Justice League San Diego Comic Con Speculation Thread

[jmc]

Then don't have a panel then. Who wants to attend something where the mood is dreadful?

I get that the last movie let a lot of us down, but you need to get a grip. The message to do better has been received quite soundly. Booing and public shaming accomplishes nothing, unless you simply enjoy acting like a petulant child.

Lets be honest, the comic community isn't exactly known for its maturity.

 

[kguillou]

No one is going to wait 48 hours in line, get in a room full of excited fans and celebrities just to tell off the director. And even IF after all that they still have that mentality, they'll change their tune once they are shown awesome promo pics and a teaser.

 

[Tony Gunk]

The message has been received? Funny, last time I checked Snyder took a lot of what people didn't like in MOS and doubled down on it in the next film. He certainly doesn't deserve to have his ass licked which is what normally happens.

I'm not saying flat out insult the guy or call him childish names. Just that I personally wouldn't have a problem telling him that he's taking it all in the wrong direction.

 

[Legendver2]

Well last time we didn't have an entire power shift and restructuring of the film division of the company in response to the critical response.

 

[John Locke]

Snyder may or may not have received the message but everyone in charge of him did.

 

[Da-Scribe]

A director stuck to his vision. *Insert Perry White delivering his "water, wet" headline*

Some of you guys act like filmmaking is the customer service industry. You complain and the chefs will make you a new dish to your liking.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Snyder didn't receive anything. Don't be naive.

 

[Tony Gunk]

A director stuck to his vision. *Insert Perry White delivering his "water, wet" headline*

Some of you guys act like filmmaking is the customer service industry. You complain and the chefs will make you a new dish to your liking.

You realise it's exactly like that?

You make something you believe will satisfy the customers to maximise your profit because money is what it's all about. You don't ignore the fans and continue to do your own warped thing whilst compromising the box office. Well scratch that, if you're Snyder you do that.

After all they're asking for your money, you don't hand your money over if you don't feel the service will be up to standard.

 

[Flint Marko]

Some of you guys act like filmmaking is the customer service industry. You complain and the chefs will make you a new dish to your liking.

If WB wants people interested in their DC films.... they'll do exactly that.

 

[jmc]

If WB want that Avengers money they are so desperate to have they'll do exactly what people want to see. I agree that name calling and throwing insults doesn't help anything, but if there's a platform for fans to say this isn't good enough then I'm fine with that, as long as it's respectful.

 

[Da-Scribe]

If WB wants people interested in their DC films.... they'll do exactly that.

Then that's the day I'll stop watching movies. Because it's the day directors start bending over backwards for fan approval rather than making the movies they want to make. It's the day studios stop investing in talent and start investing in audience opionion. It's the day that filmmaking as any credible art form dies.

There's nothing wrong with directors who legitimately want to make crowd pleaders. But we need to balance that with directors who are willing to swerve. Otherwise this genre will get stale quick.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Then that's the day I'll stop watching movies. Because it's the day directors start bending over backwards for fan approval rather than making the movies they want to make. It's the day studios stop investing in talent and start investing in audience opionion. It's the day that filmmaking as any credible art form dies.

There's nothing wrong with directors who legitimately want to make crowd pleaders. But we need to balance that with directors who are willing to swerve. Otherwise this genre will get stale quick.

Utterly bizarre statement. So we should encourage bad films that the crowds don't like because that somehow stops things from becoming stale?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

if Zack Snyder would just make a movie that most people like, everything around here would be a lot more pleasant. I not only don't mind a director putting his/her creative stamp on their work, I encourage it. But this guy has made so many polarizing creative decisions that I would honestly welcome a little bit of a safe movie.

All of this can be erased if we just get a decent movie. I'm not even asking to be blown away or anything. And you know what? after these 2 movies, I think the audience is entitled to some crowd pleasing. The director may not owe us anything, but some payoff after forking our money over for MOS and BvS would be nice.

Just make a good movie. I don't know if he has it in him, but my love for these characters is far too strong for me to not care.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

and to all the people who aren't bothered by the response to the previous movies and actually enjoy them, more power to you.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Utterly bizarre statement. So we should encourage bad films that the crowds don't like because that somehow stops things from becoming stale?

Not what I said. We just shouldn't try to influence the filmmaking process to bend to our personal whims.

That's like asking a musician to stick to his greatest hits. Sure, the next album might not be great, but at least the musician tried their hand at something new.

Art is meant to elicit a reaction. Good or bad, I should feel something. If an artist starts tailoring all of his work to pander toward where he thinks my inclinations lean then he's no longer aiming to elicit any real reaction. There's no honesty in that. It's just manufactured as hell.

I'd rather a director try something new and disappoint me than to just give me what he already knows will work. That's wholly uninteresting to me.

 

[Flint Marko]

Then that's the day I'll stop watching movies. Because it's the day directors start bending over backwards for fan approval rather than making the movies they want to make. It's the day studios stop investing in talent and start investing in audience opionion. It's the day that filmmaking as any credible art form dies.

There's nothing wrong with directors who legitimately want to make crowd pleaders. But we need to balance that with directors who are willing to swerve. Otherwise this genre will get stale quick.

Come on dude. This isn't some small, personal film made by an auteur, it's a huge media franchise that they desparately want, no, need to be huge money-making crowd pleasers. WB course-correcting isn't the "art form dying", it's the only sensible move from a business (and artistic, most would agree) perspective.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I'd rather a director try something new and disappoint me than to just give me what he already knows will work. That's wholly uninteresting to me.

But are we even sure that Snyder has the ability to direct something that he already knows will work?

Because we've already gotten 2 movies where he tried something new and I've been disappointed both times, and each time more than the other.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Come on dude. This isn't some small, personal film made by an auteur, it's a huge media franchise that they desparately want, no, need to be huge money-making crowd pleasers. WB course-correcting isn't the "art form dying", it's the only sensible move from a business (and artistic, most would agree) perspective.

Every movie needs to make money. So? That doesn't mean they shouldn't still aim to be, at the very least, honest representations of the directors visions. If it doesn't work, then find ways to make that vision work. They don't need some massive overhaul on Snyder's work to accomplish that. They can appeal to audiences without having to kiss up to them.

 

[Da-Scribe]

But are we even sure that Snyder has the ability to direct something that he already knows will work?

Because we've already gotten 2 movies where he tried something new and I've been disappointed both times, and each time more than the other.

I'd say Dawn of the Dead and 300 were pretty standard crowd pleasers. I'm sure he's capable of a by-the-numbers blockbuster. I'm fine if he does that, honestly. I just want it to be the actual thing he was trying to do.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Not what I said. We just shouldn't try to influence the filmmaking process to bend to our personal whims.

That's like asking a musician to stick to his greatest hits. Sure, the next album might not be great, but at least the musician tried their hand at something new.

Art is meant to elicit a reaction. Good or bad, I should feel something. If an artist starts tailoring all of his work to pander toward where he thinks my inclinations lean then he's no longer aiming to elicit any real reaction. There's no honesty in that. It's just manufactured as hell.

I'd rather a director try something new and disappoint me than to just give me what he already knows will work. That's wholly uninteresting to me.

Rubbish analogy. Musicians write their own music so they can do what they like.

Snyder is supposed to be making films from existing material that the fans adore. So a better analogy would be it's like going to see a Led Zeppelin tribute band to be disappointed that they don't actually sound anything like Led Zeppelin because they re-arranged the music and changed the lyrics

If Snyder had given in to most of our personal whims his reputation would be a lot less damaged right now.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Rubbish analogy. Musicians write their own music so they can do what they like.

Snyder is supposed to be making films from existing material that the fans adore. So a better analogy would be it's like going to see a Led Zeppelin tribute band to be disappointed that they don't actually sound anything like Led Zeppelin because they re-arranged the music and changed the lyrics

If Snyder had given in to most of our personal whims his reputation would be a lot less damaged right now.

Because no one has ever had a famous cover of an already popular song in ever. I'll keep that in mind while listening to Johnny Cash's rendition of Hurt that totally changes the meaning of the NIN version.

And the film is Snyder's. The characters are his and WB's and they can do as they please. The fans have no actual claims to how these properties are adapted. And there are no rules for adaptations.

 

[John Locke]

It's like tv. Shows like Doctor Who and Rick and Morty only appeal to niche audiences and they can make a profit. Snyder's movies only appeal to a niche audience as well. If WB is satisfied with making a smaller profit from the niche audience then they don't need to change. As someone who is a part of that niche audience I'm all for going to course but given that these films are going to be the backbone of the studio's future I think they will want to appeal to all audiences.

 

[jmc]

Every movie needs to make money. So? That doesn't mean they shouldn't still aim to be, at the very least, honest representations of the directors visions. If it doesn't work, then find ways to make that vision work. They don't need some massive overhaul on Snyder's work to accomplish that. They can appeal to audiences without having to kiss up to them.

Like it or not this concept requires some level of overarching control, otherwise you may as well just keep the characters separate.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Because no one has ever had a famous cover of an already popular song in ever. I'll keep that in mind while listening to Johnny Cash's rendition of Hurt that totally changes the meaning of the NIN version.

And the film is Snyder's. The characters are his and WB's and they can do as they please. The fans have no actual claims to how these properties are adapted. And there are no rules for adaptations.

Yeah but Johnny Cash is a pioneering musician and a master in his field. Zack Snyder is not. In addition to that NIN weren't exactly huge and the song wasn't exactly a classic when it was covered. Superman and Batman are very much classics

So twist and turn all you want, it was a rubbish analogy for a nonsense statement. They want the money then they'll need to get their flop director to start doing what the fans want instead of what he personally likes in his own little twisted world of angry dark Supermen and raped Batmen

 

[Da-Scribe]

Yeah but Johnny Cash is a pioneering musician and a master in his field. Zack Snyder is not. In addition to that NIN weren't exactly huge and the song wasn't exactly a classic when it was covered. Superman and Batman are very much classics

So twist and turn all you want, it was a rubbish analogy for a nonsense statement. They want the money then they'll need to get their flop director to start doing what the fans want instead of what he personally likes in his own little twisted world of angry dark Supermen and raped Batmen

As if any of that matters. The point is you can take something and do your own thing with it. So there's no need to twist and turn. I've just got no interest in seeing filmmaking succumb to fanism.