Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzmann Have Ended Their Relationship

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[gwynplaine]

Did they "consciously uncouple?"

 

[Schlosser85]

I tweeted Orci after his school shooting conspiracy theorizing and told him to try to keep his excitement in check next time a tragedy happens.

 

[DA_Champion]

Star Trek into Darkness is one of the worst blockbusters of the past few years, and nearly all of its problems were script problems. Some of you are too forgiving.

 

[redhawk23]

I don't think they're close to being terrible. Look at their style of writing when it's not a Transformers film. They're not the greatest of course but the stupid and low brow humor Michael Bay humor is just that. I guarantee he has them write in a lot of that garbage. Looking at ASM and Star Trek you would think it was completely different writers.

I also don't see what them being conspiracy theorists has to do with any of this...or that it somehow makes them terrible people.

Also the hate towards ASM and Star Trek 2 is for ridiculous reasons at times. Those movies weren't perfect but once again, take away Bay with his juvenile humor in the TF movies, these guys aren't nearly as bad as some make them out to be.

They have pretty much no grasp of the characters they frequently take on and their plots are empty puzzle boxes.

 

[Schlosser85]

Star Trek into Darkness is one of the worst blockbusters of the past few years, and nearly all of its problems were script problems. Some of you are too forgiving.

Transformers and Fast and Furious are far more vapid.

 

[DA_Champion]

Transformers and Fast and Furious are far more vapid.

Disagree, except maybe for the second Transformers.

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The most iconic moment from STID is Alice Eve stripping into lingerie -- that's really embarrassing.

 

[TheVileOne]

DA Champion, I may have misread your post, but how did they end the relationship?

I mean what does that mean? They are executive producers for Sleepy Hollow. Don't they still have to work with each other on that.

How have they ended their relationship?

I think its clear they will still work together in the future.

 

[DA_Champion]

The title of the thread is a play on words, you'll get the joke if you've ever had a Facebook profile.

If you read the article linked to in the opening post, you'll understand what the movie, they will no longer be scripting movies together. This is a big deal from the perspective of blockbuster science fiction.

 

[TheVileOne]

The article doesn't really say they are no longer scripting movies together ever again as far as I can tell. So it looks like a bad thread title.

Plus they are still working with each other on all their TV shows they collaborated on. And some of these are big, popular shows.

 

[Man in the Suit]

They don't do anything on their TV shows. Create it pass it off is their thing.

But they've "amicably split" (I always read that as Hollywood code for fallout) according to Variety. Orci's focusing on Star Trek while Kurtzman is in the Spidey universe.

 

[TheVileOne]

Doesn't mean they will never work together ever again.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Well, I couldn't stand STID. So it will be interesting to see what happens with number 3 if Orci has more of a free reign.

I think he knows his Trek pretty well...

Funnily enough I really, really enjoyed TASM2.

 

[dark_b]

Star Trek into Darkness is one of the worst blockbusters of the past few years, and nearly all of its problems were script problems. Some of you are too forgiving.

its scary how when you found out that he is a 9/11 Truther that everything in STD(joke) makes sense.

 

[747]

Even though I enjoy some of their work, they have been involved in way more stuff that I don't like at all. So overall I'm not a fan I guess. And the things of them I enjoy is more because of execution and approach than pure writing.

As always they are also dependent of what director they are working with/for.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I have liked a lot of the movies they have written, the 1st Transformers was and still is great in my eyes, and both of the new Trek's I have really liked, despite not liking the old ones at all.

Sleepy Hollow has been great so far and TASM 2 had many of the same problems as TASM for me so I think Webb may be at fault for both of those movies being disjointed because Orci and Kurtzman were only involved in the sequel.

 

[dark_b]

i think ST and TF1 was good because o the directors and producers. without SPielberg i think TF could been a big mess.

 

[Spider-Fan]

STID wasn't a bad film. I totally disagree on that. The biggest issue was the movie decided to rehash Wrath of Khan as opposed to doing anything original, and it hurt the ending of the film badly. But before the last 15 minutes, enjoyed the film.

 

[Hush]

Oh soon they'll be working together again, they'll realize they can't make money alone. I have enjoy about 90% of their work and this a little odd to see them split up but I think it's only a matter of time before they get back together. STID was just so good in my opinion even if it shared some stuff with Wrath that I'll see anything really with these guys attached.

 

[dude stannis]

My reaction.

 

[redhawk23]

Doesn't mean they will never work together ever again.

It is still notable as their professional careers have been defined by their collaboration, so them seeking major projects apart is newsworthy.

 

[redhawk23]

STID wasn't a bad film. I totally disagree on that. The biggest issue was the movie decided to rehash Wrath of Khan as opposed to doing anything original, and it hurt the ending of the film badly. But before the last 15 minutes, enjoyed the film.

Self parody, rehashing and nonsensical plotting and characterization doesn't add up to a bad film?

It was slick, and actors continued to be well cast, but it was all such a waste.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Self parody, rehashing and nonsensical plotting and characterization doesn't add up to a bad film?

Most of that came late in the movie. Prior to that, when they were looking for John Harrison, the Enterprise was sabotaged, Peter Weller's awesomeness, etc. The movie was fine. As soon as it became Wrath of Khan and a lame chase, then it went downhill. I agree there. But, I don't agree with your assessment when talking about everything prior to that.

 

[DA_Champion]

Most of that came late in the movie. Prior to that, when they were looking for John Harrison, the Enterprise was sabotaged, Peter Weller's awesomeness, etc. The movie was fine. As soon as it became Wrath of Khan and a lame chase, then it went downhill. I agree there. But, I don't agree with your assessment when talking about everything prior to that.

There were plenty of bad moments prior to the final moments.

- Enterprise underwater for no reason;
- nonsensical destruction of ancient culture;
- nonsensical development of Khan being woken up after 300 years of being frozen and in a single year catching up on 300 years of developments in physics and engineering and conceptualising, designing, and building better starships with faster warp engines, phaser fights during warp, transporting behind shields, less staff required ... one year of engineering from Khan means that the Federation could now defeat the Borg -- easily.
- Beaming across the entire Galaxy means that starships are obsolete;
- Uhura only present for relationship angst;
- Going from Klingon home world to Earth in five minutes is a continuity error;
- Starfleet is militarizing, yet there are no defences in Earth orbit, the Enterprise fights the Killerprise and nothing intervenes;
- Alice Eve stripping for no reason;
- Alice Eve disarming that missile by pulling out a random part;
- Scotty abandoning Kirk as consequences for Kirk militarising things, and then coming back to Kirk the second that the plot demands it;
- Khan killing Admiral Marcus is anti-climatic.

etc.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There were plenty of bad moments prior to the final moments.

- Enterprise underwater for no reason;
- nonsensical destruction of ancient culture;
- nonsensical development of Khan being woken up after 300 years of being frozen and in a single year catching up on 300 years of developments in physics and engineering and conceptualising, designing, and building better starships with faster warp engines, phaser fights during warp, transporting behind shields, less staff required ... one year of engineering from Khan means that the Federation could now defeat the Borg -- easily.
- Beaming across the entire Galaxy means that starships are obsolete;
- Uhura only present for relationship angst;
- Going from Klingon home world to Earth in five minutes is a continuity error;
- Starfleet is militarizing, yet there are no defences in Earth orbit, the Enterprise fights the Killerprise and nothing intervenes;
- Alice Eve stripping for no reason;
- Alice Eve disarming that missile by pulling out a random part;
- Scotty abandoning Kirk as consequences for Kirk militarising things, and then coming back to Kirk the second that the plot demands it;
- Khan killing Admiral Marcus is anti-climatic.

etc.

Honestly, none of that bothered me. It's an action movie at the end of the day, and the plot was entertaining enough prior to them rehashing a much better movie.