Scientists Discover Fish in Act of Evolution!

[The Lizard]

Show me a fish that is in the process of turning into a completely new species.

 

[C.F. Kane]

eh...I'm not impressed. This is simple adaptation. I believe there is a difference in adaptation and evolution (sure, some might argue i'm splitting hairs).

A fish, due to pollution can't see its prey very well, so it adapts to the poor vision the water provides.

In the same vein, its getting cold outside, so my body is beginning to store more fat from the foods i eat for better insulation. Thats not evolution, thats just adaptation.

Show me a fish that is in the process of turning into a completely new species.

We're just extrapolating from that. If these fish had offspring, and their offspring could see better in polluted waters than their parents, and that trend kept going for generations, then we would have a new species of fish that can see in murky polluted waters.

It's just like how some species of bacteria can evolve over time to be more drug-resistant.

 

[Cosmic]

The title of this thread makes me think of a scientist opening the door on a poor fish in the bathroom.... "Hey, close the door! Can't a guy evolve in private around here?!"

LOL. Maybe the scientists who made these findings have a voyeur fetish!

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

In the same vein, its getting cold outside, so my body is beginning to store more fat from the foods i eat for better insulation. Thats not evolution, thats just adaptation.

That's not adaption, that's too many fritos

 

[Bubonic]

eh...I'm not impressed. This is simple adaptation. I believe there is a difference in adaptation and evolution (sure, some might argue i'm splitting hairs).

A fish, due to pollution can't see its prey very well, so it adapts to the poor vision the water provides.

In the same vein, its getting cold outside, so my body is beginning to store more fat from the foods i eat for better insulation. Thats not evolution, thats just adaptation.

Show me a fish that is in the process of turning into a completely new species.

This is the common misconception people have, that in order for it to be evolution something has to go from point a to point b in one generation.

Evolution is about adaptation, usually slow incremental ones. The fish won't suddenly adapt into a land creature due to "wanting" to get out of the polluted waters.

One particular trait has emerged that has increased the collective chances of the species to carry on into the next generation, and slowly other beneficial mutations might be picked up if they further help towards that end.

If you don't think a mere adaptation which increases the chances of survival of the species isn't evolution, then you don't know the first thing about evolution.

And that isn't condescension, it isn't me imposing my views on others or trying to belittle others. Yet I certainly don't believe that creationism has a leg to stand on except the blanket of faith.

 

[Bubonic]

People lost interest in this thread?

 

[Matt]

I don't get why everyone thinks creationism and evolution theory have to be seperate.

 

[Bubonic]

Not everyone does.
But they seem incompatible, unless you hold your breath because science hasn't yet figured out what set everything in motion, even though there are some very satisfying theories.
Moreso then that of a magical entity twirling his finger in the cosmos and making things be.

 

[Matt]

Not everyone does.
But they seem incompatible, unless you hold your breath because science hasn't yet figured out what set everything in motion, even though there are some very satisfying theories.
Moreso then that of a magical entity twirling his finger in the cosmos and making things be.

No matter how far back you trace things though...there is always going to be the question "Well where did that come from."

I believe the big bang, evolution, everything were all the result of God. But, to each their own.

 

[Bubonic]

That's absolutely your right.
It just seems that as soon as science conclusively discovers the truth behind something then creationist go back one step and say that was the act of God.

Anyways I don't have the mental prowness to tackle this really, not studied up enough in it.

Need to sleep as well!

 

[Mike_D202]

Yea I dunno, everything is just too perfect to be just a coincidence.

 

[CaptainClown]

Yea I dunno, everything is just too perfect to be just a coincidence.

There is a study where meta physicists did a calculation that it is almost impossible that everything happened by accident.

 

[Danalys]

the opening article annoys me. when they mention that geological seperation is a precussor to evolution it is with the implication that it is the only one. thus trying to make scientists look ignorant. now this is either ignorance or subtle manipulation of uninformed readership to doubt the findings.

 

[Arc-Light]

Yea I dunno, everything is just too perfect to be just a coincidence.

hmmm where do you see perfection...

 

[CaptainClown]

hmmm where do you see perfection...

as much as life feels like it sucks the world worked in an almost perfect balance creating very complicated organisms and a multitude of different types of life.

 

[Danalys]

There is a study where meta physicists did a calculation that it is almost impossible that everything happened by accident.

by probabilty it is nearly impossible that any long chain of outcomes happens. the probability of any other long chains of outcomes are just as low tho. and in that case one improbility out of the many improbilities has to happen.

 

[CaptainClown]

by probabilty it is nearly impossible that any long chain of outcomes happens. the probability of any other long chains of outcomes are just as low tho. and in that case one improbility out of the many improbilities has to happen.

well not saying that one is wrong or the other, just the instances where there is a greater being having influence over everything is far more vast then instances that everything was created without any influence.

 

[The Battousai]

I'm amazed by the amount of people who don't understand the basic fundamentals of evolution

 

[CaptainClown]

I'm amazed by the amount of people who don't understand the basic fundamentals of evolution

I see you looked at the "what do you believe in" thread

 

[Danalys]

well not saying that one is wrong or the other, just the instances where there is a greater being having influence over everything is far more vast then instances that everything was created without any influence.

you can't apply any probability to a greater being doing anything. that's just part of the nature of probabilities.

 

[CaptainClown]

you can't apply any probability to a greater being doing anything. that's just part of the nature of probabilities.

Why can't you?

 

[Arc-Light]

well not saying that one is wrong or the other, just the instances where there is a greater being having influence over everything is far more vast then instances that everything was created without any influence.

Ture..but we are all forgetting are the countless failures...and the millions of years for what we have now..yes there have been some mutations..but there have been so much sacrifices just for us animals to be where we are at now. It all came at a price.......i don't see perfection, i see a adaptation for survival.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ture..but we are all forgetting are the countless failures...and the millions of years for what we have now..yes there have been some mutations..but there have been so much sacrifices just for us animals to be where we are at now. It all came at a price.......i don't see perfection, i see a adaptation for survival.

But that adaptation adds to our perfection. It is with that adaptation where an organism can grow and gain immunities to all sorts of things. Like how a fish could gain an immunity to the sting of coral and use the coral as a self defense against a predator. While there were many sacrifices made, the ability to adapt seems for me seems to show that life is just about perfect....very damn slow though.

 

[The Battousai]

I see you looked at the "what do you believe in" thread

Good eye






(See what I did there? )

 

[Danalys]

Why can't you?

to work out the probability of something happening you need known quantities. you need to know the possible outcomes. all of them. since there is no limit to a god there is an infinite amount of possible outcomes making the probability of it doing any specific thing infinitely small. therefor you can not say whether one action is more probable than another. making probabilities pointless in that case.

or in other words you can't be specific about metaphysics. so you have nothing specific to calculate the probability with.