Fate, Hour-Man, the Spectre, the Sandman, the Atom, the Flash, Green Lantern, and Hawkman.
 

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