🇺🇸 Ridin’ with Biden: It's Joever

[MagnarTheGreat]

Biden: Israel and Hamas have agreed to ceasefire, hostage deal framework

The US president said that while more work was needed, Israel and Hamas agreed to the framework of the deal.

m.jpost.com

 

[BatLobster]

Point being, we can all be selective about which polls we want to believe, or take them all with a grain of salt and keep eyes on the prize. Regardless of what any polls say, there needs to be a level of focus and discipline as if he's down 10 points in every state. Being down in the polls shouldn't be a cause mass panic the same way being up in the polls shouldn't cause laziness and complacency.

 

[squeekness]

Biden: Israel and Hamas have agreed to ceasefire, hostage deal framework

The US president said that while more work was needed, Israel and Hamas agreed to the framework of the deal.

m.jpost.com

I'll believe it when it actually happens.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Point being, we can all be selective about which polls we want to believe, or take them all with a grain of salt and keep eyes on the prize. Regardless of what any polls say, there needs to be a level of focus and discipline as if he's down 10 points in every state. Being down in the polls shouldn't be a cause mass panic the same way being up in the polls shouldn't cause laziness and complacency.

You do understand that applies no matter who at the top of the ticket, right? The idea that people need to only back Biden for this to happen makes zero sense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because there’s still an obvious clear contrast there that we could collectively choose to focus on, and I want to talk about it because it matters to me and I know that still matters to other people too. I also think the narrative that he’s this absolute zombie is just not true and I want to speak against that. I think if he’s to step down, it should be for a clear reason. Right now there’s a real lack of clarity in terms of whether his critics actually think he’s in true rapid decline and unable to do the job he is currently doing, think he’s actually fine but are more concerned about the optics, and concern about where his general polling and approval ratings were pre-debate and are jumping on the debate as an exit ramp. I’m guessing it’s some various combos of some or all of the above for different folks. But I think the lack of clarity exposes a weakness in the overall messaging around it currently. IMO. It just reads as naked fear, which turns people off.

It was also somewhat in response to your comment about being infuriated that people who went nuts over Trump’s gaffes are supporting Biden. I mean don’t get me wrong, I loved me some covfefe memes, but that was basically emperor has no clothes sorta humor to help cope in dark times. Trump’s own gaffes are the very last item on in a multivolume encyclopedia of reasons he’s unfit for office, though I do think the media could spend more time talking about those because it could at least neutralize this false notion that it’s something unique to Biden.

This feels like clear example of why Dems lose elections, even with more people willing to vote for them.

Biden is 100% zombie in the eyes of the public. And that's all that matters. When people say he had gaffes in the past, they ignore he's under a microscope now, with a country that does not think he's fit enough to be president. The majority of Dems think he is unfit. So everything is magnified and it results in it taking up all the oxygen in the room. Trump is being lowkey, because he can. Because of Biden's poor performance.

Why do you think Trump and Fox News want him to stay in?

 

[InCali]

Having Biden at the top of the ticket is a risky move. I believe he was on an upward trajectory prior to the debate and his performance hurt him. I think the same happened to Trump. "IF" Biden can avoid the horrible showing he had at the debate, I think he has a much bigger upside than does Trump. The problem is that we don't know if he can avoid those moments and if he doesn't, there's a big downside to his candidacy.

I don't know if Kamala would have a better chance in the election than Joe does. Frankly, she doesn't come across to me as very likeable. It shouldn't matter one goddamn bit, but I think it does. I just don't see a good solution to this problem and, ultimately, we're going to have to go with whatever Joe decides.

If this election is a referendum on Biden's age, he likely loses. If it becomes a referendum on Trump's policies, he's toast. If it's a mix, who knows for sure, but I give the Dems a slight edge. They have to push Trump's complete and utter lack of fitness for office. If the economy gets better, that'll be advantage Biden/whomever. Ditto for IF this Gaza situation can be resolved. The administration, however, handled it very poorly IMO and gave way too much leeway to Netanyahu.

 

[Iceman]

I think it honestly could be a blessing in disguise that he set the bar so low with his first debate. Plenty of room for another “Comeback Joe” narrative to start forming. I mean, it’s already kinda happening depending on whose polls you’re believing. I think he can and will do better.

The months ahead are going to be insane and scary, no matter what happens. If Biden stays or drops out it’s gonna be insane and it’s going to be a tight race. I really believe we all just have to do what we have to stay sane, take care of ourselves, be discerning about which narratives we choose to integrate into our psyches and propagate. As corny as it sounds, we have to stay positive. And I mean that not just in the sense that we have to blindly support Biden, but also if he drops out and that then becomes hot new fear clickbait narrative we’re dealing with. Because believe me, as much as the press is banning the drum for him to drop out now, once he did, they’d pivot to running nonstop with “DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY”, “TRUMP SURGING AHEAD IN POLLS”, fill in the blank on the nightmare fuel headlines. I know that may seem overly cynical read, but my point is we just have to just stay focused and remember that we the people do get a say in how these narratives unfold too. And in a broader, more hippy/woo kinda sense I really do believe in the power of positive vibes and that widespread fear will always do nothing but benefit the bad guys. I think it’s important to stay conscious of that.

On that note, here’s a shot and chaser.

I hadn't thought of that and there could be well be a comeback narrative if he somehow nails the next debate. Just feels like we're in high risk territory right now whatever the next strategy. I was a little worried ahead of the debate as it felt like there was little to gain with Trump being Teflon and in case there was any issue with Biden, but it was an underlying fear rather than something I thought would actually happen. Ideally we want as few material events as possible (outside of hopefully a strong second debate recovery) as there is way more downside potential for Dems than Trump where any ridiculous event could be spun as fake news to supporters.

I'm not from the US but outside of here I won't be bringing this up or pushing it as it's only going to help feed the other side's narrative - unless there is a change at the top in the next couple of weeks (Dems really need to get everyone behind closed doors right now and make a decision one way or the other and stick with it and silence any more public uncertainty).

Trump has such a large laundry list of issues that nothing sticks. He is all over the place too but wherever both have weaknesses it's a potential gain for him as his stock seems to not change a whole lot even when indicted/impeached whereas the Dems are divided even when things are fine, and much more vulnerable to bad news events sticking.

I do subscribe to the positivity vibe though, best way to be to deal with these tough times and help channel a positive result.

 

[squeekness]

I'm watching Biden's Detroit speech right now and so far he's looking pretty good to me.

 

[BatLobster]

Tbh, I'm more and more actually starting to think this whole narrative could be starting to backfire because of how pissed and energized it's making Biden's core supporters.


Narratives can flip on a dime. As strange as it sounds I think it could help him in the long run. America loves a good comeback story, gives him the underdog narrative which normally a sitting President wouldn't have. There's a renewed energy I'm feeling since he's been fighting for his political life. I also believe older folks are taking all the attacks on his age personally. And if there’s one guarantee about elections, it’s that old people vote. Just hopefully he does a lot better in the next debate and keeps the positive momentum up. In the meantime you can keep the focus on the administration wins, which benefits a potential Harris candidacy just as much if that's how things ended up playing out. There's a smart way to hedge your bets vs. this all out bloodbath we've seen. If the movement to replace him was organic and grassroots-led, that’s one thing, but I’m telling you there’s a huge corporate/“elite” stink on this thing that is really starting infuriate a lot of people. Maybe it’s a YMMV thing but it’s all I’ve seen on my feed for the past couple of weeks.

And @DarthSkywalker far as Fox goes, I think they're just drinking the MAGA Kool-Aid. They are making the same assumption as the Dems and pundits that his loss is all but assured and probably think they're being clever, plus no matter what they say it just adds fuel to the division. It's helpful to note that the MAGA world aren't the brightest bunch. They also believe Trump won the 2020 election, so I could care less what they think or what game they're trying to play. I see so many bots on X saying Joe must drop out. Both sides are being played by the bad guys. I think we're just in a chaotic information warfare environment that’s playing out before our eyes.

 

[squeekness]

Tbh, I'm more and more actually starting to think this whole narrative could be starting to backfire because of how pissed and energized it's making Biden's core supporters.


Narratives can flip on a dime. As strange as it sounds I think it could help him in the long run. America loves a good comeback story, gives him the underdog narrative which normally a sitting President wouldn't have. There's a renewed energy I'm feeling since he's been fighting for his political life. I also believe older folks are taking all the attacks on his age personally. And if there’s one guarantee about elections, it’s that old people vote. Just hopefully he does a lot better in the next debate and keeps the positive momentum up. In the meantime you can keep the focus on the administration wins, which benefits a potential Harris candidacy just as much if that's how things ended up playing out. There's a smart way to hedge your bets vs. this all out bloodbath we've seen. If the movement to replace him was organic and grassroots-led, that’s one thing, but I’m telling you there’s a huge corporate/“elite” stink on this thing that is really starting infuriate a lot of people. Maybe it’s a YMMV thing but it’s all I’ve seen on my feed for the past couple of weeks.

And @DarthSkywalker far as Fox goes, I think they're just drinking the MAGA Kool-Aid. They are making the same (assumption as the Dems and pundits that his loss is all but assured and probably think they're being clever, plus no matter what they say it just adds fuel to the division. It's helpful to note that the MAGA world aren't the brightest bunch. They also believe Trump won the 2020 election, so I could care less what they think or what game they're trying to play. I see so many bots on X saying Joe must drop out. Both sides are being played by the bad guys. I think we're just in a chaotic information warfare environment that’s playing out before our eyes.

You may be right about Biden. He was pretty on fire today and so was the crowd. Hope that momentum keeps going.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tbh, I'm more and more actually starting to think this whole narrative could be starting to backfire because of how pissed and energized it's making Biden's core supporters.


Narratives can flip on a dime. As strange as it sounds I think it could help him in the long run. America loves a good comeback story, gives him the underdog narrative which normally a sitting President wouldn't have. There's a renewed energy I'm feeling since he's been fighting for his political life. I also believe older folks are taking all the attacks on his age personally. And if there’s one guarantee about elections, it’s that old people vote. Just hopefully he does a lot better in the next debate and keeps the positive momentum up. In the meantime you can keep the focus on the administration wins, which benefits a potential Harris candidacy just as much if that's how things ended up playing out. There's a smart way to hedge your bets vs. this all out bloodbath we've seen. If the movement to replace him was organic and grassroots-led, that’s one thing, but I’m telling you there’s a huge corporate/“elite” stink on this thing that is really starting infuriate a lot of people. Maybe it’s a YMMV thing but it’s all I’ve seen on my feed for the past couple of weeks.

And @DarthSkywalker far as Fox goes, I think they're just drinking the MAGA Kool-Aid. They are making the same (assumption as the Dems and pundits that his loss is all but assured and probably think they're being clever, plus no matter what they say it just adds fuel to the division. It's helpful to note that the MAGA world aren't the brightest bunch. They also believe Trump won the 2020 election, so I could care less what they think or what game they're trying to play. I see so many bots on X saying Joe must drop out. Both sides are being played by the bad guys. I think we're just in a chaotic information warfare environment that’s playing out before our eyes.

Biden's core supporters are voting for him anyways. Just like Trump's. Imagine thinking a Trump rally where his supporters are cheering him is relevant to the independent voters. It's not.

 

[BatLobster]

Biden's core supporters are voting for him anyways. Just like Trump's. Imagine thinking a Trump rally where his supporters are cheering him is relevant to the independent voters. It's not.

My point is there is a renewed passion there that I think is more alive that it was before the debate and the whole aftermath. So for one, it shows that it definitely would cause some damage to morale if people feel he’s been forced out, and secondly…if we’re saying this whole election is about vibes more than it’s about facts, well stuff like that is a good vibe to have out there for the Biden campaign. Especially because it’s not like a generic “Let’s go Joe” chant, they’re sending a loud a clear and middle finger to the George Clooneys and David Axelrods of the world with that. The fact that it’s a Michigan rally is relevant in the overall landscape of this narrative. Gives me faith that there will be a strong ground game there.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My point is there is a renewed passion there that I think is more alive that it was before the debate and the whole aftermath. So for one, it shows that it definitely would cause some damage to morale if people feel he’s been forced out, and secondly…if we’re saying this whole election is about vibes more than it’s about facts, well stuff like that is a good vibe to have out there for the Biden campaign. Especially because it’s not like a generic “Let’s go Joe” chant, they’re sending a loud a clear and middle finger to the George Clooneys and David Axelrods of the world there. The fact that it’s a Michigan rally, it is relevant in the overall landscape of this narrative.

From who? The people who are already passionate. This isn't going to make young people passionate. They watch the memes and the American bombs killing Palestinians. Not independents. They've seen what he is often now.

So who's relevant passion is peaked here?

 

[BatLobster]

From who? The people who are already passionate. This isn't going to make young people passionate. They watch the memes and the American bombs killing Palestinians. Not independents. They've seen what he is often now.

So who's relevant passion is peaked here?

I’ll be honest, it’s Friday man. I don’t want to go tit for tat with you. I know it’s coming from a good place, all of us dread a second Trump presidency and all that would entail. We all have 2016 PTSD. And I have no problem being challenged in good faith. This is a complex moment, there aren’t easy answers. Fundamentally it comes down to whether or not one thinks a last minute Harris ticket stands a meaningfully better chance. I personally do not feel that way, and think there is just as much reason for concern that she might fare worse. But nobody can know for sure. I only know that as of now, Biden is the President and is staying in. I shared the clip because I thought it was cool, and there’s no reason that kind of stuff can’t go viral too. It felt like a meaningful moment to me, beyond just the people at that rally. Energy can be contagious.

It’s not so much that I am staunchly pro-Biden so much as I try to be anti-doom and gloom, especially when I think there’s still reason for optimism. If Harris became the nominee tomorrow, then yeah, I’ll have my gripes about how it went down but I’d still be arguing the reasons to be enthusiastic for her to anyone I encounter who is skeptical. I just am tired of the infighting over what feels like splitting hairs. At a certain point, we can play the hand we’ve been dealt or we can moan and drag our feet all the way to November. I have no interest in doing the latter, not with so much at stake. I think it’s important to keep our spirits up. It’s gonna be a long election. I had this talk with a younger coworker the other day who was expressing his apathy towards the election to me, and I think I at least somewhat got through to him. So I believe we all can have our tiny little roles to play in moving the needle ever so slightly.

 

[Lily Adler]

Point being, we can all be selective about which polls we want to believe, or take them all with a grain of salt and keep eyes on the prize. Regardless of what any polls say, there needs to be a level of focus and discipline as if he's down 10 points in every state. Being down in the polls shouldn't be a cause mass panic the same way being up in the polls shouldn't cause laziness and complacency.

To secure the vote he will invite beloved rapper Kanye West to the White House.

 

[InCali]

To secure the vote he will invite beloved rapper Kanye West to the White Nut House.

 

[<(o_o)>]

All those Democrats who want Biden to drop out of the race are selfish & must not have any faith in their own record to win on their own merit, so they have to resort to bullying an old man trying to get him out. We need all the Democrats we can get to be reelected to keep the Republicans from doing bad things. Maybe their chances of being reelected are still better under Biden if they have a good record regardless. 4 months to go so they need to be out campaigning for themselves & Biden also if they are so worried about not being reelected.

 

[Snow Queen]

All those Democrats who want Biden to drop out of the race are selfish & must not have any faith in their own record to win on their own merit, so they have to resort to bullying an old man trying to get him out. We need all the Democrats we can get to be reelected to keep the Republicans from doing bad things. Maybe their chances of being reelected are still better under Biden if they have a good record regardless. 4 months to go so they need to be out campaigning for themselves & Biden also if they are so worried about not being reelected.

Poor most powerful man in the country being bullied.

 

[Lily Adler]

Poor most powerful man in the country being bullied.

What does Jeff Bezos have to do with this?

 

[squeekness]

All those Democrats who want Biden to drop out of the race are selfish & must not have any faith in their own record to win on their own merit, so they have to resort to bullying an old man trying to get him out. We need all the Democrats we can get to be reelected to keep the Republicans from doing bad things. Maybe their chances of being reelected are still better under Biden if they have a good record regardless. 4 months to go so they need to be out campaigning for themselves & Biden also if they are so worried about not being reelected.

Agreed. All of this handwringing makes us look bad. It does seem to me that the calls for him to drop out is fading, mainly because it's just too close to the election to switch hitters now. The focus needs to be about Trump and Project 2025, those are the bigger threats. If Biden croaks over the next four years, Harris will at least keep Democracy and the Constitution intact until the election after that.

 

[InCali]

All those Democrats who want Biden to drop out of the race are selfish & must not have any faith in their own record to win on their own merit, so they have to resort to bullying an old man trying to get him out. We need all the Democrats we can get to be reelected to keep the Republicans from doing bad things. Maybe their chances of being reelected are still better under Biden if they have a good record regardless. 4 months to go so they need to be out campaigning for themselves & Biden also if they are so worried about not being reelected.

IMO, those people are afraid for their own asses.....not much different than low life republicans who care more about themselves than they care for doing their job. To be clear, I don't know if Biden dropping out or not is best for the country and the world (be it short or long term), but, look, if he doesn't or isn't leaving the race, and you want to do as well in the upcoming elections as possible, get over it. In other words, make your decision based on what you think is best overall and not for yourself. I know I'm preaching to the wrong choir (ie Congress), that's pretty much how I see it.

If you want Trump to win and think it'll lead to a democratic resurgence (small D), fine. If you think Trump is a great guy, fine (but you're an idiot). You're elected reps and, I know it sounds silly, but maybe you can start being honest with your constituents.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’ll be honest, it’s Friday man. I don’t want to go tit for tat with you. I know it’s coming from a good place, all of us dread a second Trump presidency and all that would entail. We all have 2016 PTSD. And I have no problem being challenged in good faith. This is a complex moment, there aren’t easy answers. Fundamentally it comes down to whether or not one thinks a last minute Harris ticket stands a meaningfully better chance. I personally do not feel that way, and think there is just as much reason for concern that she might fare worse. But nobody can know for sure. I only know that as of now, Biden is the President and is staying in. I shared the clip because I thought it was cool, and there’s no reason that kind of stuff can’t go viral too. It felt like a meaningful moment to me, beyond just the people at that rally. Energy can be contagious.

It’s not so much that I am staunchly pro-Biden so much as I try to be anti-doom and gloom, especially when I think there’s still reason for optimism. If Harris became the nominee tomorrow, then yeah, I’ll have my gripes about how it went down but I’d still be arguing the reasons to be enthusiastic for her to anyone I encounter who is skeptical. I just am tired of the infighting over what feels like splitting hairs. At a certain point, we can play the hand we’ve been dealt or we can moan and drag our feet all the way to November. I have no interest in doing the latter, not with so much at stake. I think it’s important to keep our spirits up. It’s gonna be a long election. I had this talk with a younger coworker the other day who was expressing his apathy towards the election to me, and I think I at least somewhat got through to him. So I believe we all can have our tiny little roles to play in moving the needle ever so slightly.

I don't want to go tit for tat, writes two paragraphs. Makes sense.

There are less reasons for optimism then you hint at. But with Blue MAGA, you'd think Biden's up 20 in the polls. Watching all this is like watching a Twilight Zone episode, and if Biden loses, I know who's going to be blamed. And it won't be our fault.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

All those Democrats who want Biden to drop out of the race are selfish & must not have any faith in their own record to win on their own merit, so they have to resort to bullying an old man trying to get him out. We need all the Democrats we can get to be reelected to keep the Republicans from doing bad things. Maybe their chances of being reelected are still better under Biden if they have a good record regardless. 4 months to go so they need to be out campaigning for themselves & Biden also if they are so worried about not being reelected.

This sounds like Trump talking about himself.

 

[Lily Adler]

Look for those who keep pointing out Trump is delululu, too. You have to realize Dems are pushing Biden as the saner choice which is hard to do when he's mixing up names and being sleepy during the debate while Trump rambles who shark skin is an aphrodisiac that he used on the minor that looks like Ivanka while complimenting her ass. For all intents and purposes, Kamala Harris would probably be a stronger candidate.

 

[blueharvest]

Biden blasts Project 2025 in Michigan and ties it to Trump in effort to regain footing

A more energetic Biden leaned into a line of attack that unifies Democrats and could appeal beyond his base as he seeks to move past the party infighting over his candidacy.

www.nbcnews.com