Season 10 vs. Movie Reboot

[SuperNoob]

So, with all the talk about if we will/won't see the suit next year, I'm wondering if it'll even be an option. In theory, the new movie will be in production next May, right? Would that impact Smallville's ability to even show a suit?

Kind of like the no Batman/Wonder-Woman/Green Lantern thing. If they have movies in production, would it impact Smallville's ability to bring "Superman" to the show?

 

[SrsBsns]

Ehhh, I wouldn't be too worried about it. I can't remember who made this point but someone said that it wouldn't even matter because Smallville ends next year and the movie won't even be coming out till...summer 2012?

By the point, Smallville will be way past finished.

 

[Webhead2006]

i doubt it would have any effect. As we all know season ten is more then likely to be the last season for the show. So i would figure they can probably do what ever they want. And yea the earliest this reboot could be in production is either spring 2011 or early summer. And being that smallville would be wrapping up on its last few episodes. I doubt the film would have any bearing on what they can and cant do. Plus look when Superman Returns happened it didnt really effect the show at all. Plus by the time this reboot would be out if its 2012 or 2013 the show would already be over for at least a yr.

 

[The ?ion]

I am not really sure that THE suit is needed. While Clark has abandoned the "Red Blue Blur" aesthetic, he has traded up to dawn his family shield, a dual identity, a job at the Daily Planet and a romance with Lois Lane. What we have is Superman, without them ever calling him Superman.. Otherwise, all of the essential elements are there. The forthcoming/impending reboot is a non-issue unless people are really that concerned about seeing the comic version of the Superman costume. For all intents and purposes (at least by my measure), the black leather jacket and S shield black shirt, are the Superman costume for Smallville. You really have to think of Smallville as being an Elseworlds tale rather than being a retelling of Superman stories.

 

[AgentPat]

I am not really sure that THE suit is needed. While Clark has abandoned the "Red Blue Blur" aesthetic, he has traded up to dawn his family shield, a dual identity, a job at the Daily Planet and a romance with Lois Lane. What we have is Superman, without them ever calling him Superman.. Otherwise, all of the essential elements are there. The forthcoming/impending reboot is a non-issue unless people are really that concerned about seeing the comic version of the Superman costume. For all intents and purposes (at least by my measure), the black leather jacket and S shield black shirt, are the Superman costume for Smallville. You really have to think of Smallville as being an Elseworlds tale rather than being a retelling of Superman stories.

Smallville is less Elseworlds than it is a re-interpretation. That may be splitting hairs, but the producers have made it clear on multiple occasions that they want Smallville to "line up" with current continuity, hence elements such as the ice crystal palace depiction of the FoS and the need to off Jimmy Olsen 1.0. Furthermore, the producers have already said Clark's current costume is transitional. His red and blue future is already show canon and has been so since the third season...

 

[Bad Superman]

I see Smallville and the new film as different entities. I'm sure there'll be no conflict between the two productions.

 

[The ?ion]

Yeah but that was back when Millar and Gough were running the show. Who knows. If Season 10 is the last season, they may just do the fans the service of making him truly become Superman. On that note though, Smallville hardly sinks up with DCU continuity. Unless you are using Birthright as your origin point. If so, then yes, Smallville does sink up in many ways. But outside of that, not so much.

-Meeting Lex in Smallville
-Meeting Lois in Smallville
-Meeting Martian Manhunter in Smallville
-Chloe Sullivan
-Fighting Doomsday before he is Superman. Not dying after his fight with Doomsday
-Forming a rough Justice League before ever leaving Smallville
-Ollie defending Metropolis before any other cape
-Ollie defending Metropolis instead of Star City
-Lex Luthor killed by Green Arrow

I could go on and on, but this is pretty much an Elseworlds tale. Elseworlds are reimagining of the standard continuity. It is splitting hairs in a way for you try to separate a reimagining from an Elseworlds take, but yeah. A ton of stuff happens in Smallville, that never happens in the comics, or never happened in the same way. But I feel that that is the fun of Smallville.

 

[zerohour films]

Had there never been an announcement about DC Entertainment and the creative people leading the charge I would say that a new film could potentially kill it for us.

But since we DO have DC Entertainment and with Geoff Johns role in it along with his love for Smallville I finally feel pretty confident in Superman's true blue (and Red ) appearance on the show. IMO the stars are lining up for Smallville to really go out with a bang!

Now it's just a matter of when and how for long Superman will appear. While I'd love a whole season (dreaming) or a half season (would be nice) I am sure we won't get big Blue until the Series finale---which I pray is a big 2hr movie.

Contrary to some I cannot accept the black trench coat look as Smallville's version---nope not gonna do it and you can't make me-----. I think the new showrunners have demonstrated that unlike Al/Miles they are not afraid of embracing the comic book side and will deliver on the most important costume of all for this series.

Based on S8 interviews they have already been in talks with TW about the wearing the suit (it almost sounded if they already wanted him in it) and I would think after all this time its been worked out how to make the transition and when. So barring any rogue creative or executive types from WB that will be working on the reboot I don't think we'll see any opposition to it.

This is WB though and we know their history well enough---all it takes is one bad apple to spoil it. I'm just hoping that should that occurr the CW and DCE can push back harder.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[Webhead2006]

as i pointed out in my post from a few days ago. The show shouldnt be affected with the upcoming reboot. Firstly for all we know the show will be in its last season. And like i pointed out the season is likely going to be wrapped already for production by the time the film is likely to be going into production next spring/early summer. So the film will likely not affect what smallville producers will be able to do in last season. Plus also by the time said reboot comes out in either 2012 or 2013 the show would be off the air already. So there would not be any conflicting stuff.

 

[ironman29758]

Yeah but that was back when Millar and Gough were running the show. Who knows. If Season 10 is the last season, they may just do the fans the service of making him truly become Superman. On that note though, Smallville hardly sinks up with DCU continuity. Unless you are using Birthright as your origin point. If so, then yes, Smallville does sink up in many ways. But outside of that, not so much.

-Meeting Lex in Smallville
-Meeting Lois in Smallville
-Meeting Martian Manhunter in Smallville
-Chloe Sullivan
-Fighting Doomsday before he is Superman. Not dying after his fight with Doomsday
-Forming a rough Justice League before ever leaving Smallville
-Ollie defending Metropolis before any other cape
-Ollie defending Metropolis instead of Star City
-Lex Luthor killed by Green Arrow

I could go on and on, but this is pretty much an Elseworlds tale. Elseworlds are reimagining of the standard continuity. It is splitting hairs in a way for you try to separate a reimagining from an Elseworlds take, but yeah. A ton of stuff happens in Smallville, that never happens in the comics, or never happened in the same way. But I feel that that is the fun of Smallville.

this show has been described as a reimagining and took many things from comics, cartoons, tv shows, movies, etc and no superman(or any comic book superhero for that matter) origin, tv series, movie, cartoon do thing the same way and
Ollie has been described of living in Star City saving people before he came to Metropolis
there were plenty of superheroes saving people before superman(the guardian being a prime example) and Clark is still going to be the one inspiring the silver age of heroism.
Lex has been described by the producers of being alive which was pretty much confirmed by Dr.Fate
smallville has been described as a retelling many times:
season 9 official description-
"Soaring into its ninth season, this modern retelling of the Superman legend and its classic characters continues to blend realism, action and emotional depth to reveal a new interpretation of the enduring mythology. This season, as Metropolis' clock tower tolls our hero's darkest hour, we find Clark Kent finally making his first attempts to embrace his calling as a superhero. "
The producers said that they are going to align this show to the mythos as seen with Davis splitting with Doomsday who became a mindless being being put and the producers confired that Clark will fight him as Superman and will die then and Clark metaphorically dies in Doomsday, Cat Grant being a tv host, Older Jimmy dying and he had an younger brother who will be the iconic Jimmy Olsen, Martian Manhunter being a police detective(he lost his powers and still looked human in many Silver age comics but gain them later) and also joining the JLA in Justice and Doom and Bulletproof, Lois becoming a reporter, Lex becoming evil and Clark being a reporter and developing his secret identity as the Blur/Superman/the good samaritan
-a silver age clark kent/superboy met Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, Inspector Hederson, Green Arrow, Batman, Aquaman, Mr.Myxzlptlk, Lex Luthor,etc
-and post crisis has Martian Manhunter see Clark coming to earth and watching him as a 10 year old boy under african american workhand John Johnstone
-Chloe is basiaclly a mix of character like Lois, Lana, Pete Ross, Oracle, etc
-SV proto JLA(also called a work in progress) is like the JLA seen in Mark Waid JLA Year One, Batman and the outsiders with Clark refusing to join and never founded the JLA at first(he technically help found it but never a member) but then become the leader of the JLA later. Dinah, MM, Aquaman and Bart(SV'S Barry, Wally and Bart combined) are members and founders. Cyborg is a member of the new JLA and was a member of the JLA in the super powers:galactic guardian cartoon. Ollie was funding the team in post crisis and was a member and founded a pro active team of heroes seeking out justice in Cry of Justice and can be seen as a proto Batman like the comics GA. remember each of the heroes are developing their superheroes and as a team/family.
but I agree with what you said nonethe less

 

[BrollySupersj]

Smallville season 10 IS THE REBOOT!! SURPRISE!

 

[The ?ion]

And when I say that it should be taken as an Elseworlds tale, that doesn't mean that all of the comic continuity is to be pissed upon or ignored. I simply mean that everything is up for reinterpretation. I have no doubt that they will try to go through as many memorable moments as possible (I even suspect that we will soon be seeing Darkseid with all of the warnings of a forthcoming "Apokolips"). At the same time, I don't expect things to unfold in this show, as they did in the comics. Superman fought Doomsday in this show, and rather than die, he subdued his opponent with ease and in minutes.

Kara has full control of her powers, where as Clark has minimal control (though in the comics, Superman was more powerful because he was around absorbing sunlight for a longer period of time).

But there is still room for nods to the certain things from the books. Such as Martian Manhunter and Oreo cookies (that was a brief shot, not sure if folks caught that in the series) or Clark being a football star (a nod for John Byrne). But I don't think events will always pan out the same in Smallville, as they have in the books.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea the show has for yrs been its own twist on the legend while also taking elements/ideas from the whole history of the character.

 

[The ?ion]

Smallville season 10 IS THE REBOOT!! SURPRISE!

You win for that post. I didn't even see it yesterday.

 

[Bruce_Wayne29]

Smallville season 10 IS THE REBOOT!! SURPRISE!

Season 10 should make things interesting. I think they will align with continuity and they will end it with a bang. Since it's been said the new movie starts with Clark already being Superman, I wouldn't be surprised (and am actually praying this time WB finally GETS IT) if they do the smartest move and use what's already an established franchised and CONTINUE IT into the big screen with it's star in the role that IS and HAS BEEN for many years - his.

 

[greenlantern248]

Okay the question I had and I posted this in another thread but, (I will put in spoiler tags for those not on that thread)I will ask it here as well.

Spoiler

Do we know if Grier is coming back as Waller for next season? Since Waller's live action debut was on Smallville and now she been casted in Green Lantern (Angela Bassett), will movie rights to the character surpass the show's rights or will they still allow her to be on Smallville?

 

[lespaul59]

My guess would be it depends on how they worked the contract out for the character. Like if they worked it out to have the character in say 5 episodes then unless there is a clause that states that WB/DC can pull rights, they have the character for 5 episodes. But I know nothing about these tings and just guessing.

 

[Webhead2006]

it would be nice if they used smallville as jumping point for the new film series. but as much as us fans would like that. it is likely not going to be the case. and even if the next film isnt a full blown origin reboot, which i would want. it could still start out with clark's arrival to the city/his first public save, and then get some flashbacks to krypton/smallville life. i made my case over in the supes board. it would be a total mistake not to have any origin stuff. or start out with an established superman for a long period of time and not seeing how things came to be. cause we just lose out on storylines and characters that way.


As for the pam grier/amanda waller deal. i would figure since geoff johns is head creative guy at dc entertainment he would probably allow for smallville to use the character still for smallville. i definately want to see waller/checkmate-sucide squad be a secondary threat next season too.

 

[The ?ion]

Okay the question I had and I posted this in another thread but, (I will put in spoiler tags for those not on that thread)I will ask it here as well.

Spoiler

Do we know if Grier is coming back as Waller for next season? Since Waller's live action debut was on Smallville and now she been casted in Green Lantern (Angela Bassett), will movie rights to the character surpass the show's rights or will they still allow her to be on Smallville?

I don't see how this would be an issue. It isn't like they banned Erica Durance from the show once Superman Returns came out. So there is no reason why they won't keep Pam Grier around for some minor roles. Plus, she is thirty times more interesting than Tess Mercer. Not that I dislike the actress who plays her, but Tess really is this hollow Lex replacement character.
ne
On that note, season 9 resumes next friday. There are only eight or so episodes left in the season. They already set up a huge subplot by

Spoiler

establishing that Tess works for Checkmate and having Waller feeding Lois some information to help her break news leads on meta activity

. It would be an awful waste if they just rushed Waller out of there like they did with Davis Bloome/Doomsday.

 

[KBX]

I hope its not an issue also. Smallville did get the OK to use Waller, I mean the Green Lantern movie has been in the works for a while now.

I guess the difference is Dr. Amanda Waller and Agent Amanda Waller

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

I don't see how this would be an issue. It isn't like they banned Erica Durance from the show once Superman Returns came out. So there is no reason why they won't keep Pam Grier around for some minor roles. Plus, she is thirty times more interesting than Tess Mercer. Not that I dislike the actress who plays her, but Tess really is this hollow Lex replacement character.
ne

Tess is the most ridiculously arbitrary character ever. She's pretty much a foil for the sake of being a foil.

None of her actions have any logic to them and are completely arbitrary for the sake of creating drama and misery for the other characters.

Tess being part of the anti-alien Checkmate team makes no sense when she was the one who released the Kandorians believing they could 'save' humanity.. Yes, Tess sucks.