Ryan Coogler IS Marvel's 'Black Panther' Director

[McSir]

1. Whether Fox has any interest in making the movies is irrelevant if the contract prohibits Jordan from doing it. Plus, I doubt they're making any more Fantastic Four films with this cast. If Fox makes more, they'll re-cast.

What I'm saying is that by the time Chris Evans signed on to be Captain America, RotSS was three years in the past with no movement or even mention of a sequel. If Michael B. Jordan were cast within the next few months, it'd be quite a difference. Fox only just went back on their promise to make a sequel, they could easily put on in the works if they wanted to. Also, Marvel and Fox aren't on the best of terms. They could put a sequel into development just out of spite.

And I don't think they'd recast. They'd give it another go and reboot the time after that. Sequels get less hate than reboots, especially so soon.

Ok, I'll remove my tinfoil hat now.

 

[DeadStroke]

Coogler would up my excitement for this, and I'm already excited as Boseman was my top choice. I wanted Coogler for Cyborg, but this would be even better.

If this falls through WB would be stupid to not pick up that fumble.

Daniel Alter
‏@DAlter007
Had heard Coogler was offered Cyborg. Much rather see him do #BlackPanther 'Nuff said

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Pretty much the best answer he could have given. And it's precisely the same reason I was adamant that Wonder Woman have a female director.

Love his answer and it seems like he is stepping up to the plate and trying to put his money where his mouth is. I know Black Panther is a Marvel thing and he has to compromise but I hope Marvel compromises as well and lets him put his stamp on the film. If he can convince a diva like Stallone to do Creed then he should be able to work with Marvel, right?

 

[McSir]

Love his answer and it seems like he is stepping up to the plate and trying to put his money where his mouth is. I know Black Panther is a Marvel thing and he has to compromise but I hope Marvel compromises as well and lets him put his stamp on the film. If he can convince a diva like Stallone to do Creed then he should be able to work with Marvel, right?

You'd think. Plus, if we're going by the Russos' and James Gunn, Marvel is apparently a lot more open to playing ball then we're lead to believe. Although they may want to be a little more hands on with Black Panther since it's pretty socially important for them that it's a quality film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You'd think. Plus, if we're going by the Russos' and James Gunn, Marvel is apparently a lot more open to playing ball then we're lead to believe. Although they may want to be a little more hands on with Black Panther since it's pretty socially important for them that it's a quality film.

Yeah I understand Marvel being more...thoughtful about the moves they make concerning Black Panther and I'm not like some other people who believe that directors deserve carte blanche when working with someone else's 150-200 million dollars so yeah...compromise on both sides is a must. Hopefully it is like a Russo's and Gunn situation.

 

[The Wakandan]

I wish they'd explore that a bit more in the comics. They touch on it occasionally, but the only stories that specifically dealt with it were "Deadliest of Species" where Shuri and Storm take center stage, and a few moments with the Dora Milaje, midnight angels, and a character I definitely want to see again "Ma'ma".

Deadliest of the Species is still one of my favorite BP stories because of that. The supporting cast really came through, especially the women. And Storm stole the show on that one. The interactions between T'Challa and Storm in that story were excellent.

It's one of the few big 2 stories were every black female character was formidable in their own right. Very well done.

 

[Web-Head]

Is it almost a given Coogler directs BP now? Variety is pretty darn reliable

 

[Mike Murdock]

What I'm saying is that by the time Chris Evans signed on to be Captain America, RotSS was three years in the past with no movement or even mention of a sequel. If Michael B. Jordan were cast within the next few months, it'd be quite a difference. Fox only just went back on their promise to make a sequel, they could easily put on in the works if they wanted to. Also, Marvel and Fox aren't on the best of terms. They could put a sequel into development just out of spite.

And I don't think they'd recast. They'd give it another go and reboot the time after that. Sequels get less hate than reboots, especially so soon.

Ok, I'll remove my tinfoil hat now.

I disagree that sequels get less hate than reboots. Frankly, sequels have baggage. People who hate the original don't see the sequel. That's less true with reboots.

On top of that, Black Panther comes out in 2018. 2015 to 2018 is three years. Rise of the Silver Surfer to The First Avenger is four. It's not that much of a difference.

BTW, I said before, but Ryan Coogler's comments make me hopeful that he'll feel an added incentive to take the job as director. He feels it's important, Marvel wants him, he should take the job.

 

[McSir]

Yeah I understand Marvel being more...thoughtful about the moves they make concerning Black Panther and I'm not like some other people who believe that directors deserve carte blanche when working with someone else's 150-200 million dollars so yeah...compromise on both sides is a must. Hopefully it is like a Russo's and Gunn situation.

Hopefully. If what the Russos and Gunn say are true than the films with the least amount of over-the-shoulder producing seem to be the best.

I disagree that sequels get less hate than reboots. Frankly, sequels have baggage. People who hate the original don't see the sequel. That's less true with reboots.

I disagree back at you. I think people are more likely to see sequels in the hopes that they'll get better or just as something to do on the weekend. Reboots just get irritating, especially for franchises that have rebooted already. Spider-Man's facing an uphill battle by having the redo button hit so soon.

But, there might be evidence that proves me wrong. Until then, it would seem we've reached a friendly impasse.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think people are getting sick of reboots, I myself am completely over reboots. Spider-Man being rebooted again in such a short time span is ****ing exhausting. I wish Sony had never made the Amazing Spider-Man films a hard reboot.

When James Bond is recast I don't want to see another Bond Begins movie.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Hollywood kind of slowed down on reboots after the ASM2 disaster.

Now it's all about cinematic universes.

Not to mention Universal breaking new ground by revitalizing dying franchises like Fast and Furious and Jurassic Park.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Hopefully. If what the Russos and Gunn say are true than the films with the least amount of over-the-shoulder producing seem to be the best.



I disagree back at you. I think people are more likely to see sequels in the hopes that they'll get better or just as something to do on the weekend. Reboots just get irritating, especially for franchises that have rebooted already. Spider-Man's facing an uphill battle by having the redo button hit so soon.

But, there might be evidence that proves me wrong. Until then, it would seem we've reached a friendly impasse.

It's always speculative, isn't it? The Amazing Spider-Man rebooted rather than do a Spider-Man 4 after 3 (which was not well-received at all). X-Men Origins: Wolverine followed with The Wolverine. I'm not sure the latter would have been practical to reboot, but there's that question of whether Spider-Man 4 would have done better than The Amazing Spider-Man. As far as box office numbers, I don't think the first ASM did terribly. But there's no possible way to measure if it did better.

 

[Silvermoth]

Hollywood kind of slowed down on reboots after the ASM2 disaster.

Now it's all about cinematic universes.

Not to mention Universal breaking new ground by revitalizing dying franchises like Fast and Furious and Jurassic Park.

That's a good point actually. I didn't think about how we've switched so quickly from one trend to another

 

[McSir]

Hollywood kind of slowed down on reboots after the ASM2 disaster.

Now it's all about cinematic universes.

Not to mention Universal breaking new ground by revitalizing dying franchises like Fast and Furious and Jurassic Park.

Those cinematic universe are going to rely on several rebooted properties, though; especially the Universal Monsters an DCEU

 

[Wally_West]

Just watched Creed and it's easily one of my favorite movies of the year. If they can seal the deal with Coogler then that's a huuuuge deal. Kudos to Marvel if they can get him. Me thinks they will seal the deal though.

 

[fixxxer]

Loved Fruitvale Station. Loved Creed. Bring on the Coogler!

 

[rnewbz]

This is why Black Panther deserves a black director, whether it's Coogler or not: http://www.audienceseverywhere.net/...cism-and-your-mythic-best-person-for-the-job/

 

[Nokio]

This is why Black Panther deserves a black director, whether it's Coogler or not: http://www.audienceseverywhere.net/...cism-and-your-mythic-best-person-for-the-job/

Article proves nothing except that the writer did research before writing this article as opposed to being an actual comic fan. He lost all credibility when he dismissed the work of non black writers and said Reginald Hudlin did the best work.

 

[Wylie Times]

Article proves nothing except that the writer did research before writing this article as opposed to being an actual comic fan. He lost all credibility when he dismissed the work of non black writers and said Reginald Hudlin did the best work.

Nowhere in his article did he say Hudlin did "The best" work on Black Panther. He said the work of Hudlin and Priest was the most celebrated, which is true. You may not have liked Hudlin's Black Panther run but a LOT of people did, which is why it's the best selling run on Black Panther.

Priest's run never sold very well but it received lots of critical acclaim and it was clearly the most influential work done with the character.

Those who have read McGregor's work on Black Panther seem to like it (though there are complaints about) but the fact is many people simply haven't read it. Even fewer people have read the Kirby run or the mini series by Gillis.

And the Author also never dismissed the white writers who wrote Black Panther. He credited Stan and Jack for being so forward thinking in T'Challa creation but pointed out that many things in that portrayal still clearly came from a white male perspective.

 

[The Wakandan]

Nowhere in his article did he say Hudlin did "The best" work on Black Panther. He said the work of Hudlin and Priest was the most celebrated, which is true. You may not have liked Hudlin's Black Panther run but a LOT of people did, which is why it's the best selling run on Black Panther.

Priest's run never sold very well but it received lots of critical acclaim and it was clearly the most influential work done with the character.

Those who have read McGregor's work on Black Panther seem to like it (though there are complaints about) but the fact is many people simply haven't read it. Even fewer people have read the Kirby run or the mini series by Gillis.

And the Author also never dismissed the white writers who wrote Black Panther. He credited Stan and Jack for being so forward thinking in T'Challa creation but pointed out that many things in that portrayal still clearly came from a white male perspective.

I was about to comment on Nokio's post, but you beat me to it.

For the record, here's what the article actually said.

On Stan and Jack creating T'Challa:

To go back to the comics for a moment: I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard that because Black Panther was created by white guys, it shouldn’t matter if a white director brings the character to life on-screen. Yes, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the Black Panther in 1966, a brilliant white showman and a brilliant white artist created T’Challa, the first black superhero, and his people on the principle of doing something new in their well-established comic world. There’s a lot they got right about the character in the creation of a billionaire, scientific-genius, warrior superhero whose Wakandian people lived in one of the most advanced cities in the world. But make no mistake, that version of Black Panther was still entirely a limited white view on black people. People remember what Lee and Kirby got right in those introductory appearances, but tend to forget or ignore The Thing’s description of a tribal dance as cro-magnon people acting like they just invented the wheel, or that white characters are constantly in disbelief that Africans are capable of such advancements and aren’t just living in huts.

On Priest and Hudlin.

Other than clichés, there’s little sense of culture or identity to Black Panther or the Wakandans during those early years. And as smart, wealthy, and powerful as T’Challa is, he’s often rendered as a rather bland character in those early appearances, a black poster boy. It was black writers (Christopher Priest and Reginald Hudlin) who provided the character’s most celebrated runs, who found a way to bring meaning and culture to clichés, and established the character a stronger personality that wasn’t always predicated to the comforts of Marvel’s predominantly white readership. With a new series to be released next year by celebrated black writer and journalist Ta-Nehishi Coates, it’s clear that Marvel Comics understands that the character works best under a black creator. So, why can’t some alleged film fans handle that fact?

Nothing wrong with arguing for either side of the issue, but please, let's not misquote the author's point. Especially when its in print.

 

[Dboi]

This is why Black Panther deserves a black director, whether it's Coogler or not: http://www.audienceseverywhere.net/...cism-and-your-mythic-best-person-for-the-job/

I agree with this 100%

 

[E-Man]

Nowhere in his article did he say Hudlin did "The best" work on Black Panther. He said the work of Hudlin and Priest was the most celebrated, which is true. You may not have liked Hudlin's Black Panther run but a LOT of people did, which is why it's the best selling run on Black Panther.

Priest's run never sold very well but it received lots of critical acclaim and it was clearly the most influential work done with the character.

Those who have read McGregor's work on Black Panther seem to like it (though there are complaints about) but the fact is many people simply haven't read it. Even fewer people have read the Kirby run or the mini series by Gillis.

And the Author also never dismissed the white writers who wrote Black Panther. He credited Stan and Jack for being so forward thinking in T'Challa creation but pointed out that many things in that portrayal still clearly came from a white male perspective.

Priest's run sales wise was really consistent though. He built up a firm base of about 20-25K fans that stuck with the book through the early artist changes and editor changes. I think that is why it's such a cult classic. You take a look at people like Daredevil, Wonder Woman, and Nightwing they have a base of about 30-40K loyal fans that really stick around no matter what. Not too many comics really get that, and it's kind of something that was really necessary for the Black Panther character to have at the time. I wonder what would have happened if they stuck with Marvel Knights. The comic sold well under that imprint, but it's hard to tell just how much things would have stayed the same had Joey Q. and Jimmy P. still been promoting it under that banner. Seeing as how Priest's series never had any huge declines I don't think that fan reception was the problem with that series not being as popular.

McGregor in a way was kind of like that too. Black Panther realllllly needed some kind of consistency at the time since he didn't do jack **** in the Avengers. From what I understand Jungle Action was pretty popular early on, but the thing that hurt it was the bi-monthly schedule. I guess it's easier to forget to pick up a comic when you only see it every other month. Despite that it did seem to build up something of a cult status as well with the college kids of the time. It's funny how the two most defining runs on the character gained cult status throughout many years.

I think this will help people get on the T'Challa bandwagon better since those runs aren't too huge that you can't really read them before the movie comes out. It's a weird advantage that T'Challa as a character has over others like Iron Man or Wonder Woman. With those two there are so many years and tons of issues to sort through to get some kind of idea of who they were. With BP it's basically start with McGregor, Priest, or Hudlin...if you feel like tearing your hair out with ****** writing that is. I keed. I keed. Okay not really.

 

[Wylie Times]

From what I've seen and heard most people who are excited about Black Panther's role in the MCU have started with Hudlin's run and the animated mini series. Despite how vocal the detractors are most who've watched the animated series and read the comics it's based on enjoyed it a great deal.

The work by Priest is just now being collected an more fans are now able to pick the series up and give it a try. I don't think the McGregor stuff will ever catch on too big because a lot people aren't going to be down for a version of T'Challa that's a good bit weaker than the modern interpretation. Plus Wakanda isn't as fully realized in that series as it is now.

 

[E-Man]

McGregor's run would probably be enjoyed by a lot of people. The guy's writing is so epic that it captures you. His style is a real page turner. Marvel will probably re-release it, and it will get more attention like it did when they put it in the Masterworks version. For people looking at Killmonger that's pretty much where they have to start anyway, and I am betting/hoping like hell that Killmonger is the next villain after Klaw.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I was about to comment on Nokio's post, but you beat me to it.

For the record, here's what the article actually said.

On Stan and Jack creating T'Challa:

On Priest and Hudlin.

Nothing wrong with arguing for either side of the issue, but please, let's not misquote the author's point. Especially when its in print.

I think the article makes some good points. Personally, I think the original Fantastic Four stories were fine (although there were some undeniable cringe-worthy moments). Jack Kirby's solo stories were just bad, though. And, at times, far more painful.

McGregor in a way was kind of like that too.
*snip*
From what I understand Jungle Action was pretty popular early on, but the thing that hurt it was the bi-monthly schedule. I guess it's easier to forget to pick up a comic when you only see it every other month. Despite that it did seem to build up something of a cult status as well with the college kids of the time. It's funny how the two most defining runs on the character gained cult status throughout many years.

I think the bimonthly schedule was a problem, but McGregor's style compounded it. If we had modern trade paperbacks, it have done really well on that style. Basically, McGregor's stories were fairly complex with a lot of characters, but the reader could easily go six months without seeing a character, which made things difficult.

From what I've seen and heard most people who are excited about Black Panther's role in the MCU have started with Hudlin's run and the animated mini series. Despite how vocal the detractors are most who've watched the animated series and read the comics it's based on enjoyed it a great deal.

For what it's worth, I loved the cartoon (its theme is just kickass). I'm curious to actually read the comic and compare. I liked Black Panther's Civil War tie-ins.

I don't think the McGregor stuff will ever catch on too big because a lot people aren't going to be down for a version of T'Challa that's a good bit weaker than the modern interpretation. Plus Wakanda isn't as fully realized in that series as it is now.

I disagree with Wakanda not being as fully realized. I thought it did a great job of exploring Wakanda and making it feel three-dimensional. To me, that was one of the appeals. As for Black Panther being weaker, I think the modern interpretation has its own downfalls. Priest liked the character that way, but it made him almost Superman. He was a guy who was so prepared and so technologically superior that no one could touch him. Too many issues were just the audience trying to catch up and figure out how he inevitably gets out of it. McGregor's character was vulnerable. He's basically weaker like Daredevil is weaker. It makes him seem human. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing and I doubt purchase numbers will rise or fall based on that.