Season 8 Theories and Speculation

[MaceB]

So, this basically entirely hinges on the "brown eyes, blue eyes" line, and a line that her dancing coach said to her in the first season? Apparently, Melissandre can't be trusted, unless she's prophesizing extemporaneously. Again, if you were to take those things as 'hints,' then you'd have to admit that there were many more hints that Jon would do it.

What does Bran being Arya's brother have anything to do with it? Jon is Bran's brother as well...

Again, you're basically admitting that Arya brings nothing to the scene. It was all about the twist. Jon killing the Night King would have had more emotional weight than Arya doing it. You seem to want to fight with me that that's okay. But it's not. It's shallow. It's forced. It's arbitrary.

 

[Rocco]

So, this basically entirely hinges on the "brown eyes, blue eyes" line, and a line that her dancing coach said to her in the first season? Apparently, Melissandre can't be trusted, unless she's prophesizing extemporaneously. Again, if you were to take those things as 'hints,' then you'd have to admit that there were many more hints that Jon would do it.

What does Bran being Arya's brother have anything to do with it? Jon is Bran's brother as well...

Again, you're basically admitting that Arya brings nothing to the scene. It was all about the twist. Jon killing the Night King would have had more emotional weight than Arya doing it. You seem to want to fight with me that that's okay. But it's not. It's shallow. It's forced. It's arbitrary.

Well that's the thing since both had hints that are acceptable period I'm ok with one or the other. Would I have preferred Jon? Yes personally. Well normally brother and sister are closer than cousin and cousin. Jon is Bran's cousin technically. I don't want to fight with you. I thought we were having healthy debate. If it's bothering you then I'll stop. She clearly brought something it just obviously wasn't enough for you and that's ok.

 

[MaceB]

So, on the one hand.. we have mountains of hints, with the Night King literally being Jon's soul focus throughout the show. On the other hand, we have one extemporaneous comment from Melissandre that could have just as easily been interpreted to mean, "woa, you're gonna kill a lot of people. We're gonna meet again."

I also love how folks like to have it both ways on this one. When it comes to Jon... "You mean you really believed Melissandre? Buahaha, Don't you know this is a George R. Martin story?" And then when it comes to Arya..."Well, didn't you hear what Melissandre said? She told Arya that she was going to kill someone with blue eyes (which she already has). Case closed!"

Putting in an awful lot of mental effort to try to make this make sense. And still waiting for what Arya actually brings to this scene... you know... besides the shock value... which the writers already admitted was their primary reason behind it. All twists are good. It doesn't matter how much it makes sense or how deflating it is to the main character and his antagonist. This is GOT. Duh!

 

[Rocco]

So, on the one hand.. we have mountains of hints, with the Night King literally being Jon's soul focus throughout the show. On the other hand, we have one extemporaneous comment from Melissandre that could have just as easily been interpreted to mean, "woa, you're gonna kill a lot of people. We're gonna meet again."

I also love how folks like to have it both ways on this one. When it comes to Jon... "You mean you really believed Melissandre? Buahaha, Don't you know this is a George R. Martin story?" And then when it comes to Arya..."Well, didn't you hear what Melissandre said? She told Arya that she was going to kill someone with blue eyes (which she already has). Case closed!"

Putting in an awful lot of mental effort to try to make this make sense. And still waiting for what Arya actually brings to this scene... you know... besides the shock value... which the writers already admitted was their primary reason behind it. All twists are good. It doesn't matter how much it makes sense or how deflating it is to the main character and his antagonist. This is GOT. Duh!

Yep they messed with our emotions and pulled the rug out from under us and didn't want us to accept those hints as being hints until they revealed the twist they were planning. Well those people have a point, I wouldn't put it past GRRM and I sure as hell didn't put it past D&D to pull a twist whether it's written badly or not. It's not that surprising really. I expect another surprise or two whether no one saw it coming or not. It is what it is. So yes D&D's motivation was to have a twist just so we can go "Oh my GOOOOOOOD!" However at least when they revealed the twist there was explanation and an attempt to tie it back to something that is associated or can be with the night king in some way, the god of death for example. Not everyone saw the value in Jon doing it as not everyone cares about Jon or his soul focus on the night king.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yep, definitely no hints that Ayra would take out the NK. She’s only began her combat training in season one, went to special ninja magic school that resolved around worshipping/staring into the face of death, and the Night King represents death incarnate as he’s been explicitly stated as such by the show and the creators...but yeah. Totally out of left field that the girl with death magic ninja skills would kill the dude who basically is death. How does that make any sense? It’s so crayyyyyyyy.

 

[Rocco]

Yep, definitely no hints that Ayra would take out the NK. She’s only began her combat training in season one, went to special ninja magic school that resolved around worshipping/staring into the face of death, and the Night King represents death incarnate as he’s been explicitly stated as such by the show and the creators...but yeah. Totally out of left field that the girl with death magic ninja skills would kill the dude who basically is death. How does that make any sense? It’s so crayyyyyyyy.

Yeah I think while they knew no one would see this twist coming they figured they could justify it and make it work with all Arya went through too including the god of death stuff.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah I think while they knew no one would see this twist coming they figured they could justify it and make it work with all Arya went through too including the god of death stuff.

It honestly wasn’t that surprising to me. And I thought it was a very earned moment. I enjoyed the ep overall, but I do have some complaints about it, but none of them revolve around Ayra killing the NK. That was a moment I felt was fully supported.

 

[TheVileOne]

So, this basically entirely hinges on the "brown eyes, blue eyes" line, and a line that her dancing coach said to her in the first season? Apparently, Melissandre can't be trusted, unless she's prophesizing extemporaneously. Again, if you were to take those things as 'hints,' then you'd have to admit that there were many more hints that Jon would do it.

What does Bran being Arya's brother have anything to do with it? Jon is Bran's brother as well...

Again, you're basically admitting that Arya brings nothing to the scene. It was all about the twist. Jon killing the Night King would have had more emotional weight than Arya doing it. You seem to want to fight with me that that's okay. But it's not. It's shallow. It's forced. It's arbitrary.

For one thing, they mis-quoted what Melisandre told Arya before originally in the latest episode.

For another, Melisandre's visions and such have been wrong like a lot.

 

[TheFuture]

Arya being the one, whatever like.....I can roll with most things in this show at this stage. So there's no issue there for me, moreso the issue is that after all that build up, the Night King was no harder to kill than the Walk Walker Jon defeated at Hard home.......and the one Sam the Slayer dealt with also beyond the wall. All they required was to lure this monstrous being into a false sense of security so they could get close to him (and they did that by seemingly playing on the human aspect of the Night King who is out for revenge....Christ).

It really was laughable and felt like a GOTCHA for the sake of it.

Especially given what is likely to happen in the final 3 episodes; the undead Mountain and (not) Euron are probably going to claim bigger scalps than the Night King; all simply to serve the ludicrous narrative they've spun around Cersei.

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean the Night King already had dragon glass in his chest. What guarantee was there that dragon glass would work?

 

[blackdragon6]

Most don't care about Arya killing the NK tho. It's how easily it was wrapped up and not tied into the Iron Throne in some way. Personally I think the Iron Throne arc should have been squared away first.

 

[Marvolo]

I mean the Night King already had dragon glass in his chest. What guarantee was there that dragon glass would work?

Yep he had dragon glass in his chest so it shouldnt have killed him, and he was shown to be impervious to dragon fire. It should have been Valyrian Steel or more appropriately Lightbringer that killed him. It's just another example of D&D not thinking this through or not caring that it didnt make much sense.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Yep he had dragon glass in his chest so it shouldnt have killed him, and he was shown to be impervious to dragon fire. It should have been Valyrian Steel or more appropriately Lightbringer that killed him. It's just another example of D&D not thinking this through or not caring that it didnt make much sense.

It was Valyrian Steel. It was the dagger that was sent to kill Bran way back in Season One, the dagger that Bran himself personally gave to Arya. So not only is Bran saved (along with the world) by the weapon meant to destroy him, it also implies he knew this would be how it happened.

 

[Reek]

i mean valyrian was orginally forged with dragon fire right? dragon glass is also made from dragon fire... so to me... it doesnt make much sense for either of them to work while he just got lit but by dragon fire and it didnt even phase him... i think lightbringer should have been the only way... even though its basically a mix of what i just said, but that swords is supposed to be special.... maybe Dawn could have been the sword...

im just talking out of my ass obviously, but i still find it weird....

also did anyone see any dragon glass arrows used? i know there were arrows on fire but you'd think theyd be able to shoot some of the WW generals at least lol

 

[Perfect Cell]

I'm more upset that Jaime never got a dragonglass dagger attachment for his stump. Could have been a medieval Ash Williams. Also known as... Ash Williams.

 

[stillanerd]

BTW, now that the not-so Long Night, Dany's forces, especially the Dothraki, are pretty much decimated, we're now meant to think that Cersei now has a fighting chance against Dany's forces. After all, Cersei is backed by the Golden Company. Wait? The Golden Company? The same sellswords that Jorah (on the show) once belonged to? The same sellswords who, according to the lore, was founded by a Targaryen bastard and (in the books) secretly work for Illyro and Varys? Looks like Cersei, once again, may have been too clever by half, especially if this particular fan video plays out:

 

[stillanerd]

Also, similar to the above theory, Cersei may have doomed herself by ironically living by her family motto "A Lannister always pays his debts" according to this video:

 

[Marvolo]

I think it's too late to bring in the lore about a Targ founding the Golden Company. But ever since Cersei announced that she was hiring the Golden Company I've thought itd be a good opportunity for Dario to return. Reveal that Dario is actually controlling the GC, either by outbidding Cersei or killing the leader of the GC, and just before the battle starts they go over to Dany's side.

 

[Iceman]

I think it's too late to bring in the lore about a Targ founding the Golden Company. But ever since Cersei announced that she was hiring the Golden Company I've thought itd be a good opportunity for Dario to return.

Yes, would be good to see him again and would be interesting to see Dany’s reaction if/when she sees him.

 

[BatLand]

The "Targ" who founded the Golden Company was a Blackfyre, a legitimized house of bastards from some Targaryen king. They rebelled four times against the Targaryens before they were ultimately almost wiped out by pure blooded Targaryens and Bloodraven.

So I don't think that heritage would be any reason for them to back a Targaryen cause. Then again, money IS a pretty good reason.

 

[TheFuture]

I think it's too late to bring in the lore about a Targ founding the Golden Company. But ever since Cersei announced that she was hiring the Golden Company I've thought itd be a good opportunity for Dario to return. Reveal that Dario is actually controlling the GC, either by outbidding Cersei or killing the leader of the GC, and just before the battle starts they go over to Dany's side.

I don't know; the little we seen of Strickland gave me a weird vibe. I do think there's a twist there yet.

 

[warhorse78]

So, on the one hand.. we have mountains of hints, with the Night King literally being Jon's soul focus throughout the show. On the other hand, we have one extemporaneous comment from Melissandre that could have just as easily been interpreted to mean, "woa, you're gonna kill a lot of people. We're gonna meet again."

I also love how folks like to have it both ways on this one. When it comes to Jon... "You mean you really believed Melissandre? Buahaha, Don't you know this is a George R. Martin story?" And then when it comes to Arya..."Well, didn't you hear what Melissandre said? She told Arya that she was going to kill someone with blue eyes (which she already has). Case closed!"

Putting in an awful lot of mental effort to try to make this make sense. And still waiting for what Arya actually brings to this scene... you know... besides the shock value... which the writers already admitted was their primary reason behind it. All twists are good. It doesn't matter how much it makes sense or how deflating it is to the main character and his antagonist. This is GOT. Duh!

Personally, that quote from Melissandrei the first time to Arya had nothing to do with eye color. It's her dark path it was eluding to. I also took it as a hint to watch out in other people as well. And Davos makes a point, if your "Lord of Light has you kill children by burning them alive, then that lord is evil!" Same Lord of Light had the Band of Brotherhood sell an innocent boy to Mel to be sacrificed. Same Lord of Light gave Sandor visions of an arrowhead on the other side of the wall, and in the end, that vision got them all screwed if it wasn't for Dany flying into the rescue. But then she loses a dragon, and the Night King ends up reviving it and using it to take down the Wall. All of these things for me points to the Lord of Light might actually be evil.

 

[warhorse78]

i mean valyrian was orginally forged with dragon fire right? dragon glass is also made from dragon fire... so to me... it doesnt make much sense for either of them to work while he just got lit but by dragon fire and it didnt even phase him... i think lightbringer should have been the only way... even though its basically a mix of what i just said, but that swords is supposed to be special.... maybe Dawn could have been the sword...

im just talking out of my ass obviously, but i still find it weird....

also did anyone see any dragon glass arrows used? i know there were arrows on fire but you'd think theyd be able to shoot some of the WW generals at least lol

You make a good case of the "Night King" who was killed was not the true Night King. Ned hid Jon's true heritage all of these years, so why wouldn't the Night King hide his own identity from everyone? And, like you, I'm talking out of my ass, but I keep thinking Qyburn might have something to do with the White Walkers. I find it highly suspicious that he looks a bit peeved that Cersei wouldn't send out the army to go help Winterfell, and then it was he who decided to send Bronn out on some stupid pointless mission. Plus, look what he did with the Mountain. I just can't help but feel like there is more to Qyburn than we know. And, it's also interesting to note that he took over Varys role in the kingdom, including his little birds.

 

[TheVileOne]

I really hope the ending spoilers I saw are fake.

 

[Madam-Shogun]

I really hope the ending spoilers I saw are fake.

What were they? I mean at this point I don't care about being spoiled, cause I'm kinda over it lol.