Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

[Batman the 6th]

I hope it is resolved in the next movie.

 

[bsquad]

Just like Spider-man doesn't get with MJ at the end? By the end of the sequel, Lois and Clark will be together, raising their son, and Richard will likely be out of the picture. It was delaying the inevitable to keep the tension going and you know it.

I don't know man. That is what people think would be the logical outcome but Singer may surprise people. I don't think they established Richard as a great man for nothing.

Richard White=Jonathon Kent part 2

 

[The Kid]

childsupport, all that legal stuff aside...

I wonder what will be the result of Lois staying with Dick, knowing her son is the son of steel. Will Lois tell Dick the truth? Will he want to raise the son of steel? I think he shouldn't and won't just pull himself completely out of lois' son's life. They've bonded over 5 years, I suspect. What may happen is that he dies. I'd like him to die saving superman's life in the next one, to turn the tables this time.

 

[charl_huntress]

I'd like him to die saving superman's life in the next one, to turn the tables this time.

OMG...YES!!!!!! That is sooooo perfect.

Jen, did you read that?????

 

[Matt]

childsupport, all that legal stuff aside...

I wonder what will be the result of Lois staying with Dick, knowing her son is the son of steel. Will Lois tell Dick the truth? Will he want to raise the son of steel? I think he shouldn't and won't just pull himself completely out of lois' son's life. They've bonded over 5 years, I suspect. What may happen is that he dies. I'd like him to die saving superman's life in the next one, to turn the tables this time.

Death is essentially the one way out for the Richard character.

 

[Batman the 6th]

I'd like it if he confronts Supes about it, and tells him he should be a father to his son, and starts to walk away. Supes asks him to be the godparent of Jason, and that he should stop by every now and then.

 

[charl_huntress]

Death is essentially the one way out for the Richard character.

And I think it would be great...though it would be predictable. Still, I don't care.

 

[SentinelMind]

Like I said before, there is a huge difference in rooting for the underdog and wanting your favorite team to win. This is the fine line you mentioned, and like I said this is the point you seem to be missing about the whole scenario.

The audience WILL want Lois to be with Superman/Clark like they have been rooting for them for years. We are talking about the general public...not Lana Lang fans, not Smallville fans, and not YOU.

Yes, they will sympathize with him. Surely they would sympathize with anyone who loves a woman whose heart belongs to someone else...not to mention she has a child with them. Yes, Richard White will get sympathy, but the audience is going to be rooting for the home team.

Remember...this is a Superman movie...not the Richard White show.

Sorry, I have to agree with Matt's point, he seems to have a mature, real world understanding of the message the storyline is delivering. The storyline seems to send the message, that yes you can be a jerk, lie to a woman, leave a woman scorned, and then 5 years later....just 'win her back'. That's fine in Hollywood world....after all this is a big blockbuster Hollywood movie, but that's still doesn't negate it from being an immature, heartless message that doesn't work in the real world. While I can understand everyone makes mistakes, the mistakes implied in this storyline seem to make Superman unheroic and undeserving of Lois. But of course, the woman always falls in love with the man with powers (wealth, superficial property)...This just seems to encourage dysfunctional relationships and stereotypes. But oh...well.

The crowd might root for Superman, doesn't mean it makes sense, really.


EDIT: I am also disappointed by fans hoping Richard and Jason just die.....that would be a cheap and heartless copout and more bad writing.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Look, I'm just happy to know Jason is Clark's son. Because now I know [NOW FOR SURE] Lois & Clark will end up together .

 

[bsquad]

Death is essentially the one way out for the Richard character.

Not neccessarily

Richard White=Jonathon Kent part 2

 

[bsquad]

Sorry, I have to agree with Matt's point, he seems to have a mature, real world understanding of the message the storyline is delivering. The storyline seems to send the message, that yes you can be a jerk, lie to a woman, leave a woman scorned, and then 5 years later....just 'win her back'. That's fine in Hollywood world....after all this is a big blockbuster Hollywood movie, but that's still doesn't negate it from being an immature, heartless message that doesn't work in the real world. While I can understand everyone makes mistakes, the mistakes implied in this storyline seem to make Superman unheroic and undeserving of Lois. But of course, the woman always falls in love with the man with powers...This just seems to encourage dysfunctional relationships and stereotypes. But oh...well.

The crowd might root for Superman, doesn't mean it makes sense, really.

how was he a jerk? how did he lie? and why do you think that Superman would not want the kid or her? not to mention that she told him she loves Richard, and he steps aside because of that

 

[fangrl06]

Look, I'm just happy to know Jason is Clark's son. Because now I know [NOW FOR SURE] Lois & Clark will end up together .

Well we all knew it would happen eventually. Although they might make it different with the movies than the comics, like they might do with SM3.

 

[Batman the 6th]

Anyone like my idea for the Supes/Jason/Richard/Lois thing? Richard becomes a godparent in case something happens to Supes and Lois?

 

[The Kid]

Not neccessarily

Richard White=Jonathon Kent part 2

well but is still alive and while supey had no choice in ever knowing his father besides the hologram image, Jason seems to know and most likely will want to be trained by or just get to know his real daddy.

 

[MoreCowbell]

OMG...YES!!!!!! That is sooooo perfect.

Jen, did you read that?????

I'm with you, it's brilliant. The only problem is how? His only weakness is Kryptonite...

Maybe he tries to save Clark's life while we know it's not nesassary and dies that way.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

Just like Spider-man doesn't get with MJ at the end?

Didn't know you were writing the sequel to Superman Returns.

Oh, you aren't? So the entirety of your argument hinges on supposition and no real knowledge of what's coming? Okay. That's cool. So I thank you in advance for ceasing to speak so authoritatively on the subject, especially since what you DO know you're WILLFULLY misrepresenting so as to win an argument on the internet

 

[fangrl06]

Anyone like my idea for the Supes/Jason/Richard/Lois thing? Richard becomes a godparent in case something happens to Supes and Lois?

I don't know, maybe. I want him to turn evil first though.

 

[charl_huntress]

Sorry, I have to agree with Matt's point, he seems to have a mature, real world understanding of the message the storyline is delivering. The storyline seems to send the message, that yes you can be a jerk, lie to a woman, leave a woman scorned, and then 5 years later....just 'win her back'. That's fine in Hollywood world....after all this is a big blockbuster Hollywood movie, but that's still doesn't negate it from being an immature, heartless message that doesn't work in the real world. While I can understand everyone makes mistakes, the mistakes implied in this storyline seem to make Superman unheroic and undeserving of Lois. But of course, the woman always falls in love with the man with powers (wealth, superficial property)...This just seems to encourage dysfunctional relationships and stereotypes. But oh...well.

The crowd might root for Superman, doesn't mean it makes sense, really.


EDIT: I am also disappointed by fans hoping Richard and Jason just die.....that would be a cheap and heartless copout and more bad writing.

I feel like you read nothing of what I said before you posted that.

Though you mention the message the general public will take from Superman leaving, and I ask you if anyone of them had the craziness to imagine themselves in the same situation as Superman...do you think it's possible that theymight not sympathize with Supes also???? It's not like he went off on a galaxy-wide quest for poontang. He went to see if there was life still on Krypton...his home planet which he heard was destroyed. Uhhh...you think people are going to think he's an ******* for wanting to check it out, and for being a wimp because he couldn't tell the woman he loved because he was afraid he wouldn't come back or might not make it back.

You know...I like to use c'mon alot becaues it pretty much sums up WTF I think of certain stuff.

It's like c'mon that's idiotic...c'mon that doesn't make sense...or just c'mon...because you know you need to go somewhere with that crap.

 

[fangrl06]

Didn't know you were writing the sequel to Superman Returns.

Oh, you aren't? So the entirety of your argument hinges on supposition and no real knowledge of what's coming? Okay. That's cool. So I thank you in advance for ceasing to speak so authoritatively on the subject, especially since what you DO know you're WILLFULLY misrepresenting so as to win an argument on the internet

I'm not trying to pick fights with you, but I think he was only saying that it was a possible ending.

 

[fangrl06]

I feel like you read nothing of what I said before you posted that.

Though you mention the message the general public will take from Superman leaving, and I ask you if anyone of them had the craziness to imagine themselves in the same situation as Superman...do you think it's possible that theymight not sympathize with Supes also???? It's not like he went off on a galaxy-wide quest for poontang. He went to see if there was life still on Krypton...his home planet which he heard was destroyed. Uhhh...you think people are going to think he's an ******* for wanting to check it out, and for being a wimp because he couldn't tell the woman he loved because he was afraid he wouldn't come back or might not make it back.

You know...I like to use c'mon alot becaues it pretty much sums up WTF I think of certain stuff.

It's like c'mon that's idiotic...c'mon that doesn't make sense...or just c'mon...because you know you need to go somewhere with that crap.

LMAO....

 

[bsquad]

well but is still alive and while supey had no choice in ever knowing his father besides the hologram image, Jason seems to know and most likely will want to be trained by or just get to know his real daddy.

he can know both--Superman being alive doesn't mean that Richard has to be absent from his life or any less of a father. Come on guys think outside the box. I don't think anyone has to die for these people to have a happy ending

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

but I think he was only saying that it was a possible ending.

No, re-read that. He's saying that WILL be the ending.

 

[The Kid]

Anyone like my idea for the Supes/Jason/Richard/Lois thing? Richard becomes a godparent in case something happens to Supes and Lois?

but will the man just settle for godparent status after being there, changing diapers, reading comics to the kid before bedtime, all that? this is pretty complicated a situation.

 

[SentinelMind]

how was he a jerk? how did he lie? and why do you think that Superman would not want the kid or her? not to mention that she told him she loves Richard, and he steps aside because of that

Of course, I don't know all the plot points and haven't seen the movie but if the reviews I'm reading are true, it seems Superman had an affair with Lois without telling her who he is, leaves without telling Lois, gives a poor excuse for leaving Lois, family, etc....(the astronomers saw something...and I had to go see for myself) Superman tries to woo her away from her fiance under the assumption that she has a kid with the other guy, and the whole spying on Lois and Richard........

I think it would have been more gripping and mature for Superman to have told Lois he wanted to go investigate his roots and leave for 5 years, Lois being outraged....Superman saying "I need to discover my roots", and the complaint creates a rift in the relationship and then Superman decides to go anyway. That would have been more plausible to the characters. The whole "I made the decision without telling you because I knew you would do this" knowing that the decision impacts both characters comes across as selfish to me.

It seems that the acting and Routh 'emo' scenes and the Reeve nostalgic are gonna be used to draw the audience into bad premise and cover-up bad storyline...

BTW, I will see the film and hope that I'm impressed...I've been impressed with the action scenes, most of the acting, and the scenery and directing, but the storyline is the only thing still bothering me...

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Is it established in the movie how long Richard and Lois have been together? There's a big difference between Richard coming into Lois' life after Jason was born (and helping her raise HER son) and him believing he's the father. If they've been together since before Jason was born, then Lois is going to come across as a ****e because she would've had to have slept with Richard almost immediately after sleeping with Clark. (There's only a small window every month when a woman is fertile)

Is it established that Jason's last name is White? Because that would seem to indicate that Richard thinks he's the daddy.