Ready Lounger One

[Spider-Fan]

Honestly, outside of an MCU FF film, a Hulk sequel is probably the number 1 thing I want to see Marvel do. Ruffallo deserves one. I would agree we don't need another Hulk vs government movie. Honestly, I would like to see something conceptually similar to the Gamma World 2 parter from Avengers: EMH. The Leader is still out there, we don't know what happened to all those samples of Banner's DNA. I would like to see the Leader do something with Hulk's DNA. In the cartoon episode, he basically infected a city with Gamma radiation and turned everyone into monsters. Only Hulk and those with an antidote could stop him. One of my favorite 2 parters. If I was doing a Hulk sequel, that's my concept. Plus, if the city itself mutates people not already infected with Gamma, instantly gives you a reason only Banner can fight him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just wanted a straight forward Hulk story. An experiment goes wrong and turns a guy into a monster. Didn't need the abusive childhood storyline for me.

Ang Lee's film I don't think was conceptually flawed, it just didn't turn out the way anyone wanted. I think the core story was there, and I liked some of the style and honestly, in 2003 CGI I can forgive how Hulk looked. But, the movie tonally didn't work. It wanted to be a super serious take on Hulk, but we got mutant poodles and Nick Nolte chewing scenery. Doesn't mesh well with the tone Ang was going for. The film is also way too long. At the end of the day, it still needs to be an action movie, and it often times forgets that. Heck, I don't think we actually see the Hulk for almost an hour!

 

[Flint Marko]

I guess I was surprised by this reaction simply because Luke's arc didn't seem that shocking to me. It was fairly close to what I had assumed after TFA. It didn't at all feel like the surprising "subversion" that so many seemed to see it as, so the outrage kind of came out of left field for me. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I never read any of the extended universe stuff so I didn't have any other grand ideas about what an older Luke would be like, I dunno. But Johnson's take on the Force and the Jedi is something that was touched on in the prequels but not in a remotely satisfying way, so I was very pleased he chose to explore it more through Luke in this film.

Nailed it.

Basically the only thing I had gathered was that people didn't care for Luke's portrayal. I expected him to become evil or kill a beloved character or something, but instead we got more or less what I expected based off the ending of TFA. I really didn't think it was all that subversive or unexpected, let alone a "betrayal" of the character by any means.

Then again I'm not a Star Wars fan so I don't come to it with pre-conceived notions, but even so, it's a genuinely good movie that I think would/should easily surpass that.

But yeah, Star Wars does seem to be the most possessive fandom and that really says something based on the amount of diaper-filling there was in the Homecoming boards leading up to that release. I still remember one guy freaking out that Aunt May wasn't going to be portrayed as a good cook.

I just wanted a straight forward Hulk story. An experiment goes wrong and turns a guy into a monster. Didn't need the abusive childhood storyline for me.

I think the abusive childhood story could have worked..... they just built a really dumb, unpleasant movie around it where Shrek-Hulk fights gamma poodles and his hobo father in the desert. It's an admirable attempt at..... something, but wow did it not work for me.

The Incredible Hulk is a pretty "meh" movie overall, but it's a big step up in almost every way.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Honestly, outside of an MCU FF film, a Hulk sequel is probably the number 1 thing I want to see Marvel do. Ruffallo deserves one. I would agree we don't need another Hulk vs government movie. Honestly, I would like to see something conceptually similar to the Gamma World 2 parter from Avengers: EMH. The Leader is still out there, we don't know what happened to all those samples of Banner's DNA. I would like to see the Leader do something with Hulk's DNA. In the cartoon episode, he basically infected a city with Gamma radiation and turned everyone into monsters. Only Hulk and those with an antidote could stop him. One of my favorite 2 parters. If I was doing a Hulk sequel, that's my concept. Plus, if the city itself mutates people not already infected with Gamma, instantly gives you a reason only Banner can fight him.

While my dream would be some kind of CROSSROADS adaptation I also think there is an untapped potential in having a film with the U-Foes as the baddies. Great visuals, little known to the wider audience and I think it would be unique to have the hero up against not simply a grab bag of villains but a bona fide villain team. Plus they offer a wide variety in terms of spectacle. I meanon paper they are really formidable.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I guess I was surprised by this reaction simply because Luke's arc didn't seem that shocking to me. It was fairly close to what I had assumed after TFA. It didn't at all feel like the surprising "subversion" that so many seemed to see it as, so the outrage kind of came out of left field for me. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I never read any of the extended universe stuff so I didn't have any other grand ideas about what an older Luke would be like, I dunno. But Johnson's take on the Force and the Jedi is something that was touched on in the prequels but not in a remotely satisfying way, so I was very pleased he chose to explore it more through Luke in this film.

The outrage I don't think really came out of left field. I agree, what Johnson did is sort of what I expected based on where Luke was in TFA. But, Luke was the heart of the OT. I know for me, he has always been a character I admired (along the lines of Captain America or Superman in that regard for me...why he is one of my favorites). I think this is almost like Tiger Woods in a way. When his personal life came crashing down around him, he got demystified by many. Same here with Luke. When many saw Luke taken where he was, they rejected it. How could my idol fall so far from grace? It's a shock to the system. I think this has blinded people to what the actual story was. TLJ is a great tale about failure and picking yourself up from your boot straps. Learning from your failures or those of your mentor, and growing because of it. Luke is the heart of that story, and where I found his ultimate redemption inspirational, others only saw their demystified idol.

That's my take at least.

 

[Iceman]

Ang Lee's film I don't think was conceptually flawed, it just didn't turn out the way anyone wanted. I think the core story was there, and I liked some of the style and honestly, in 2003 CGI I can forgive how Hulk looked. But, the movie tonally didn't work. It wanted to be a super serious take on Hulk, but we got mutant poodles and Nick Nolte chewing scenery. Doesn't mesh well with the tone Ang was going for. The film is also way too long. At the end of the day, it still needs to be an action movie, and it often times forgets that. Heck, I don't think we actually see the Hulk for almost an hour!

Yeah, those things don't really go well together.

 

[Flint Marko]

It is pretty nuts that we're not getting a Hulk movie in the golden age of superhero films. Damn you, Universal.

I've heard some theorize that a Hulk movie is so difficult because he basically spends the majority of the movie trying to fight/get rid of the one thing audiences come to see.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That's a Joss Whedon theory, and not one that especially reflects the comics.

 

[squeekness]

This is how I feel right now. Crazy day already. My father in law passed away last night.

 

[Flint Marko]

This is how I feel right now. Crazy day already. My father in law passed away last night.

Dang. So sorry to hear that Squeek

 

[Spider-Fan]

My condolences squeeks

 

[Iceman]

Sorry to hear

 

[flickchick85]

Very sorry to hear that, squeeks.

 

[squeekness]

Thanks, guys. We knew it was coming but husband is still in a kind of shock over it. I've been through this already with both of my parents so I know how it feels.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This is how I feel right now. Crazy day already. My father in law passed away last night.

My condolences.

I've heard some theorize that a Hulk movie is so difficult because he basically spends the majority of the movie trying to fight/get rid of the one thing audiences come to see.

It should be an old one, cause at this point our Hulk has a chance at starring in a movie distant from that mold.

That's a Joss Whedon theory, and not one that especially reflects the comics.

I thought his theory was that it's hard to give focus in a film to two different characters inhabiting one body, when one possess so much strength.

 

[2kt09]

The outrage I don't think really came out of left field. I agree, what Johnson did is sort of what I expected based on where Luke was in TFA. But, Luke was the heart of the OT. I know for me, he has always been a character I admired (along the lines of Captain America or Superman in that regard for me...why he is one of my favorites). I think this is almost like Tiger Woods in a way. When his personal life came crashing down around him, he got demystified by many. Same here with Luke. When many saw Luke taken where he was, they rejected it. How could my idol fall so far from grace? It's a shock to the system. I think this has blinded people to what the actual story was. TLJ is a great tale about failure and picking yourself up from your boot straps. Learning from your failures or those of your mentor, and growing because of it. Luke is the heart of that story, and where I found his ultimate redemption inspirational, others only saw their demystified idol.

That's my take at least.

This whole Luke thing feels much more limited to a smaller subset. The broader "fan" audience saw a movie that just kept changing its tone on a whim and constantly trying to 'subvert expectations' to where it practically came across as any number of its already existing parodies.

I'm genuinely curious even more than ever what Lord & Miller supposedly did that got them kicked off Solo.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

This is how I feel right now. Crazy day already. My father in law passed away last night.

Sorry to hear this awful news Squeekness...

 

[squeekness]

Thanks. We all had a nap -- Me, my husband, and the dogs -- and we feel better now. Funny hoe exhausting all this can be even when you sort of know it's coming.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Thoughts with you and your hubby squeeks, prayers with you both.

 

[squeekness]

Thanks. I've been through this before with my own parents, it just makes things feel strange, knowing you're never going to see that person again. Funny how you know everyone eventually dies, that you still feel odd when it happens. He had a good life, he was 78.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Thanks. I've been through this before with my own parents, it just makes things feel strange, knowing you're never going to see that person again.

Grieving is a personal process, every time is heartbreaking. Time is not a healer as some say, having someone to share the pain with is a help, I wish you all well.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Thanks. I've been through this before with my own parents, it just makes things feel strange, knowing you're never going to see that person again. Funny how you know everyone eventually dies, that you still feel odd when it happens. He had a good life, he was 78.

Sorry about your husband's loss. It's good he has someone as nice as you to be with him at a time like this.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Sorry to hear that Squeeks but such is life as one person goes into the heavens a new person enters our world. A friend of mine had a baby girl born this afternoon. Circle of life and all that.

 

[squeekness]

Grieving is a personal process, every time is heartbreaking. Time is not a healer as some say, having someone to share the pain with is a help, I wish you all well.

Sorry about your husband's loss. It's good he has someone as nice as you to be with him at a time like this.

Thanks.

Sorry to hear that Squeeks but such is life as one person goes into the heavens a new person enters our world. A friend of mine had a baby girl born this afternoon. Circle of life and all that.

I like this thought.

 

[Reek]

That's a shame squeekinator. im sorry.


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