Say hello to our next president...

[Gamma Ray]

It's all but guaranteed at this point. The US will never elect a female or black candidate. That's the [perhaps] unfortunate truth about this country. Anyway, I really want to make this thread so that I can bump it and say "I told you so" by the end of the year.

 

[bell110]

I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[Superman]

McCain is to much like Bush and the people are tired of that crap. He wants the war in Iraq to go on and on, Hell, He even said there would be other wars. Plus he himself said he' knows very little about the economy. That's just two of the many things that will kill him in the elections. The people don't want Bush Jr and that's what they will get if McCain wins.

Besides, I think McCain still wants to fight the Vietnam war and he thinks that if we can "Win" in Iraq it will make up for losing Vietnam.

 

[Matt]

I'd honestly question McCain's sanity. Either he went insane during his 5 and a half years in a prison camp...or he didn't, in which case I would question his sanity as what kind of man does NOT go insane after 5 and a half years of torture?

 

[The Senator]

No thank you.

 

[Malice]

I am concerned that he is 71 years old.
they say you age 3 years for every year in the white house...so he would be effectively 83 years old after four years...

Age is a big issue for me now....

 

[Damiean Dark]

Mccain is very old already havve you seen him walking from behind? he practiculy crawls he is a very elderly man.

beside the fact Mccain is a war hero(?) he has nothing over Clinton in a wide rangeing debate she would murder him imo.

 

[kronos251]

I'd honestly question McCain's sanity. Either he went insane during his 5 and a half years in a prison camp...or he didn't, in which case I would question his sanity as what kind of man does NOT go insane after 5 and a half years of torture?

Just a look on McCain's early life/military career:

Credits: US News & World Report, The Arizona Republic, The Economist, Wikipedia, et al

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, the son and grandson of prominent U.S. Navy admirals (John S. McCain, Sr. and John S. McCain, Jr.). He attended Episcopal High School and graduated in 1954. McCain then followed in his fathers' footsteps to the United States Naval Academy, graduating in 1958.

A naval aviator, John McCain was stationed aboard the great USS Forrestal where, on July 29, 1967, he escaped death when a missile accidentally launched across the ship, striking John McCain's A-4 Skyhawk. The impact ruptured the fuel tank on McCain's aircraft, the leaking fuel of which ignited, and knocked a bomb into the fire. John McCain escaped from his jet by climbing out of the cockpit, walking down to the nose of the plane, and jumping off the nose boom. A minute and a half after the impact, the bomb exploded underneath McCain's plane, starting a major fire which killed 134 sailors and nearly threatened to destroy the ship.

Video tape shot aboard the Forrestal shows McCain narrowly escaping the explosion.

Later in 1967, he was shot down over Vietnam, and was held as a prisoner of war in Hanoi for five-and-a-half years. When his captors discovered he was the son and grandson of admirals, he was offered a chance to go home, but he refused to break the military code that POWs are released in the order that they are captured.

He was finally released from captivity in 1973, having survived the injuries he received when he was shot down, the beatings from an angry crowd and his captors, a year of torture, and two years of solitary confinement. Once released, his POW injuries prevented him from receiving a sea command, so in 1977, he became a Navy's liaison to the Senate. He was discharged from the Navy in 1981 as a Captain, on the day he watched his father buried next to his grandfather, in Arlington National Cemetery. During his military career he received a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, the Legion of Merit, the Purple Heart, and a Distinguished Flying Cross. Deciding years later to not live with hatred in his heart, he forgave his captors for his treatment.

I don't think McCain has ever been diagnosed as insane.... or having post-traumatic stress syndrome..

There were a lot of displays of impatience and temper, yes, but who wouldn't be angry with the slow-moving mud-slinging politics of Capitol Hill? Especially being in the Senate for more than 20 years. After risking your life for your country, you would want to consider lesser pencil pushing to deal with, and more results to be delivered.

I'm kinda glad he's one candidate who can actually cross the aisle and get things done.

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Gamma Ray, I might agree with you on this one.


Except for this :

... The US will never elect a female or black candidate..

It Greatly depends on the experience and sincerity of the candidate. If Condy Rice or Colin Powell, or any other qualified, trustworthy statesperson, they'd have a good chance of winning. But perhaps one gradual step at a time... a VP role is a good way to start off.

 

[Malice]

Mccain is very old already havve you seen him walking from behind? he practiculy crawls he is a very elderly man.

beside the fact Mccain is a war hero(?) he has nothing over Clinton in a wide rangeing debate she would murder him imo.

I dont believe she would "murder him"
Is is very opinionated and strong.

I think he could stand on his own with any of them, something I recently noticed, he wont bother commenting or giving a comment on issues that are asked him that are astinine...he kinda gives a holier than thou attitude with those questions.

 

[Matt]

Just a look on McCain's early life/military career:



I don't think McCain has ever been diagnosed as insane.... or having post-traumatic stress syndrome..

There were a lot of displays of impatience and temper, yes, but who wouldn't be angry with the slow-moving mud-slinging politics of Capitol Hill? Especially being in the Senate for more than 20 years. After risking your life for your country, you would want to consider lesser pencil pushing to deal with, and more results to be delivered.

The fact that he has never shown any signs of post-traumatic stress syndrome or any after-effect from the torture is telling as to what his mental health is, in my eyes. What kind of person doesn't go crazy from 5 and 1/2 years of torture? Answer: Someone who is already ****ing nuts. t:

I'm kinda glad he's one candidate who can actually cross the aisle and get things done.

I used to think that, but I'm not sure if I buy it anymore. McCain sold his soul to the GOP after his loss in 2000. He's gone from being a Maverick to being a party lap dog. The few times since then he has crossed the aisle (the campaign finance finance bill, taking the nuclear option off the table), etc have been greatly to the benefit of his party and himself. McCain has never been a huge fundraiser, so the finance reform bills help his campaigns. As for the nuclear option...he had foresight. He knew his party couldn't keep control forever and there would be a time when they need to filibuster. Its not a great uniting move that his PR staff would have you believe. On all the crucial issues (war, economoy, etc)...he has been in line behind the GOP on every stance. He has been kissing ass and pandering like no other for the past 8 years. He went from being a maverick who could think for himself and do what is right, to a party tool. Now-a-days his PR staff just uses the small, inconsequential bills like campaign finance reform and removing the nuclear option to create the illusion of bi-partisanship.

 

[Matt]

I dont believe she would "murder him"
Is is very opinionated and strong.

I think he could stand on his own with any of them, something I recently noticed, he wont bother commenting or giving a comment on issues that are asked him that are astinine...he kinda gives a holier than thou attitude with those questions.

I've noticed that too, and I don't like it either. It screams the current Bush administrations policies of secrecy and deciet.

 

[Matt]

I am concerned that he is 71 years old.
they say you age 3 years for every year in the white house...so he would be effectively 83 years old after four years...

Age is a big issue for me now....

I too am concerned by his age. McCain isn't getting any younger and he doesn't seem that healthy to boot. Chances are he will pick a ridiculously right wing running mate. Someone like a southern version of Rick Santorum. Because whether or not he is actually "moderate" (he's not), the public believes he is...and he is going to need a running mate who appeals to the neo-con, religious base of the party to ensure they don't lose crucial votes to a third party. So if McCain dies while in office...I would hate to think that we would get stuck with a President like Rick Santorum on a technicality.

 

[Movies205]

Edit: I don't feel this is up to my usual quality posting so when I'm not tired, I'll come back... Till then it's better than Hilary or Obama

 

[kronos251]

^ Ditto, and pithy too

The fact that he has never shown any signs of post-traumatic stress syndrome or any after-effect from the torture is telling as to what his mental health is, in my eyes. What kind of person doesn't go crazy from 5 and 1/2 years of torture? Answer: Someone who is already ****ing nuts. t:

Hah!! Just goes to show how many screwballs are flying in Washington...

But he did go off abit the deep end though (ie. when his first marriage failed - one of the symptoms that war has taken a toll on the mind, in terms of personal relationships). But of course, different POWs exhibit different behavior and how they handle their problems differently.

In my eyes, McCain still has his head, still has that dogged determination, and despite the ocassional temper tantrum over the past decades, he has mellowed quite considerably. Out of all the candidates running, I'd rather pick a hothead McCain on account that he makes the most sense.

I used to think that, but I'm not sure if I buy it anymore. McCain sold his soul to the GOP after his loss in 2000. He's gone from being a Maverick to being a party lap dog. The few times since then he has crossed the aisle (the campaign finance finance bill, taking the nuclear option off the table), etc have been greatly to the benefit of his party and himself. McCain has never been a huge fundraiser, so the finance reform bills help his campaigns. As for the nuclear option...he had foresight. He knew his party couldn't keep control forever and there would be a time when they need to filibuster. Its not a great uniting move that his PR staff would have you believe. On all the crucial issues (war, economoy, etc)...he has been in line behind the GOP on every stance. He has been kissing ass and pandering like no other for the past 8 years. He went from being a maverick who could think for himself and do what is right, to a party tool. Now-a-days his PR staff just uses the small, inconsequential bills like campaign finance reform and removing the nuclear option to create the illusion of bi-partisanship.

hehe.. you obviously don't like the Republicans I don't blame you... though, I am one. I personally would like some of them to disappear off the face of the earth...... or retire in Manila. Say, Sen. Dick Lugar (IN), among others, he's been a veritable pain in the ass since World War II.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

another republican government? After all what happened? Voters have to be very stupid to do that.

 

[Matt]

^ Ditto, and pithy too







Hah!! Just goes to show how many screwballs are flying in Washington...

But he did go off abit the deep end though (ie. when his first marriage failed - one of the symptoms that war has taken a toll on the mind, in terms of personal relationships). But of course, different POWs exhibit different behavior and how they handle their problems differently.

In my eyes, McCain still has his head, still has that dogged determination, and despite the ocassional temper tantrum over the past decades, he has mellowed quite considerably. Out of all the candidates running, I'd rather pick a hothead McCain on account that he makes the most sense.

McCain used to make sense to me...now...his ticket seems to be very similiar to Bush's

hehe.. you obviously don't like the Republicans I don't blame you... though, I am one. I personally would like some of them to disappear off the face of the earth...... or retire in Manila. Say, Sen. Dick Lugar (IN), among others, he's been a veritable pain in the ass since World War II.

Its really not an anti-Republican thing. I would vote Romney over Obama or Clinton. It just baffles me how McCain can stay loyal to the party who dicked him so badly in 2000. It shows no backbone in my opinion at all. It shows me a weak, desperate man who is willing to pander to a bunch of ********s who commited libel and slander against him in 2000.

 

[Malice]

another republican government? After all what happened? Voters have to be very stupid to do that.

You have not learned have you. Both Rep and Dem are equally ******ed.

 

[Matt]

another republican government? After all what happened? Voters have to be very stupid to do that.

Says the 21 year old who is obsessed with a 17 year old girl

But seriously, that is a very closed minded attitude. There are Democrats who are just as bad (if not worse) than the Bush administration. Just because the Bush Administration sucked, doesn't mean all Republicans do.

 

[Malice]

Says the 21 year old who is obsessed with a 17 year old girl

But seriously, that is a very closed minded attitude. There are Democrats who are just as bad (if not worse) than the Bush administration. Just because the Bush Administration sucked, doesn't mean all Republicans do.

Woof Woof!

 

[rdh007]

Says the 21 year old who is obsessed with a 17 year old girl

But seriously, that is a very closed minded attitude. There are Democrats who are just as bad (if not worse) than the Bush administration. Just because the Bush Administration sucked, doesn't mean all Republicans do.

I only consider myself a Democrat because they suck less.

 

[bell110]

The fact that he has never shown any signs of post-traumatic stress syndrome or any after-effect from the torture is telling as to what his mental health is, in my eyes. What kind of person doesn't go crazy from 5 and 1/2 years of torture? Answer: Someone who is already ****ing nuts. t:

Didn't you say you'd like to see a candidate flip-out? Maybe we'd get to see that.

I don't think he's insane. He's had years to heal mentally.

I used to think that, but I'm not sure if I buy it anymore. McCain sold his soul to the GOP after his loss in 2000. He's gone from being a Maverick to being a party lap dog. The few times since then he has crossed the aisle (the campaign finance finance bill, taking the nuclear option off the table), etc have been greatly to the benefit of his party and himself. McCain has never been a huge fundraiser, so the finance reform bills help his campaigns. As for the nuclear option...he had foresight. He knew his party couldn't keep control forever and there would be a time when they need to filibuster. Its not a great uniting move that his PR staff would have you believe. On all the crucial issues (war, economoy, etc)...he has been in line behind the GOP on every stance. He has been kissing ass and pandering like no other for the past 8 years. He went from being a maverick who could think for himself and do what is right, to a party tool. Now-a-days his PR staff just uses the small, inconsequential bills like campaign finance reform and removing the nuclear option to create the illusion of bi-partisanship.

I noticed that to, but deep down I believe (and hope) that he's just playing their game. People don't change that quickly. I think if he gets the nomination, he'd revert back to 2000 McCain.

They only thing I don't really like about McCain is his stance on war, but given his background, I think he'd have more empathy for the troops, unlike Bush who uses the troops like pawns in his twisted little game.

I dont believe she would "murder him"
Is is very opinionated and strong.

I think he could stand on his own with any of them, something I recently noticed, he wont bother commenting or giving a comment on issues that are asked him that are astinine...he kinda gives a holier than thou attitude with those questions.

I haven't noticed this. Could you elaborate?

 

[kronos251]

McCain used to make sense to me...now...his ticket seems to be very similiar to Bush's



Its really not an anti-Republican thing. I would vote Romney over Obama or Clinton. It just baffles me how McCain can stay loyal to the party who dicked him so badly in 2000. It shows no backbone in my opinion at all. It shows me a weak, desperate man who is willing to pander to a bunch of ********s who commited libel and slander against him in 2000.

Sometimes, I feel that there's something lacking about Romney.. . Like there's a sort of disconnect somewhere in his campaign. However I cannot remove the fact that his speech regarding his religion was very inspiring, and very moving, and I truly laud him for that. Its just that, afterwards, he's been so combative lately, and I simply don't want to see or hear anybody attacking anybody - maybe he needs to change his strategy, perhaps focus on how he would solve the subprime housing crisis, immigration problems, oil, Iran.. I'd like to hear more of how he would confront those issues, because I really do think he can. Then, and only then, I just might consider voting for the guy.

About McCain, man oh man, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Matt]

I only consider myself a Democrat because they suck less.

*begins ranting*

The only reason I haven't changed my registration to independent is because of the history of the Democratic Party. I am still a Democrat in the sense that Franklin Roosevelt was. I am in the party of Roosevelt, of Johnson, of Truman, of Wilson. The list can go on. The Democratic Party has such an amazing history. No other American party can say the same. The Republican Party has had 3 great Presidents (Eisenhower, Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt. People will argue for Reagan...but he's not. His policies were so shortsighted its not even funny and has done a lot of damage in the long run. People will say he won the Cold War, but that is a load. The Soviets destroyed themselves. They were on their way to being bankrupt. Reagan just happened to be president at the time). I wish the Democrat party would find its way back to the great party it was under FDR. FDR fought for the middle class. Now-a-days, the Democratic Party does not care if every middle class job is outsourced, so long as a 13 year old girl can get an abortion without her parent's knowledge. The party has lost its way under the leadership of the babyboomers and that is sad.

*ends ranting*

 

[Malice]

I haven't noticed this. Could you elaborate?

Honestly I cant give specific instances...
In one of the latest debates, when he was sitting on the far left...
The candidates were debating and he would give like a 5 word reply...
Then he is shaking his head, in the fashion that I interpret as "you guys are both dumb..."

just some of his replies were voiced in the fashion of
"I dont need to reply, its not worth my time"

Part of it is just feeling...so sorry, I cant really pinpoint it.

This is one of the reasons that I have decided not to vote for him

 

[kronos251]

another republican government? After all what happened? Voters have to be very stupid to do that.