Should Armenian Genocide be recognized?

[Cinemaman]

I'm a direct descendant of the Sandinista regime in Nicaragua, doesn't mean I'm campaigning to get people to recognize anything.

You don't see the difference. I want my nation to get recognition, which has already been approved by several countries and American states. I mean our genocide was equal to Jewish, and they got their recognition, whereas Armenian's one was limited to just talks and nothing more.

 

[Darthphere]

You don't see the difference. I want my nation to get recognition, which has already been approved by several countries and American states. I mean our genocide was equal to Jewish, and they got their recognition, whereas Armenian's one was limited to just talks and nothing more.

It really wasn't my good man. Both are terrible events, but we're really not talking about anything close to equal.

 

[Cinemaman]

It really wasn't my good man. Both are terrible events, but we're really not talking about anything close to equal.

How so?

 

[Darthphere]

Well just to start off, the body count of the Jewish people is four times higher than that of the Armenian genocide.

 

[Cinemaman]

Well just to start off, the body count of the Jewish people is four times higher than that of the Armenian genocide.

Because there are less Armenian people than Jews, and it always was so. So if we count how many died because of genocide and how many existed that time we get the number that must be officially considered as genocide.

 

[Cinemaman]

There are 15,871,000 Jews, and only 8-10 million Armenians. There is a big difference.

 

[Darthphere]

There are 15,871,000 Jews, and only 8-10 million Armenians. There is a big difference.

Um, it's still more. It really doesn't matter of who died more or what, the Armenian genocide is smaller than the Jewish holocaust. Fact.

We're talking about 25% versus 10% here. Simple math.

 

[Nepenthes]

^ You're being very dismissive to something that will not impact negatively on your life at all, and is in the spirit of basic human decency, fairness and compassion. It's not a hard task or anything, but it means alot.

What exactly IS your problem with recognizing it?

 

[Schlosser85]

It's quite a bit hypocritical to constantly speak of "the" Holocaust, and not recognize the Armenian Genocide. "The" Holocaust is not the only Holocaust in history, not by a long shot, despite people often acting like it is.

 

[Darthphere]

^ You're being very dismissive to something that will not impact negatively on your life at all, and is in the spirit of basic human decency, fairness and compassion. It's not a hard task or anything, but it means alot.

What exactly IS your problem with recognizing it?

We have much more important things to worry about, hell we have genocides and mass murders happening as I type. Lets worry about the now, not about some event that happened 100 years ago, sorry 90 years ago.

It's quite a bit hypocritical to constantly speak of "the" Holocaust, and not recognize the Armenian Genocide. "The" Holocaust is not the only Holocaust in history, not by a long shot, despite people often acting like it is.

Well for the record and in all fairness, I didn't bring up the holocaust, Cinemaman did when he was trying to say that they were on the same level, which statistically, and factually are not true at all.

 

[brucewayne165]

Just because the numbers are less doesn't mean that they aren't similar. Obviously, if a genocide was started against both the people of the United States and the people of China, the Chinese genocide would be far worse because they have 3 times as many citizens as the U.S. does. That doesn't make this hypothetical American genocide any less horrible.

And why the trouble recognizing something that happen such a long time ago. Well, while on the subject of the Holocaust, here is a quote that pretty adequately explains why recognizing it is so important.

While persuading his associates that a Jewish holocaust would be tolerated by the west, Adolf Hitler stated...

"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

“Our strength lies in our intensive attacks and our barbarity...After all, who today remembers the genocide of the Armenians?”

 

[The Chairman]

Yes, it should.

 

[Kelly]

I would vote yes, but this is more of a foreign policy type of thing which IMO, falls under the job of the Senate, not the House.

 

[Nepenthes]

We have much more important things to worry about, hell we have genocides and mass murders happening as I type. Lets worry about the now, not about some event that happened 100 years ago, sorry 90 years ago.

Like I said it's not exactly a hard thing to do. It doesn't need to be "worried about", you just do it. It's no where near comparable to the task of stopping modern wars.

Why bother to do anything if there's a war going on?

It's the right thing to do. And being morally and critically sound enables us to be better today, in the things that we do.

 

[Cinemaman]

Darthphere simply is one of those who think they must act unpredictably stating that something that must be considered as fact shouldn't be.

Again, the numbers of killed Jews and killed Armenians are equal, if we consider the fact that there were way more Jews than Armenians.

 

[Cinemaman]

Just because the numbers are less doesn't mean that they aren't similar. Obviously, if a genocide was started against both the people of the United States and the people of China, the Chinese genocide would be far worse because they have 3 times as many citizens as the U.S. does. That doesn't make this hypothetical American genocide any less horrible.

And why the trouble recognizing something that happen such a long time ago. Well, while on the subject of the Holocaust, here is a quote that pretty adequately explains why recognizing it is so important.

While persuading his associates that a Jewish holocaust would be tolerated by the west, Adolf Hitler stated...

"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

“Our strength lies in our intensive attacks and our barbarity...After all, who today remembers the genocide of the Armenians?”

That's quote states a lot about nations, who were the reasons of massive murders of other nations.

And although Germany recognized it's involvement in Jewish genocide, Turks decided to go with the another policy - policy of lie, claiming that they didn't take any participation in Armenian genocide. The funny thing is that there is evidence of their numerous attacks, the result of which was the massive murders of Armenians, who didn't do anything against Turks to get such attitude and realize that decades later nobody would say it was a genocide.

And even if Germans began the Jewish genocide, they themselves recognized Armenians'.

 

[Darthphere]

Darthphere simply is one of those who think they must act unpredictably stating that something that must be considered as fact shouldn't be.

Again, the numbers of killed Jews and killed Armenians are equal, if we consider the fact that there were way more Jews than Armenians.

And again, using the numbers you yourself provided, that is utter ******** and mathematically wrong. That's not the point. You still have yet to:

1. Tell me exactly how taking time out from discussing real issues we have now in the House to put a vote to recognize the Armenian Genocide is going to make the American democracy any better.

2. How it's going to change anything that happened in the past or even now in Armenia.

3. Why you feel it necessary to try to downplay the plight of the Jewish people to make your point.

 

[Cinemaman]

And again, using the numbers you yourself provided, that is utter ******** and mathematically wrong. That's not the point. You still have yet to:

1. Tell me exactly how taking time out from discussing real issues we have now in the House to put a vote to recognize the Armenian Genocide is going to make the American democracy any better.

2. How it's going to change anything that happened in the past or even now in Armenia.

3. Why you feel it necessary to try to downplay the plight of the Jewish people to make your point.

I don't have to do anything for you. If you want to get the answers, do the research job. But you won't, because you're too lazy to learn everything yourself. Besides, not only Armenians were attacked by Turks, but also Greeks. The difference is in numbers. Turks killed 2,000,000 Armenians out of 8,000,000.

But it will change a lot. First, the Armenian genocide will be written in the world's history as a recognized fact. Second, Armenia will get back its lands taken by Turkey. And third, the justice will happen.

You see, it's just pointless to keep talking with you, because you don't want to accept any argument. There are 10 people who agreed, and only one, who doesn't want to. What's the sense?

It's like 1000 people saying the pen is red, and only one saying it's blue. Who would be right?

 

[The Senator]

Yes, the House of Representatives should vote to recognize the Armenian genocide.

They should also vote to send our troops into the Great War and get rid of alcohol, dammit

 

[Kelly]

Jesus Christ, I can't believe you two are arguing over a ****in number of people. They all died. That pretty much makes it bad.


We need to be looking at moving what is happening in Sudan along faster, steps are now being made to stop this genocide happening today, and we need to be pushing and don't stop pushing until all the government officials that are involved with this, and who are funding the janjaweed are brought to justice.