Superman Returns Re: The Offical Jason Appreciation Thread

[Superman79]

No spoilers, but it comments about the spoilers above.....

Well, I still see that as being selfish, I think it would have been the more appropriate, mature, and decent thing to do is say something to her before leaving for 5 years. Being a man and resolving the dispute face-to-face is always the heroic thing to do. Even if Lois doesn't agree and chooses not to forgive him, she'll have to appreciate that Superman letting her know what's what and that everyone is one the same page. It's fine to make a decision that a loved one doesn't agree with, but not letting them be aware of the decision especially when it impacts them it selfish and disrespectful to the other person, it sends the message I don't care about your input. The logic the movie put forward doesn't make sense, what does Superman anticipate once coming back froma 5 year unexplained absence. The reference you made to SII makes me even a little more worried and further adds to the theory that Superman will do pretty much anything out of convenience to himself even if it hurts or makes a mockery out of others.

Good take SM!! That is one of the major things sticking in my craw about the kid

 

[Superman79]

I think you guys are wrong. He doesn't know Superman is his father. That opens up a whole new can of worms.

THis kid is gonna need a butt-load of therapy after this whole freakin ordeal

 

[fangrl06]

I think that if Superman and Lois end up together he should at least tell her who he is.....I mean they had a kid. But we will probably have something similar to SM where that will happen in the next movie.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

It seems the definitions of "Selfish" and "Selfless" are highly malleable whenever it comes to this conversation.

 

[fangrl06]

THis kid is gonna need a butt-load of therapy after this whole freakin ordeal

lmao

 

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

Superman is from Krypton, meaning he is not human. I don't think he is capable of mating with a human... I could be wrong though, just an idea.

 

[Superman79]

No, in those films the kid is a big part. Jason is a supporting character at best.

riight...I'm sure he'll stay that way through however many sequels they put together.

 

[charl_huntress]

I'm sure he'd love to raise the kid as well but its an odd situation: the kid has a good family and a good life as is. When the time is right he will learn the truth, until then why screw up this kid's life right now

The kid doesn't have a family. His parent's aren't even husband and wife, and the fact that he is someone else's child entirely is truly a quandrary.

Seriouly, I was hoping this wouldn't be resolved outright becaues I don't think Supes flying off (regardless of the reasons) is cool. I want to see him raise his child and be faced with even bigger circumstances than just trying to find a place in the world.

Actually, what I see Singer doing with this child mirrors the apathy some young kids have for Superman himself. Singer is not only trying to introduce Supes to us, the adults. He is also trying to re-introduce Supes to the kiddies, and what better way to do that than to give him a child. Someone they can relate too.

Again, it actually looks like Lois/Superman/Clark won't end up together from this movie, but seriously...how much of the GP do you think is going to want to see that???? That is like Julia Roberts not getting with Richard Gear at the end of Pretty Woman? I mean, do you think the GP wanted her to continue on being a prostitute? Do you think the GP wants Lois to have a child with Superman, and not have him help to raise him?

Please, don't make an analogy...I'm only saying this to indirectly talk to those who don't want to debate the point with me outright.

 

[fangrl06]

It seems the definitions of "Selfish" and "Selfless" are highly malleable whenever it comes to this conversation.

what?

 

[Superman79]

I just want it in writing with the studio that the kid will not morph the series into "Sky High"...yes, I realize Singer would likely never do that, but if he ends up not doing all of the sequels and it falls into the wrong hands (read McG, or BRett Ratner) then we could have trouble

Give me a contract guranteeing that ^ and I'd breathe easier about the kid.

 

[Fatboy Roberts]

I mean the linchpin of a lot of these arguments include the idea that Superman is never selfish--and then changing the definition of selfish to fit the concepts they want it to fit too.

For example, earlier in this thread, someone actually put forth the idea that being a parent is SELFISH. Or that wanting kids is a selfish act. And then, in the same argument, the definitions between selfish and selfless flip flop in some sort of weird attempt to justify a vague, nebulous contrariness to the possibility of Superman having a kid.

I just want it in writing with the studio that the kid will not morph the series into "Sky High

I know Hollywood is a barren wasteland of imagination, but the limited imagination of fanboys almost equals it, because no alternatives have been offered that aren't c-level rehashes of already familiar fanboy favorites as far as mythology goes. Why's it gotta be Sky High? There's a whole wealth of dramatic conflict that can arise from this situation that people are dismissing out of hand because THEY can't get past Sky High or Zorro. Not executives, FANS.

 

[bsquad]

The kid doesn't have a family. His parent's aren't even husband and wife, and the fact that he is someone else's child entirely is truly a quandrary.

Seriouly, I was hoping this wouldn't be resolved outright becaues I don't think Supes flying off (regardless of the reasons) isn't cool. I want to see him raise his child and be faced with even bigger circumstances than just trying to find a place in the world.

Actually, what I see Singer do with this child mirrors the apathy some young kids have for Superman. Singer is not only trying to introduce Supes to us, the adults. He is also trying to re-introduce Supes to the kiddies, and what better way to do that than to give him a child.

Again, it actually looks like Lois/Superman/Clark won't end up together from this movie, but seriously...how much of the GP do you think is going to want to see that????

That is like Julia Roberts not getting with Richard Gear at the end of Pretty Woman? I mean, do you think the GP wanted her to continue on being a prostitute?

Please, don't make an analogy...I'm only saying this to indirectly talk to those who don't want to debate the point with me outright.

why would he not have a family? they are not married yes but he has Lois and Richard who love him and are there for him. His mom and dad. That's family.

 

[charl_huntress]

I just want it in writing with the studio that the kid will not morph the series into "Sky High"...yes, I realize Singer would likely never do that, but if he ends up not doing all of the sequels and it falls into the wrong hands (read McG, or BRett Ratner) then we could have trouble

Give me a contract guranteeing that ^ and I'd breathe easier about the kid.

Uhh...really...is that what it will take You need to try and build some sort of faith in Singer. I know you don't want to, but c'mon....

 

[charl_huntress]

I mean the linchpin of a lot of these arguments include the idea that Superman is never selfish--and then changing the definition of selfish to fit the concepts they want it to fit too.

For example, earlier in this thread, someone actually put forth the idea that being a parent is SELFISH. Or that wanting kids is a selfish act. And then, in the same argument, the definitions between selfish and selfless flip flop in some sort of weird attempt to justify a vague, nebulous contrariness to the possibility of Superman having a kid.

Keep speaking on Fatboy...someone will eventually get it.

 

[fangrl06]

I mean the linchpin of a lot of these arguments include the idea that Superman is never selfish--and then changing the definition of selfish to fit the concepts they want it to fit too.

For example, earlier in this thread, someone actually put forth the idea that being a parent is SELFISH. Or that wanting kids is a selfish act. And then, in the same argument, the definitions between selfish and selfless flip flop in some sort of weird attempt to justify a vague, nebulous contrariness to the possibility of Superman having a kid.

Oh, I see. I can understand Superman backing off at first, thinking the kid is not his son, and then finding out it is and trying to win Lois back. That is not selfish to me.

 

[MoreCowbell]

riight...I'm sure he'll stay that way through however many sequels they put together.

So you're debating about SR2? OK, that's not stupid...

1). See SR first

2). Jason never has to be a main character. His role is to add depth to Lois and Clark. Wait and see what Bryan, Dan and Mike do. Have some faith.

 

[charl_huntress]

why would he not have a family? they are not married yes but he has Lois and Richard who love him and are there for him. His mom and dad. That's family. And Superman flyign off is all he can do at that time. What else should he do, kill Richard? He even told her that he will always be around, so its not like he won't be there if they need him-it's just that he can't be there in a classical sense because that would be breaking up what they (Richard, Lois and Jason)have.

Superman...the child's father has returned, so that is going to turn whatever family (if there was one) on it's head. That's been my point. Why don't you folks want Superman to raise his own son? Yes, we will feel sympathy for Richard, and it's sad for him if Lois leaves him or he leave her. However, what are really talking about here?

 

[Superman79]

Uhh...really...is that what it will take You need to try and build some sort of faith in Singer. I know you don't want to, but c'mon....

I have faith in Singer, I do...I never once questioned Routh (the briefs yes, the neckline yes, the maroon yes) but everything else ...no.

I trust Singer...I just don't trust the potential butt-monkeys they might get to handle the project later.

 

[Venom71]

ooooh, you think i've forgotten, don't you...

well i still want my five bucks, mint monopoly tender, now ven.

Actually I forgot...my memory isn't as good as it use to be.

 

[Superman79]

Oh, I see. I can understand Superman backing off at first, thinking the kid is not his son, and then finding out it is and trying to win Lois back. That is not selfish to me.

True...unselfish to want to be a good dad...but not cool being a homewrecker...Richard has been "dad" for 5 years, and clearly (given the reported ending) still will be for some time. Break up the home so SUper-dad can get in on it, while needed for the plot to tie up nicely, makes Supes look a bit bad given Richard is such a great guy.

 

[charl_huntress]

I have faith in Singer, I do...I never once questioned Routh (the briefs yes, the neckline yes, the maroon yes) but everything else ...no.

I trust Singer...I just don't trust the potential butt-monkeys they might get to handle the project later.

Okay..NOW this we can agree on. I have always said that I want Singer to stay on for this until it's complete (at least for a three movie run). I'm stoked he left X-Men and didn't try to work out his differences with FOX to come onboard for SR. However, if he adds the child he at least needs to see it through or pick a director who follows his vision.

I also don't want to see some idiot pick up the reigns like Ratner did for X-3 and totally screw it so it's not the pinnacle movie it should have been. I'm just hoping that Singer, himself, knows this and doesn't jump ship for Logan's Run or some other type bull****.

edit:

I'm actually hoping WB is smarter than FOX since it's that studio which screwed over Singer returning to X-Men

 

[MoreCowbell]

I have faith in Singer, I do...I never once questioned Routh (the briefs yes, the neckline yes, the maroon yes) but everything else ...no.

I trust Singer...I just don't trust the potential butt-monkeys they might get to handle the project later.

Why do you think he'll leave? X-men is an exception. They should of signed him asap for X3, but they put it off and kept dicking him. Fox ran Singer out of town. I think he's here to stay for 3 films.

 

[Venom71]

True...unselfish to want to be a good dad...but not cool being a homewrecker...Richard has been "dad" for 5 years, and clearly (given the reported ending) still will be for some time. Break up the home so SUper-dad can get in on it, while needed for the plot to tie up nicely, makes Supes look a bit bad given Richard is such a great guy.

What if it is Richard's choice to get out of the relationship and Superman has nothing to do with it? That is a possibility ya knnow.

 

[fangrl06]

True...unselfish to want to be a good dad...but not cool being a homewrecker...Richard has been "dad" for 5 years, and clearly (given the reported ending) still will be for some time. Break up the home so SUper-dad can get in on it, while needed for the plot to tie up nicely, makes Supes look a bit bad given Richard is such a great guy.

I think it would be more wrong for Lois to marry some guy she didn't love.

 

[fangrl06]

What if it is Richard's choice to get out of the relationship and Superman has nothing to do with it? That is a possibility ya knnow.

Yes it is. And Superman needs to be around to help the kid cope with his powers.