Secret Wars to return next year.

Civil War, Schism and AvX were all written like everyone with a code name was minus 80 IQ points from the norm. Instead of talking everyone just hit each other because thinking was hard.

That's the biggest issue I have with 'events' from Marvel. Everyone in them is an idiot.
 
It was pretty bad when the ****ing Hulk was the one acting the most sensible. Hell, in recent years he's been acting more sensible than Banner.
 
It will be the best of times.....it will be the worst of times......and no one will emerge unscathed.
 
About the only thing I worry about is them bringing in the crappy Ultimates origin of mutants, bringing them closer to the MCU's "miracles" rather than being what is traditionally a mutant.
 
They'll always make money. What they are not doing right is alienating long time fans.

Well, comic sales have increased rather drastically for the past three years in a row, so they must be doing something right.... :whatever:


This whole thing could turn out to be really, really good or it could just make things more confusing than they already are.
 
This whole thing could turn out to be really, really good or it could just make things more confusing than they already are.

I think it will be the latter as there will be several versions of the same character that could survive this event. Marvel killed off 616 Wolverine last year, I now think that this was done to make way for a replacement Wolverine. Perhaps Old Man Logan will be the new main Marvel Wolverine? Oh, but there will be three other Wolverines running around as well! Yikes.

Some fans even think this will section the X-Men and Spider-Man into their own universe because of the film rights, a little silly to me.

I'm really looking forward to Amazing Spider-Man in the coming months though, sounds like a dream come true for Peter.
 
Out of the few comic fans left, yes the X-books still represent a significant number of sales. If Disney was interested in subsidizing failing businesses, Lucasarts would still be around.

the sales are awful. Like I said, outside of Bendis' two books, the X-titles arent doing too hot. These are numbers compiled from here: http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?29756-X-Books-Sales-for-December-2014

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The highest ranking one was Spidey and the X-men and thats primarily bc it was the first issue. A first issue and it debuts at #14. I remember when the X books used to consistently be top 20 material and now the top tier books are lucky to even get in on the low end of that. This isnt surprising though bc there has been a major push to elevate the Avengers line at the expense of the Xbooks over the last decade. Xmen just are no longer a priority for Marvel. I think the low numbers will just serve as justification for ending most of the books and de-emphasize the mutant presence within the MU
 
You do understand that anything above 30,000 is a good seller, right? There is a reason the 20,000 range is cancellation range. Why would any business give up those 200,000+ in sales for a bunch of books that may or may not replace those sales. Especially since there is probably a big chunk of X fans who don't buy non-X books.

This only works if you believe that Disney feels that Marvel Comics should be subsidized in order to make Fox's X-men universe literally the only source of X-men.

No, X-men is no longer the face of Marvel. But that does not mean they are not a very important group for them. Otherwise, they wouldn't keep Bendis on two X-books.
 
You do understand that anything above 30,000 is a good seller, right? There is a reason the 20,000 range is cancellation range. Why would any business give up those 200,000+ in sales for a bunch of books that may or may not replace those sales. Especially since there is probably a big chunk of X fans who don't buy non-X books.

This only works if you believe that Disney feels that Marvel Comics should be subsidized in order to make Fox's X-men universe literally the only source of X-men.

No, X-men is no longer the face of Marvel. But that does not mean they are not a very important group for them. Otherwise, they wouldn't keep Bendis on two X-books.

and most of the ongoing X books arent above 30K. Most are hovering around or below. The numbers have been dropping for the most part every month

Why would a business give up those sales? I dont know. Why dont you ask Marvel. It happens all the time these days
 
There is no chance that Marvel would drop the X-Men. No chance. The backlash would be massive.
 
There is no chance that Marvel would drop the X-Men. No chance. The backlash would be massive.

when has that ever stopped them? It didnt stop them from ending the classic Avengers with Dissambled and rebooting with a more mainstream lineup. It didnt stop them from ending Spiderman's marriage. It didnt stop them from ending FF. They keep making controversial decisions and just press forward regardless of any backlash that readers may give them. They are used to it

They wont completely drop the X-men. No one is saying that, but I do expect to see the line further de-emphasized going forward. There likely wont be 20 different book in the franchise starring these various characters and spinoff teams. We've already seen them be incorporated into the Avengers and the broader MU as they expand that brand. I honestly would not be surprise if the X brand is at most 3 team titles when all is said and done
 
I'm very skeptical that they plan on doing that tbh. I voiced my thoughts in the other thread but I'm of the mindset that a lot of the paranoia about Marvel preparing to do away with the FF and X-Men is a very brilliant publicity stunt.

People keep pointing to A) the death of Wolverine, B) the apparent death of Deadpool and C) the cancellation of the FF but here's why I think that's bull.

A) At the time of his death Wolverine had become a shallow joke of a character and a husk of his former self. He went from being one of Marvel's most popular characters to a lifeless corpse being picked apart by countless ****** stories. I'd argue that this is merely a hiatus until they bring him back with a fresh take. Even his death conveniently has his body frozen inside a cocoon of adamantium, like they already have an epic resurrection scene in mind where he bursts out of it to kick some ass.

B) I'm really skeptical that Deadpool is going to die. The book pulls in decent numbers and they've already done stunts like this in the past. This wouldn't even be the first time they killed Wade!

C) FF has not sold well in years. They've been boxed out by more popular teams. All that outrage and fan solidarity over the movie? None of that has translated to sales the past few years (which is part of the reason why I feel the controversy was overblown but that's a whole other thing). I lump this in with Wolverine. They'll end the title and then launch a new volume. Think about it. The rumors about Marvel doing this to spite Fox? All the controversy over the changes the movie has made? The outrage about Marvel supposedly destroying it's founding family just to throw a temper tantrum over movie rights? This is the most anyone has been talking about the Fantastic Four in years. Controversy sells.

Seriously, if they were just gonna destroy the FF as a **** you to Fox, do you think they'd be promoting it and making a huge deal? No they'd be quietly strangling the book out back. That they're so aggressively pushing all the "This is the most controversial FF story of all time!" "Is this the end of the FF?!" marketing says to me no, this is not the end.

We will see a high profile relaunch to ride all this fresh publicity.

I don't deny all the stuff about making the Inhumans into mutant expies or even the rumors about Marvel trying to stall FF merchandise from being made, but the actual idea they're trying to smother all Fox-owned properties? I ain't buyin' it.
 
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I havent even mentioned Fox as a reason for any of this. Thats a big long counterpoint to something I want even going on about.

And of course Wolverine will be resurrected. Thats a no brainer. Nearly every solo hero with the exception of the original Captain Marvel gets brought back
 
Mar-Vell has actually been resurrected only to be killed off again shortly after... Twice.
 
That doesnt count. Maybe technically, but you know what I mean. I mean long term return, not gone within the same arc he's brought back
 
I told myself after 2015 I would be dropping all non-Spidey and Star Wars titles from Marvel due to money(I'm a fan of so many things!)...I'm wondering now if I should just do it after Secret Wars. I'm intrigued enough to get Secret Wars as I really like Jonathan Hickman and the set up he has done in Avengers titles, but I will have to see the first titles of the All-New Marvel universe to determine how much longer I will go. It would be easier to focus on my unfinished 616 series I've accumulated over the years.
 
I havent even mentioned Fox as a reason for any of this. Thats a big long counterpoint to something I want even going on about.

That's because I wasn't talking to you, but addressing a general claim that several people here and multiple people around the web keep saying, which is that this is all just a move to **** over Sony and Fox.
 
This looks all quite awful.

What always helped make Marvel great is the assumption and tie to the real world. New York city, not a "Gotham" and so on. What's this piecemeal planet crap???

Also, what happens to the actual good books Marvel is putting out right now? Most of their team books are crapping the bed something fierce but there are some gems in the smaller solo books. What happens to titles like Black Widow, Elektra, Punisher, Cyclops, Daredevil???
 
Might as well start talking about the Battleworld setup too:

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And here's some theories about which some of these areas represent:

4. Egyptia
Egyptia is bit of a doozy to kick off this guide, since "Egyptia" is not a name tied to any known Marvel world. However, there are some compelling bits of evidence to suggest the nature of this territory - obscure as its origins may be.

Egyptia is likely tied to Earth-9105, a world where Moses never led an exodus out of Egypt, and where ancient Egyptian culture is still pervasive. Though Earth-9105 has been rarely seen - mostly in the New Warriors story "Forever Yesterday" - but the presence of Horus, Earth-9105's equivalent to Thor in several pieces of Secret Wars promotional art gives this idea credence.

8. The Regency
There's not a whole lot to go on for World 8, "the Regency." The only thing giving any clue as to its nature is an Amazing Spider-Man teaser image of an unmasked Peter Parker standing with Mary Jane Watson-Parker along with a young girl, presumably their daughter, possibly May Parker, with the words "Renew Your Vows."

And... That's about it. While that's not much, it does provide a few possibilities. Could the Regency be a post-Civil War world where Peter never made a deal with Mephisto, forgoing the necessity of Brand New Day? Or could it contain nascent aspects of the MC2 Universe, where May "Mayday" Parker inherited her father's abilities, and became fan-favorite Spider-Girl?

9. King James England
This one is actually pretty easy to spot. In all likelihood, King James England refers to Earth-311. the setting of Marvel's acclaimed mini-series 1602. Showcasing versions of the Marvel heroes with an Elizabethan twist, 1602 seems a no-brainer to bring in in some way.

And, even though England was still the land of Queen Elizabeth in 1602, it was only in 1603 when Elizabeth died, and the Scottish monarch James VI ascended the throne of England. Perhaps a year has passed in that timeline, leading to this new moniker for the era.

10. Weirdworld
Weirdworld is another obscure Marvel reference - if it's a reference at all. The only real link between Marvel and the name comes from a '70's fantasy comic of the same title. Created by Doug Moench and Mike Ploog, Weirdworld debuted in the first issue of black and white magazine Marvel Super Action before Ploog departed, leaving John Buscema to draw subsequent stories published in Marvel Super Special.

Aside from the murderer's row of talent associated with Weirdworld, it's hard to piece together exactly why Battleworld would include elements of a fairly typical fantasy story starring a couple of elves and a dwarf named "Mud-Butt," but as Axel Alonso and Tom Brevoort have reiterated time and again, nothing is off the table when it comes to Battleworld.

12. Utopolis
Utopolis may refer to a couple of different things, all of which are X-Men related. First and foremost, it may refer to Utopia, the island home of the X-Men before it was sunk by the Phoenix Five in Avengers vs X-Men. With the Utopians, a long teased faction of X-Men debuting just before Secret Wars starts, and several other territories dedicated to the X-Men at various points in history, this seems a possibility.

On the other hand, Utopolis may refer to parts of Earth-900, a world where Professor X's dream of peaceful coexistence between humans and mutants has come true, with the X-Men serving as a kind of police force, Storm serving as headmistress of the Xavier school, and James Howlett acting as a mutant terrorist. There are a lot of little elements there that either line up with current continuity - like Storm as headmistress - or which feed into possible Secret Wars outcomes, like a return for Wolverine.

13. New Mars
The most obvious explanation for New Mars is that it will tie in with the terraforming of Mars by Ex Nihilo at the beginning of Jonathan Hickman's Avengers run. Since that run is said to have set the stage for Secret Wars, and Hickman touted Ex Nihilo and his companion Abyss as important additions to the Avengers - an assertion that has yet to truly play out - there's a lot to suggest that this may be the case.

That said, there is also another strong possibility. New Mars may refer to the world inhabited by Killraven, a cult-classic character created by Roy Thomas, and inspired by H.G. Wells's War of the Worlds. Killraven is a John Carter-like figure who fights for freedom in a world conquered by Wells's Martians. There have long been rumblings of a revival for Killraven. Could Secret Wars finally see that come to fruition?

16. Arachnia
When it comes to Arachnia, one guess is really as good as any. Prevalent theories seem to hold that Arachnia will spin out of the conclusion of Spider-Verse, playing something of a counterpoint to Spider-Island, which is recalls the recent event where many characters and numerous civilians received Spider-Man's powers.

Arachnia could very well be the catch-all locale for the various Spider-Men (and Spider-Women, such as Gwen Stacy) who might survive Spider-Verse. On the other hand, it could be something completely different, but given Spider-Verse's multiverse-spanning story, it's likely there will be some tie-in between the two stories.

17. Marville
Despite sharing a name with the much-maligned limited series of the same name, Battleworld's Marville doesn't seem to share much in common with its hated namesake. Created as part of a bet with Peter David by then Marvel honcho Bill Jemas, Marville told the insufferably obtuse and referential story of Kal-AOL, a bizarre, media-driven Superman analogue.

Battleworld's Marville, however, was tied to a Skottie Young Marvel babies cover brandishing the AvX logo. This suggests that Marville may share only the element of parody with its namesake, and could perhaps bring in elements of Not Brand Echh, the Spectacular Spider-Ham, or even works like Crazy that featured a satirical bent.

18. The Eye of Agamotto
The Eye of Agamotto is a tough territory to navigate. While it has obvious ties to Dr. Strange, it doesn't represent a locale or world of its own. Still, with Strange receiving a huge power boost and conquering the Black Priests - central figures in the ongoing Incursions - it's not impossible that the Eye of Agamotto territory is exactly what it seems like.

Given Dr. Strange's long history with inter-dimensional travel and alternate universes, and the Dr. Strange movie's supposed connection to that idea, it makes sense to draw some connection between the Sorcerer Supreme and the multiverse. While we hesitate to judge a comic event by the possible film implications, the timing adds up. Perhaps Strange's Eye of Agamotto represents a safe-haven from the multiversal chaos? A kind of metaphysical Sanctum Sanctorum, or, more aptly, the eye of the storm?

21. The City
This one is a no-brainer. The City likely refers to a location featured in Jonathan Hickman's Ultimate Comics: Utimates. The City was an artificial environment created by Reed Richards's evil Ultimate counterpart. Taking up a huge portion of Europe, the City was built by beings raised in an environment of accelerated time, leading to their advanced evolutionary stage.

With the Ultimate Universe playing such a huge part in Secret Wars, and Hickman himself being the creator of the city - and the former writer of Reed Richards in Fantastic Four - it's pretty obvious why The City would be one of several Ultimate locations to make it to Battleworld.

22. The Warzone
While the name Warzone carries its own implications, mostly tied to the long running title Punisher: Warzone, judging by the promotional image attached to this region in the aforementioned video, which featured several prominent characters in era-appropriate costumes, it seems that Warzone actually represents a time where Marvel's Civil War is still raging.

It's unclear whether Warzone will be drawn from the time in the mainstream Marvel Universe where Civil War was still taking place, or if it represents a kind of "What If?" reality where it is still occurring, or had a different result. Warzone does raise the question of whether Battleworld will only be comprised of elements of other realities, or if even the timestream is at play in Secret Wars.

http://www.newsarama.com/23295-a-traveler-s-guide-to-secret-wars-battleworld-part-one.html
 
And part 2:

23. New Quack City
New Quack City has the obvious connotation of originating in Howard the Duck's home reality of Duckworld, Earth-791021. However, New Quack City isn't a known Duckworld location, unlike New Stork, Duckhattan, or Wackington, D.C.

But, considering Howard has a high-profile new ongoing from Chip Zdarsky and Joe Quinones launching just before Secret Wars, and considering New Quack City's proximity to Marville - another territory with satirical origins - this one is a dead giveaway.

24. The Far East
The Far East doesn't give us a lot to go on. Beyond the name, there are really no clues to speak of. But common sense, and a little bit of intuition suggest that this region will probably be home to the Marvel Mangaverse of Earth-2301.

Home to numerous "Manga-fied" versions of popular Marvel characters, Earth-2301 has its own ninja Spider-Man, a team of X-Men who make their home in a dojo, and Antoinette Stark, Tony's twin sister, the Mangaverse has a wealth of characters to pull from. Lending credence to this theory is the appearance of several of its characters in Secret Wars promotional material, and its Spider-Man appearing in "Spider-Verse."

25. The Valley of Flame
The Valley of Flame was the setting of the short-lived comic Devil Dinosaur from the late '70's. Created by Jack Kirby in his second, more experimental tenure at Marvel, Devil Dinosaur followed the adventures of the titular sauropod and his ape-like companion, Moon Boy.

There's no reason to think this Valley of Flame won't be the one from Earth-78411, Devil Dinosaur's homeworld. And, as weird as Devil Dinosaur is, as with most things Kirby related, the characters are cult favorites, and have even appeared in mainstream Marvel titles over the years.

26. The Hydra Empire
The Hydra Empire is obviously tied to the neo-Nazi organization that has become widespread not just in Marvel's current continuity, but in its films as well. But which version of Hydra is the Hydra Empire? There are several distinct possibilities.

The Hydra Empire could tie-in to the current arc of All-New Captain America which has referenced an "Age of Hydra," or, drawing from another era of Captain America continuity, it may be related to Hydra splinter-cell the Secret Empire, which got its coils all the way to the White House during Steve Englehart's legendary Captain America run. Or, somewhat out of left field, it could tie to Earth X, where the Hydra are a race of conquering aliens. Even more obscure, it may relate to Earth-1720, a world visited by the Exiles where Hydra ruled.

27. 2099
Set on Earth-928, Marvel 2099 was an early '90's publishing initiative that featured future versions of characters such as Spider-Man, the X-Men, and Doom, among many others. Many of the characters, particularly Spider-Man 2099, Miguel O'Hara, have become fan favorites since the line ended years ago.

With Spider-Man 2099 seeing a revival, set in present day, and the Superior Spider-Man having recently traveled to 2099, it makes perfect sense that Secret Wars would bring aspects of 2099 into the new "greatest hits" style Battleworld. After all, 2099 isn't as far off as it used to be.

28. Hala Field
While Hala Field isn't a known locale in the Marvel Universe, Hala certainly is.

The throneworld of the Kree empire, Hala is the birthplace of many prominent Kree, including Ronan, the Accuser, and is inextricably tied to the origins of many Marvel characters such as the Inhumans and Captain Marvel. But which version of Hala is Hala Field tied to?

Our best guess says it's Earth-200080, home of Noh-Varr, A.K.A. Marvel Boy. Created by Grant Morrison and J.G. Jones, Noh-Varr hails from a universe where the Kree have conquered much of the known galaxy. Noh-Varr has had a fairly high profile in recent years, with a stint on the Avengers, and as part of Kieron Gillen's acclaimed Young Avengers. Interestingly, Noh-Varr's Kree possessed "Kirby Engines" which allowed them to traverse the multiverse, which they called "Macrospace."

31. The Wastelands
The Wastelands is an easy territory to decode. The Secret Wars promo video tied this zone to a promo image for "Old Man Logan," a callback to a story by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven, the team behind Civil War, which follows an aging Wolverine through a dystopian future.

Set on Earth-807128, Old Man Logan also featured bizarre, sometimes shocking twists on many Marvel characters, like the thuggish descendants of the Hulk. Given the popularity of Old Man Logan - and the likelihood that some version of Logan will make it out of Secret Wars - the Wastelands is an obvious choice.

32. Mutopia
Mutopia may well be tied to Marvel's House of M reality, given that it shares a title with a mini-series spinning out of that event. However, considering that another territory, the Monarchy of M, is already tied to that reality, it raises some questions.

Mutopia may simply be yet another world that explores a different point in the X-Men's timeline, or it could even tie to Utopia, the failed island haven for mutants from Matt Fraction's Uncanny X-Men run.

33. Westchester
While some fans were concerned with the lack of X-Men characters in the initial Secret Wars teaser material, but with several Battleworld regions with confirmed X-Men connections and several more unconfirmed, it looks like fans of Marvel's merry mutants have very little to worry about. And most interesting of all may be Westchester.

Tied, by the Secret Wars promo video, to a teaser titled X-Men '92 and featuring the cast of the X-Men cartoon that premiered that year, Westchester may be the first region that aims to pull in story aspects of non-comics media. And since the X-Men cartoon was many fans' gateway to the Marvel universe, the reasons to incorporate elements of the acclaimed series in Secret Wars are obvious.

34. Killville
Killville is another territory with no obvious ties to any particular Marvel story. But there are a few possibilities. Given the name "Killville," there's a solid chance this zone is tied to Earth-95216, home of the story Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe, in which an alternate Frank Castle does exactly what the title says, and slays alternate versions of many of Marvel's most prominent characters.

Further, this version of Frank Castle also appeared in Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, a similar story set on Earth-12101. It's possible Killville is some kind of mash-up of the two, a madcap world where violence is the prevailing philosophy. Of course, it could be something else entirely.

35. Arcadia
The name Arcadia carries no specific connotation in the Marvel Universe. Some fans have tied it to Arcade, longtime B-List X-Men villain, but this seems less likely than the territory representing one of Marvel's many still unaccounted for realities.

In a literary sense, "Arcadia" represents an idyllic world yearned for by renaissance artists and romantic poets. Of the remaining worlds that have been teased, the most likely candidate is Earth-88194, home of the Shadowline characters, part of Marvel's Epic imprint. With several characters, including the Knights of St. George appearing in Secret Wars promotional material, this is the best clue as to Arcadia's nature so far.

http://www.newsarama.com/23309-a-traveler-s-guide-to-secret-wars-battleworld-part-two.html
 
I'm so excited for this! Its always so funny to me when people get upset over their own speculation. Also I don't see how its a big deal that X-Men aren't as popular they once were, they were Marvel's biggest guns from the 70s-2000s. Lets let the Avengers, Inhumas, Guardians etc. get some spotlight.
 

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