Daredevil Season 1, Episode 12 "The Ones We Leave Behind" (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[flickchick85]

I'm pretty sure Stick's 'War' was/is Hand vs Chaste. And so he was talking to the leader of Chaste. At least that's my guess at this point.

Ah, yeah that would make sense, too.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Ah, yeah that would make sense, too.

Right now I would hazard a guess that that is season 2. There was a decent amount of set up for it.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Yup. The symbol on her heroin is the symbol of the Steel Serpent. Iron Fist's arch-nemesis.

Ah, I KNEW that was an IF related symbol! No way they would've used something that similar by accident.

What makes you so sure ?

Also season 2 isn't confirmed yet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Season 2 will probably be confirmed on Monday.

Did Ben Urich die at some point in the comics lol?

Nope, which is part of why I'm so shocked about this.

 

[Nathan]

Just finished this Episode.

 

[PacificBoy]

Even with all the gory and brutal deaths before, this death was the most shocking. The lighter stuff that was fun was Matt's rooftop parkour running and Madam Gao packing a punch.

 

[Lencho01]

Man, this is starting to feel like Spartacus. Just getting rid of people left and right.

 

[Mike Murdock]

There were a lot of good moments in this, pieces that fit together, moments of sadness of things hitting rock bottom. But really it's the end that anyone will remember. I figured there wasn't going to be any wiggling out of it, but it was still shocking. Considering earlier about the people who intentionally blinded themselves to work in a heroin factory, the episode was a downer all around. But damn was it a great episode.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Yup. The symbol on her heroin is the symbol of the Steel Serpent. Iron Fist's arch-nemesis.

I need to brush up on my Iron Fist.

 

[Picard Stewart]

I'm pretty sure Stick's 'War' was/is Hand vs Chaste. And so he was talking to the leader of Chaste. At least that's my guess at this point.

He was talking to Stone, his second in command. Stick and Stone were clearly assessing DD's abilities.

The Chaste/Hand war looks to be the "event" in The Defenders. The endgame being a DD-led Chaste (featuring Iron Fist, Jessica Jones & Luke Cage) defending NYC from the coming threat of Elektra and The Hand.

 

[just one thing]

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Ben nooooo. When he got fired, I was thinking. Daily Bugle here we come. They are not messing around up in here. Don't think we'll see classic return of the dead on this show

ah ****, good character, was thinking the same career path as yourself but some gangsters are very strong on the no ma's rule.

 

[Human Torch]

Another shocking death. I suppose it only made sense. But now Urich's gone.

I'm surprised that Jose's is treated like the friendly hang out spot. I thought in the comics it was a pest hole crawling with criminal vermin.

I guess we got some sort of explanation why only blind Chinese people worked those heroin tables.

Not entirely shocking that Owl was behind the poison attempt,but I didn't really see that coming.

I liked seeing Matt finally do his running & jumping over roof tops.Not in costume,so it's kinda small consolation.

"I'm not the bad guy"

So Matt uses meditation to heal up? Better keep at it.The final's coming up!t:

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'm still traumatised by that ending. The foreshadowing was heavy, but I still couldn't quite believe Marvel would go this far, this dark... and create a genuine sense of "no one is safe." Devastating. As powerful as the ending scene was, there was other strong stuff here too. I've talked in the previous two episodes about the pace slowing right down since the blow-out of episode 9, but with this episode I'm recognising this isn't simply a case of taking a "breather." Rather, it feels more like us entering the endgame, and the writers making a conscious decision that the characters getting emotional pay-off is of greater priority than the action ramping up - bold for a superhero show, but I think it's a decision that's paid off. As in this episode more than any other, I recognised that we've been on a journey with these characters, watched them change and grow: some growing together, others apart. Fisk's final scene with Wesley was disarmingly moving, and there was lots of emotion drawn from how Matt, Foggy and Karen are being torn apart. And Vondie Curtis-Hall, man... he's been superb as Ben Urich, bringing a real quiet strength and decency to the role. Not that we were devoid of action, as the Chinese drug-production thread of the crime story came to an explosive head here in a way which seems to foreshadow the upcoming IRON FIST series. Bring on the finale!

 

[Lord]

I must say the shift in pace and tone in this last few episodes was a bit jarring at first but I can totally understand it. It really adds a sense of weight and pain for what all these characters have gone through. And you please just give Charlie and Vincent the Emmys now because that was a masterclass. I love how they appear to have set up many things for the future while at the same time servicing the story. But man they way Kingpin handles that ending, just wow.

The build up and scene was great, but i think that's realy big stretch.

 

[the last son]

So unnecessary.

 

[Mr.T]

Wow, just wow. I had a feeling Karen & Ben were playing Russian Roulette the last 3-4 episodes. Keep poking at the hungry pitbull and you'll get bitten...

Jaw dropping episode.

 

[Naked Shia]

that death was shocking. there was no blood at all, but it was really horrible. Poor Ben. Powerful episode all along. Matt crying to Karen was great too.

 

[kvz5]

TBH I would've been less shocked if

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Karen died rather than Urich. His death was so devastating.

 

[KingCheops]

TBH I would've been less shocked if

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Karen died rather than Urich. His death was so devastating.

Karen has it coming whereas Ben was just a nice guy trying to help people out.

Really wondering if a Punisher series or at least story arc of the some of the Defenders trying to stop him is a possibility now. Bar some of the Marvel Max stuff Punisher isn't that much darker. I think it'd be really funny for Matt to track down the dangerous man mopping up Kingpin's operation only to find out that it's Frank!

 

[metaphysician]

Karen has it coming whereas Ben was just a nice guy trying to help people out.

In what way did Karen "have it coming" that Ben did not?

 

[Rocketman]

Killing Ben was completely unacceptable for this series. I don't know if I should even bother continuing to watch it.

 

[Golgo-13]

Killing Ben was completely unacceptable for this series. I don't know if I should even bother continuing to watch it.

As was killing Kingpin's assistant Wesley. He was one of the best character's on the show.

Btw, Bamboo sticks under the finger nails = I've always hated that torture!

 

[Iceman]

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Au revoir Ben Urich. You'll never get to meet Peter Parker now.

This was a hard one to take.