Robert Downey Jr. Is Doom - "Same task, new mask"

[BoredGuy]

I'm of the opposite mind. If we have to be dealt this stupid idea, the only way it even remotely works is if RDJ plays a classic Victor von Doom that just so happens to look like Tony Stark from the Sacred Timeline. Same scenario as Chris Evans' Johnny Storm and Chris Evans' Steve Rogers. It's purely a coincidence of appearance. Otherwise, they are two entirely different characters.

If they pivot and make this an evil Tony Stark variant that goes by the "Doctor Doom" moniker, I will lose my ****. Use Superior Iron Man if that's what you want to do.

Well that's true
But I think "Gee this Doom guy sure looks a lot like Tony" is equally as terrible

 

[Spider-Fan]

I see a lot of debate on the mask and the scars
I am gonna save yall the trouble. He is gonna be scarred....in Doomsday. In Secret Wars, he will pull off the mask, reveal he has no scars just like in the comic book, and then probably never wears it again the entire movie.

There, I saved yall the debate

 

[Arachnerd]

To be fair, Marvel didnt dump Majors who i enjoyed as Kang and think he is a talented actor, for his acting or the writing, he was dumped for his legal issues, and disney simply didnt want to deal with it, whether he was innocent or guilty, so they pressured Marvel to dump him and instead of recasting him, they pivoted to Doom, but again, i still dont fully understand RDJ being that choice, seems like a giant middle finger to all those MCU fans who loved him as Tony Stark.

I'm well aware of that as I discussed it in previous posts. I was talking purely about the failure in Kang's writing despite what was going on with Majors. They should have stuck with the character and recasted at this point, now whatever direction we had post-Endgame has been thrown out in favor of an arc that will be contained to only two movies with little if no buildup whatsoever, which makes Phase 4, 5 and 6 look more meandering than they already did.

 

[Boom]

Well that's true
But I think "Gee this Doom guy sure looks a lot like Tony" is equally as terrible

Everything about this is lame. It's really having to pick between the lesser of two ****ty ideas. At least give us a proper Doctor Doom and not a lazy co-opt for Tony Stark.

Also, play around with RDJ's appearance a little bit. Not to say they need to go this extreme, but they can make subtle changes to his looks to home drive home the point that these are different people.

 

[Venom 1988]

I've said before that Kang should've killed Hank Pym in Quantamania, beat Ant-Man to the brink of death and escape the Quantum Realm.

What's crazy is that part of this was the original idea. Before they did last minute reshoots in January 2023, the original ending had Kang trapping Scott in the Quantum Realm and then escaping. Doing that would have a made such a difference.

If they pivot and make this an evil Tony Stark variant that goes by the "Doctor Doom" moniker, I will lose my ****. Use Superior Iron Man if that's what you want to do.

The problem is Loki season 2 already established that variants can have different names and even be born in different time periods (Victor Timely). So even if he is Victor Von Doom, it doesn't matter.

 

[Arachnerd]

They're going to bank on other heroes recognizing him as looking like Tony, highly doubt he'll wear the mask for more than one scene. Heck, I can already see them shaping this into an arc of Holland's Spider-Man having to cope with this which irks me because once again, the character cannot escape Tony's shadow even with NWH in mind.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I'm of the opposite mind. If we have to be dealt this stupid idea, the only way it even remotely works is if RDJ plays a classic Victor von Doom that just so happens to look like Tony Stark from the Sacred Timeline. Same scenario as Chris Evans' Johnny Storm and Chris Evans' Steve Rogers. It's purely a coincidence of physical appearance. Otherwise, they are two entirely different characters.

If they pivot and make this an evil Tony Stark variant that goes by the "Doctor Doom" moniker, I will lose my ****. Use Superior Iron Man if that's what you want to do.

But that doesn't add any dramatic stakes to the story. Doom has to be a version of Tony.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But that doesn't add any dramatic stakes to the story. Doom has to be a version of Tony.

You don't cast RDJ if there won't be some type of Tony Stark connection. Regardless if he has a different name or accent or whatever, Doom is going to be connected to Tony.

 

[Boom]

Well then I'm fed up with this world.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

An evil variant of Tony being the villain is also the perfect excuse for our heroes to go and get Steve and maybe Peggy from that timeline where they got to live happily ever after.

 

[Arachnerd]

Well then I'm fed up with this world.

Same here, Tommy Wiseau.

An evil variant of Tony being the villain is also the perfect excuse for our heroes to go and get Steve and maybe Peggy from that timeline where they got to live happily ever after.

Yeah, I'd rather they not do that. Plus Chris Evans has already expressed that he doesn't want to play Cap again.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Same here, Tommy Wiseau.


Yeah, I'd rather they not do that. Plus Chris Evans has already expressed that he doesn't want to play Cap again.

Evans is playing Cap again. Unless since nothing matters, we bring him back for Secret Wars and now he is Magneto

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Same here, Tommy Wiseau.


Yeah, I'd rather they not do that. Plus Chris Evans has already expressed that he doesn't want to play Cap again.

Recently he has said that he's open to playing him again. With Russos also back I can guarantee that they'll bring the 616 Cap back.

 

[Arachnerd]

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Would anyone really be surprised if this turns out to be a huge nostalgia fest? I've expected Secret Wars to be that since they announced that it's happening. And if you're ever going to bring back the OG cast for one last ride then this is the story you do it for.

 

[Dark Raven]

Same here, Tommy Wiseau.


Yeah, I'd rather they not do that. Plus Chris Evans has already expressed that he doesn't want to play Cap again.

But has Evans expressed whether he wants to play someone else instead? Maybe Magneto?

 

[Arachnerd]

Spoiler

Well he's already played Johnny Storm again in Deadpool & Wolverine.

 

[BobJM]

Lol that's 100% going to be the big reveal.

I'm of the opposite mind. If we have to be dealt this stupid idea, the only way it even remotely works is if RDJ plays a classic Victor von Doom that just so happens to look like Tony Stark from the Sacred Timeline. Same scenario as Chris Evans' Johnny Storm and Chris Evans' Steve Rogers. It's purely a coincidence of physical appearance. Otherwise, they are two entirely different characters.

If they pivot and make this an evil Tony Stark variant that goes by the "Doctor Doom" moniker, I will lose my ****. Use Superior Iron Man if that's what you want to do.

Superior Iron Man as the big bad of the Multiverse Saga just makes sense. And it gets you the same audience good will & enthusiasm and just tie it to Earther 838--after Wanda decimated that universe's heroes, Stark realizes there are bigger threats out there beyond Thanos. So he goes full Superior Iron Man and begins sacrificing his morals for the greater good with an army of Ultron bots

 

[Chris B]

What's crazy is that part of this was the original idea. Before they did last minute reshoots in January 2023, the original ending had Kang trapping Scott in the Quantum Realm and then escaping. Doing that would have a made such a difference.


The problem is Loki season 2 already established that variants can have different names and even be born in different time periods (Victor Timely). So even if he is Victor Von Doom, it doesn't matter.

I'll honestly never understand why they changed all that to what we got. Feels like there was a last minute mandate to have a happy ending.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lol that's 100% going to be the big reveal.



Superior Iron Man as the big bad of the Multiverse Saga just makes sense. And it gets you the same audience good will & enthusiasm and just tie it to Earther 838--after Wanda decimated that universe's heroes, Stark realizes there are bigger threats out there beyond Thanos. So he goes full Superior Iron Man and begins sacrificing his morals for the greater good with an army of Ultron bots

We are essentially getting Superior Iron Man. They're just calling him Doctor Doom. That's how I am gonna have to look at this

 

[Chris B]

Having reflected on this since Saturday, my biggest criticism with this is that since this is a last minute pivot, there wont be the time to set-up Doom in order for him being the big bad to have the most impact. Its the equivalent of if the first Avengers had been the first time we had met Loki and you didn't have the first Thor film to to help lay the groundwork for him.

I could probably live with a Victor von Doom who just happens to look like Tony Stark because of the multiverse, but as one of the hopes was getting a proper Dr. Doom once Marvel got the rights back, its a shame that they're going in this direction.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

This is one of the biggest desperate castings of all time. So disappointed they went this stupid a** route.

I'll one up this post and say it is the biggest and most desperate casting of all time. the MCU is Hollywood's biggest franchise, RDJ is the most bankable star from said franchise, and thus this is their most desperate decision ever made.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Lol that's 100% going to be the big reveal.



Superior Iron Man as the big bad of the Multiverse Saga just makes sense. And it gets you the same audience good will & enthusiasm and just tie it to Earther 838--after Wanda decimated that universe's heroes, Stark realizes there are bigger threats out there beyond Thanos. So he goes full Superior Iron Man and begins sacrificing his morals for the greater good with an army of Ultron bots

I can’t remember who said it on here, but they proposed having Superior Iron Man be the big bad. You keep Kang with a new actor and have him in a smaller role, and shift to Avengers vs. X-Men as the lead up to Secret Wars.

They’d actually laid all the groundwork needed for this and it could’ve been the ultimate culmination of over twenty years of storytelling across multiple film studios. I could easily imagine an alt-Tony going evil after killing Steve and Bucky in CW.

But alas, we got whatever this will be.

I'll one up this post and say it is the biggest and most desperate casting of all time. the MCU is Hollywood's biggest franchise, RDJ is the most bankable star from said franchise, and thus is their most desperate decision ever made.

Combine that with them bringing their biggest directors back to helm the whole thing. It’s the ultimate act of desperation.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

What's crazy is that part of this was the original idea. Before they did last minute reshoots in January 2023, the original ending had Kang trapping Scott in the Quantum Realm and then escaping. Doing that would have a made such a difference.

I remember you telling me that awhile ago. Would have made a huge impact on that film and the MCU's future.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Combine that with them bringing their biggest directors back to helm the whole thing. It’s the ultimate act of desperation.

is that so? I wasn't even aware of that. I wonder if they're looking at social media reactions and even wondering if they did the right thing. well, they can't back out now. that would be too much retreading.