Daredevil Season 2, Episode 6 "Regrets Only" (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[flickchick85]

Discuss Episode 6: "Regrets Only" here.

A lethal foe returns with a vengeance, Foggy and Murdock risk the firm to ensure justice, and Karen sees a different side of The Punisher.

ANY SPOILERS FOR EPISODES BEYOND THIS ONE MUST BE TAGGED.​

 

[flickchick85]

Elektra's just plain fun. She's definitely gonna screw Matt over, though.

 

[BatsDC]

I'm liking Frank more and more.

 

[TX85]

Daredevil and Elektra tag teaming

 

[TheVileOne]

I loved this episode. Loved the opening fight sequence starting with the thugs on the motorcycles. The diner scene was also hilarious and fun. I could've been wrong, but it sounds like Elektra said when she realized Matt was Daredevil, "You can't mask that ***. I'd know it anywhere."

I wonder what happened to the thugs after they got knocked out though?

 

[flickchick85]

I could've been wrong, but it sounds like Elektra said when she realized Matt was Daredevil, "You can't mask that ***. I'd know it anywhere."

That's exactly what she said, lol. I loved that line.

 

[Broseph44]

I loved this episode. Loved the opening fight sequence starting with the thugs on the motorcycles. The diner scene was also hilarious and fun. I could've been wrong, but it sounds like Elektra said when she realized Matt was Daredevil, "You can't mask that ***. I'd know it anywhere."

I wonder what happened to the thugs after they got knocked out though?

Perhaps they dropped them off to the authorities? Or called the authorities to the apartment, didn't Elektra say that the place wasn't in her real name anyway?

 

[TX85]

I want Frank to take out the DA *****!

 

[Broseph44]

Yeah she is annoying as hell haha

 

[Mike Murdock]

Day two of my Netflix binge. Ow, my head hurts. I guess that's what happens when the Punisher shoots you in your armored head. Oh no, wait, I'm just hung over from all the Manhattans I drank last night. Oh well, time to pick up where I left off. As an aside, to start, my settings got messed up so the episode started with the Yakuza people with Chinese subtitles. It thought it was weird to have them speak Japanese and show the Kanji, but leave it untranslated. Anyone know what they were saying?

I have mixed feelings about this episode. Like most of the times that happens, it's the legal aspects. This post will probably be for those who care about the legal aspects more than anything else. I hate the trope of the "lazy green Public Defender." There are plenty of lazy lawyers. There are plenty of court-appointed lawyers who do seem to not care. But people who are fresh out of law school and sign up to be Public Defenders are generally true believers. They're the most zealous, dedicated around (I say this because I am one of them). It's perpetuating a negative stereotype that hurts poor people because they end up not trusting their own representation. I get that it makes sense narratively, but it still troubles me. I'm going to try and justify it as Reyes pulling strings to essentially choose her opposing counsel (given the corruption last season with the Kingpin, I can imagine it just doesn't vanish overnight). Plus, isn't it true that there's no "Public Defender" in New York. I thought it was the Legal Aid Society. They should have just said "court-appointed lawyer" (the legal aid society was conflicted out because they represented one of his victims previously). That would have fit well and, as a Public Defender, I have nothing against bashing private court-appointed lawyers

There are technically other legal issues as well. One is the conflict of interest they mentioned in the episode - they represented someone he's alleged to have killed. It's a deceased client, but he can't waive that conflict and it's possible their previous representation hurts their current client's interests. On the other hand, they're right that Reyes can't call them on that. However, there's also a rule against soliciting clients in person. I think it's a dumb rule and it's often violated in exactly these contexts, but it does exist. I did cheer when Matt pointed out the obvious that Reyes was on thin ice ethically too by being there when she can't speak with Frank Castle without his legal representation present.

My complaints aside, I like what they've set up. I'm glad the Punisher storyline hasn't been abandoned. I'm glad they're representing someone who "is guilty." Furthermore, I like Frank Castle's interactions with the lawyers. For one thing, he doesn't like them since they defend the scumbags he puts away. He also isn't going to appreciate legal arguments that "hide the truth" or let someone "get away with something." Basically, defense attorneys are the antithesis of what he believes in (while he still needs to rely on them because he's a soldier. He doesn't understand the complexities of the legal world). I think, on top of her being in his house, it explains why he trusts Karen. Foggy is a lawyer, used to talking out of both sides of his mouth. Karen is someone he can see as honest. I also like that this theme is a continuation of the previous debate between Daredevil and Punisher. Each man is a world. Just like the people previously didn't deserve to die, Frank Castle doesn't deserve to die (even with 30-something murders, which would qualify you for the death penalty in Delaware*). I like the other story with Matt and Elektra, although it's clear that Daredevil is undermining Nelson and Murdock. I also want to point out that this is the first confirmation of Matt's blind cane being his billy club (at least, that it's heavy enough to be). A real blind cane wouldn't knock someone out. They certainly didn't have to keep that part (since it isn't all that realistic), but I like that they did (especially since he can't keep his costume under his clothes, so it's the only weapon he'd have as Matt Murdock under cover).

* If someone wants me to explain the procedure for the Delaware death penalty, I'd be happy to do so. Obviously, that's beyond the scope of this post (although it's been subject to some constitutional issues recently with a Supreme Court ruling that probably occurred after this episode was written). I do like that they acknowledged that New York doesn't really have the death penalty (which is something Law and Order routinely ignored because, hey, it's good drama).

Four Stars. The little things brought this episode down for me and I didn't think the other things that happened boosted it back up. It's a good episode, though. The biggest thing is what it sets up for the future. I do like where the Frank Castle story is going (there ain't no way in hell a trial would be set a week later but I'm going with the Reyes having disproportionate power explanation to hand-waive everything that doesn't make sense).

 

[chamber-music]

I want Frank to take out the DA *****!

She seems shady. I'm expecting her to meet a sticky end.

I like the humanity and ruthlessness of the Punisher. He is written well rounded enough o make him feel believable.

Elektra is the kind of woman tour mother warned you against.

Detective Sarge is team Avocados at law.

 

[Moridin]

I'm doing 3 eps a day so far, stoped here today.

Got off to a real shakey start, eps 1 &2 were weak, I was worried this season would be a missfire. Ep 3 got things back on track to the usual standard of quality. Ep 4 was excellent, possibly the best so far, Bernthal is killing it. Ep 5 was a solid intro to Elektra. Ep 6 was another top tier one, loving Elektra.

 

[Lencho01]

"Who said I was Yazuka?"

I don't think that dude lived.

 

[Heretic]

Mike, I didn't see that defense attorney as lazy. I saw him as a newbie...only had one prior case. The DA called him in, gave him a nice chat...and basically talked him into doing what she wanted because she was experienced enough to run circles around him. It's what they have tried to do a few times with Nelson and Murdoch, but our boys didn't fall for it.

 

[voyzovrezon]

I'm also watching 3 episodes a day. I find more than that then the story lines get blurred.

I'm loving this season so far. I wonder if Matt's temporary bouts of deafness is going to plague him throughout the season. If not, then why introduce this complication to begin with? To me, that scene in his apartment where he loses his hearing and screams inaudibly was chilling and the most intense thus far.

Then there was the Punisher's torture scene. It took Daredevil long enough to get there.

The most riveting scene was his story about his daughter and the poetry and how he held her lifeless body in his arms.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Mike, I didn't see that defense attorney as lazy. I saw him as a newbie...only had one prior case. The DA called him in, gave him a nice chat...and basically talked him into doing what she wanted because she was experienced enough to run circles around him. It's what they have tried to do a few times with Nelson and Murdoch, but our boys didn't fall for it.

But how could he possibly think he's doing his job. Even if he doesn't know what he's doing, he was essentially working towards an extradition and lethal injection. Either way, it gives PDs a bad name (on top of that, someone like that wouldn't be assigned to a murder case without experience anyway).

 

[Web-Head]

I thought this episode was well balanced. Had the right amount of Matt/Daredevil, Elektra, Karen, Frank and Foggy.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm honestly preferring the Punisher plot to the Elektra plot so far. Elektra is slightly more likeable in this episode than the last, but has Matt at her beck and call. Frank Castle seems far more of a decent person than Elektra does though, even though he's murdered gangs by the dozen.

It's funny that Jennifer Garner played Elektra at the time of Alias. The end of this episode was actually a bit more like an Alias episode with the gala and mini heist.

 

[RockSP]

I wonder if Matt's temporary bouts of deafness is going to plague him throughout the season. If not, then why introduce this complication to begin with? To me, that scene in his apartment where he loses his hearing and screams inaudibly was chilling and the most intense thus far.

That was an after effect of the shot to the helmet he took from Punisher. I don't think it's going to be (or needs to be) on ongoing thing.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm looking forward to the trial and any courtroom scenes. They were a little sparse last year. I want to see Matt and Foggy actually doing some lawyering and not just doing legal research or conferences/ interviews or negotiations.

 

[TheVision]

This one was def better than Episode 5. A little draggy in spots. I like when Matt and Elektra team up to do their missions.

Spoiler

I liked that club scene. Cool looking spot! Creating a neat cat burglar way to show Matts extra sensory perception was awesome. Them being caught in that room= lol. I liked the spy/heist theme of it the most.

 

[Agent Z]

Solid episode.

One nitpick about the heist: Matt and Elektra weren't worried about leaving fingerprints?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am totally on board with Berthal getting his own show ASAP. While it might be a bit of a hard needle to thread, narrative wise (I guess characters like Microchip would help to balance things out) with writing like the character has been getting it would be an entertaining and dramatic show. As for the rest of the episode...

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I liked seeing team Murdock handle Reyes. I actually appreciate the Reyes character. Not to say that she's a great person but she represents the arrogance and failure of legitimate authority and that is the justification for a lot of the Marvel heroes (granted again... NYC is far from the ultra crime infested hellhole the show paints it to be these days. It's a little exasperating because I still meet people that are not native New Yorkers that seem to think the city is like it was when THE WARRIORS was filmed here almost 40 years ago).

Again... Karen is so important to the plot. Deborah has a fine line to play with the character. She needs to be idealistic but neither a fool nor a pushover. She has to have inner strength of some kind, and Woll pulls it off more often than not.

Elektra and DD are a fun team to watch even as you know that in the end, this woman is trouble and no good for Matt and his life. His extracuricular activities are going to start affecting his day job and it is not going to be pretty I think. Great bit with the infiltration and the "safe cracking". I think it's interesting that they aren't reliant on SFX bells and whistles when it comes to Matt's super senses.

Finally... "Yakuza? This is the Hand son. Worry about your body AND your soul.

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm late to the party and I was going to give my thoughts after I finished this season, but this episode is the turning point for me. Both the Frank Castle and Elektra plots were kicked into high gear. I want to see more of Matt and Elektra sleuthing in formal wear. I'm really impressed by the conflicts Matt is facing by both plots, but Elektra brings a valuable and needed energy to the show. I personally think she should have a Netlfix show.

 

[Babillygunn]

I have mixed feelings about this episode. Like most of the times that happens, it's the legal aspects. This post will probably be for those who care about the legal aspects more than anything else. I hate the trope of the "lazy green Public Defender." There are plenty of lazy lawyers. There are plenty of court-appointed lawyers who do seem to not care. But people who are fresh out of law school and sign up to be Public Defenders are generally true believers. They're the most zealous, dedicated around (I say this because I am one of them). It's perpetuating a negative stereotype that hurts poor people because they end up not trusting their own representation. I get that it makes sense narratively, but it still troubles me. I'm going to try and justify it as Reyes pulling strings to essentially choose her opposing counsel (given the corruption last season with the Kingpin, I can imagine it just doesn't vanish overnight). Plus, isn't it true that there's no "Public Defender" in New York. I thought it was the Legal Aid Society. They should have just said "court-appointed lawyer" (the legal aid society was conflicted out because they represented one of his victims previously). That would have fit well and, as a Public Defender, I have nothing against bashing private court-appointed lawyers

There are technically other legal issues as well. One is the conflict of interest they mentioned in the episode - they represented someone he's alleged to have killed. It's a deceased client, but he can't waive that conflict and it's possible their previous representation hurts their current client's interests. On the other hand, they're right that Reyes can't call them on that. However, there's also a rule against soliciting clients in person. I think it's a dumb rule and it's often violated in exactly these contexts, but it does exist. I did cheer when Matt pointed out the obvious that Reyes was on thin ice ethically too by being there when she can't speak with Frank Castle without his legal representation present.

PDs aren't real attorneys though.

Lol. Just kidding. (Sort of.). I'm a lawyer who formerly had my own shingle doing plaintiffs work and criminal defense. Now I am a partner at a big firm. I agree that Foggy, Matt, and Reyes would have some serious questions to answer from the Bar Association. Seriously this show is like an MPRE exam that asks "name every unethical act done in this show."