Shazam!!!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Given the huge advancements in makeup and prosthetics in movies at the moment; I think the task of simply re-shapeing an actors eyebrows shouldnt be a problem.
 
Nicholas Elia for Billy Batson

nic.jpg
 
Last edited:
He's 11, by the time they would make the movie he would be 13
 
Yeah. I don't know. I just don't like his look for Batson. And btw, the second pic is a red x.
 
Yea they would need to go with a very young actor for billy so they can pull off atless 2 sequels with him still young enough to be a kid and all that.
 
Molale have always been my second choice now I love him even more.
Thanks for the video.

No worries - I was on his website looking for cool photos to make a better comparison pic and chanced upon that vid.

Like I said, I hadn't really heard him talk before, and as much as you might think an actor is right for the role based on their look - If their voice isnt right it can spoil everything. Now that I have heard it, it's definately put my mind at ease in that respect.

Molale's obviously even got a comedic quality which could be utilised to highlight Billy's 'innocent' niiavity in the movie.

Yea they would need to go with a very young actor for billy so they can pull off atless 2 sequels with him still young enough to be a kid and all that.

Y'know - what you said should have been obvious but I never thought of that.

That's a really good point.
 
Yea and since this film isnt likely to be moving right now for what i think probably another yr or two we would have to maybe look at young actors who are currently like 7/8 yrs old now who would be good and can probably get a few films out of while they are like 8-11 range. How old is the billy character meant to be?
 
I think he got his powers at about 12 and has never been portrayed as older than 15/16
 
Five years ago, I would have said Trevor Morgan form Jurassic Park 3 Now I'm not really sure who.
 
...hopefully this will be set in the DC Universe so that eventually Cap and Superman can meet..
 
Well its not likely to be happening. Many of you have probably forgot since it hasnt been talked about in awhile that Wb/dc at this time are still looking to be loosing the copyrights to continue using the superman character past 2013 once shuster's heir goes to court and if he wins and he is likely to win since he is using siegels lawyer who is the big time dude who been winning intellectual properties back to owners/familes and all that. So i hope it doesnt happen so we can get a dc film universe like marvel is working on but if not the last of wb/dc superman on film we will get is the new reboot. And the way plans are looking right now with batman 3, reboot supes, gl, and one more we are not likely to be getting a jla film now to after the 2013 deadline and there we go with no superman in a jla live action film.
 
Oh, I don't think that WB will lose Superman, given they own pretty much everything that matters about the character (eg his villains, supporting cast, etc). The Superman the creators' estates would hold would be the original 1938 Superman, who could leap an eighth of a mile, was faster than a locomotive, bulletproof, and stronger than 10 (or was it 100?) men.

The character would be nigh-unrecognisable, and probably wouldn't sell. The estates want the dosh - they'll settle and lease the copyright (or something like that). WB will be able to make Superman movies, but they'll have to do extremely well due to the royalties going to the Shusters and Seigels.
 
No worries - If the WB lose ole BIG Blue :csad:.
The WB will Finally have a reason to take The BIG Red Cheese out off storage, talk about underutilized. :cwink:
 
Well from everything i know yes the families only get the elements of superman from action comics number 1-6 which isnt alot but from what i heard about sigels wife/dauther and the heir to shuster they are very unhappy with the direction wb has taken with the character over the years and the mistreatment of shuster/siegel when they were alive and want to take it away from wb/dc. Now yes if they do end up fully taken the rights away in 2013 when shuster is legally able to go to court on the matter they do have to pretty much recreate the wheel for superman. Now i wish the families were just after money and all that. Because come on it would be smarter to leave it where its the icon and making all the dough even if they dont like the direction it is going. Cause i would think there is more then enough of the pie to share between the siegels and shusters and wb/dc. But we probably wont know for sure untill we are closer to 2013 and how shuster's court battle goes and then in nov of this year for the siegels to find out how much wb/dc owes the family since they have 50% of the copyright share right now.
 
Well from everything i know yes the families only get the elements of superman from action comics number 1-6 which isnt alot but from what i heard about sigels wife/dauther and the heir to shuster they are very unhappy with the direction wb has taken with the character over the years and the mistreatment of shuster/siegel when they were alive and want to take it away from wb/dc. Now yes if they do end up fully taken the rights away in 2013 when shuster is legally able to go to court on the matter they do have to pretty much recreate the wheel for superman. Now i wish the families were just after money and all that. Because come on it would be smarter to leave it where its the icon and making all the dough even if they dont like the direction it is going. Cause i would think there is more then enough of the pie to share between the siegels and shusters and wb/dc. But we probably wont know for sure untill we are closer to 2013 and how shuster's court battle goes and then in nov of this year for the siegels to find out how much wb/dc owes the family since they have 50% of the copyright share right now.

:supes: will be fine it's all about money and DC will cough up enough to please the family.
 
Well from everything i know yes the families only get the elements of superman from action comics number 1-6 which isnt alot but from what i heard about sigels wife/dauther and the heir to shuster they are very unhappy with the direction wb has taken with the character over the years and the mistreatment of shuster/siegel when they were alive and want to take it away from wb/dc. Now yes if they do end up fully taken the rights away in 2013 when shuster is legally able to go to court on the matter they do have to pretty much recreate the wheel for superman. Now i wish the families were just after money and all that. Because come on it would be smarter to leave it where its the icon and making all the dough even if they dont like the direction it is going. Cause i would think there is more then enough of the pie to share between the siegels and shusters and wb/dc. But we probably wont know for sure untill we are closer to 2013 and how shuster's court battle goes and then in nov of this year for the siegels to find out how much wb/dc owes the family since they have 50% of the copyright share right now.
Would you mind providing a source on those comments if you could. I know it's off-topic, but I'd like to see it regardless.
 
thumb_superboy47.jpg


Superman and Superboy

April 16th, 2008
Author Jeff Trexler
http://blog.newsarama.com/2008/04/16/superman-and-superboy/


The Superman case is not the only legal action the Siegels have undertaken against DC. They are also suing for the rights to Superboy, relying on the same termination rights statute that led to their regaining the Superman material in Action Comics #1.

The Superboy case provides a potent illustration of how fragile a court victory can be. Two years ago, a court held that Superboy belonged to the Siegels. However, the case was subsequently reassigned to Judge Stephen G. Larson, the same judge who issued the recent Superman decision. In a controversial ruling last July, Judge Larson granted DC’s motion to reconsider the earlier decision, which meant that the previous decision to grant Superboy to the Siegels was no longer valid.

If the Siegels and DC do not settle, the Superboy trial is scheduled to take place after the Superman trial concludes. In this post, we’ll examine several key issues raised by the Superboy case — and how the Siegels’ regained rights in Superman could turn it upside down.


29comics-inline2-650.jpg


Work made for hire: In 1937 and again in September, 1938, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster signed employment agreements that also gave DC the right of first refusal in any new material developed outside the scope of their employment. In November 1938, Siegel proposed a Superboy series to Detective Comics. The company declined. Siegel tried again in 1940, this time submitting a “lengthy script,” but once his offer was refused. (4)

In his Superboy opinion, Judge Larson ruled that because Siegel created this material in conjunction with the right of first refusal provision in his previous contract, Siegel’s Superboy material was not work made for hire. This means, at least theoretically, that the Siegels might be able to exercise termination rights. (53)

The idea/expression dichotomy: After Siegel entered the Army in 1943, Detective Comics paid Shuster for drawing a Superboy story in More Fun Comics #101. The fact that Siegel proposed a Superboy character earlier, however, does not automatically mean that he has a copyright interest in this material. As Judge Larson observed, copyright does not apply to the idea of a work; it applies only to a concrete expression. Based on the information he had at hand, Judge Larson was unable to determine “[w]hether any of the copyrightable material in Siegel’s Superboy submissions was in fact later published.” (65)

Joint work: The Siegels argued that Superboy was entirely the creation of Jerry Siegel. However, the judge raised serious questions as to whether this was the case. (53-65) Even if we assume that the DC’s Superboy contained Siegel’s copyrighted material, there was substantial evidence that Superboy was a joint work created with Shuster, with Shuster drawing the Superboy pages either as Siegel’s co-creator or as an employee of Detective Comics. Either way, the most the Siegels could get would be a 50% co-ownership interest in the character.

Derivative work: All of the above could be irrelevant, however, if the judge ultimately concludes that Superboy is completely derivative of Superman, with no original copyrightable elements attributable to Siegel. According to DC, Superboy is wholly based on pre-existing elements; there is nothing distinct except the trivial difference in age. The Siegels counter that Superboy, while partially derivative of Superman, nonetheless has distinctly original elements sufficient for copyright protection. (66-72)

Back when Judge Larson issued his opinion (http://uncivilsociety.org/siegel_superman_032608.pdf), finding Superboy to be a trivial variation on Superman would have killed the Siegels’ claim. Because Superman was wholly owned by DC at the time, the company would have owned all of Superboy as well.

What next:
The Superman ruling changes the game. If Superboy is wholly derivative of Superman, he is arguably co-owned by the Siegels, since they regained half the copyright interest in the Superman material in Action Comics #1. Thus DC’s previous arguments in the Superboy case may actually work against the company’s own interest. Whereas before the Superman ruling it benefited DC to claim that Superboy is completely derived from Superman, now DC’s own arguments provide a basis for finding that the Siegels by extension own half of Superboy.

Nonetheless, the Superman opinion also flips the Siegels’ arguments in the Superboy case. If the judge were to agree that Superboy is substantially distinct from Superman, applying the Siegels’ own arguments to recent Superman material could significantly lower their percentage of the profits. DC could argue that just as the Siegels contend Superboy is distinct from Superman, most if not all of the current Superman is new — after all, the character in Action #1 did not fly in space, live in alternate universes or turn electric blue.

Likewise recent Superboys: Action Comics #1 does not contain a youthful clone, nor does it envision a non-costumed teen who hangs around with Luthor and the nascent Justice League. Even if such characters are partially derived from Siegel’s work, the Siegels’ own arguments would seem to bolster the claim that a substantial portion of recent Superboy material is original to — and owned by — DC.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Members online

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
202,374
Messages
22,093,821
Members
45,888
Latest member
amyfan32
Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"