Should comics tone it down?

[Steve Rogers]

Suggestive content? If it's suggested then it's not actually shown. How do you tone down something not actually shown?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

By not suggesting it, either.

 

[Steve Rogers]

By not suggesting it, either.

So then it becomes nothing but pages filled with mundanities? It's like Seinfeld: The Comic. I'd read that...

 

[imdaly]

Y'know after reading this thread, I thought of something that kinda made me chuckle.


I started collecting comics when I was 10. Aside from my first comic (Spider-Man Classics #1), my first foray into the core books was "Maximum Carnage"

 

[UltimateJustin]

Y'know after reading this thread, I thought of something that kinda made me chuckle.


I started collecting comics when I was 10. Aside from my first comic (Spider-Man Classics #1), my first foray into the core books was "Maximum Carnage"

Maximum Carnage was fine, I dont have a problem with that kind of material. It was still a light-hearted romp agaisnt a serial killer. Carnage was a villian, now in comics humanity is.

 

[Bubonic]

If you want escapism, going towards sociological explanations as to why criminals turn out the way they do, and how they should be appropriately dealt with should be far from what you want, its too complicated, for even most adult readers.

I feel it good that comics are getting more sophisticated, you still get the escapism of seeing men and women in colourful costumes with stupendous powers dealing with even crazier villains.

A major difference is things aren't as generic anymore.

The comic code is awful and unrealistic, and culturally biased in some ways. I'm not suggesting we have comics glorifying criminal behaviour, but unfortunately the bad guys do sometimes win.

I also like how character get bruised up nowadays, it's sensible that after super powers beat on each others faces, that they might bleed and swell.

Western culture really has to sit down and think about their contrasting attitudes towards sex and violence. It really sickens me how much we fear the beauty of sexuality, of a nude body, yet we are so quick to let slide movies depicting the most vile aspects of human nature, the thrill of sexual torture and mutilation.

But thats sort of a testament to Judeo-Christian history, that is soaked in blood, and the vilification of sexuality.

Final point, in todays world climate, we should be made aware of the wrongs of our politicians, and maybe something as mundane as a comic book will actually make some of us wake up, and take action, instead of letting our lives be run for us under the illusion of freedom.

 

[Mladen]

If you want escapism, going towards sociological explanations as to why criminals turn out the way they do, and how they should be appropriately dealt with should be far from what you want, its too complicated, for even most adult readers.

I feel it good that comics are getting more sophisticated, you still get the escapism of seeing men and women in colourful costumes with stupendous powers dealing with even crazier villains.

A major difference is things aren't as generic anymore.

The comic code is awful and unrealistic, and culturally biased in some ways. I'm not suggesting we have comics glorifying criminal behaviour, but unfortunately the bad guys do sometimes win.

I also like how character get bruised up nowadays, it's sensible that after super powers beat on each others faces, that they might bleed and swell.

Western culture really has to sit down and think about their contrasting attitudes towards sex and violence. It really sickens me how much we fear the beauty of sexuality, of a nude body, yet we are so quick to let slide movies depicting the most vile aspects of human nature, the thrill of sexual torture and mutilation.

But thats sort of a testament to Judeo-Christian history, that is soaked in blood, and the vilification of sexuality.

Final point, in todays world climate, we should be made aware of the wrongs of our politicians, and maybe something as mundane as a comic book will actually make some of us wake up, and take action, instead of letting our lives be run for us under the illusion of freedom.

I agree with just about everything you've said here.

Tom and Jerry style (with no consequence) violence is more dangerous to a child's development than seeing the actual consequences of violence, such a bruises, injuries, death.

I hadn't even considered that the judeo-christian culture is probably the major reason on why we're so imbalanced in our attitudes between sex and violence. Definately explains why sexual content and the nude body is more acceptable in Japanese comics and television.

As for your final point, I entirely agree. There are many comics which deal with the issue modern-day politics, but it always makes me cringe whenever a comic-book reader complains about a comic being too political... They say they feel manipulated, but they don't seem to notice when they're being manipulated into admiring and modelling their morals on whatever the morals of the hero are, which include simplistic notions of evil/good (good is us, and evil is everything else) and following the letter of the law.

I was impressed to hear Marvel was even going near the topic of modern-day political supression of the individual's rights in Civil War... I always just figured the two big comic-teams to be apolitical in their stance.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i think marvel's fine the way it is.. it's always been more rooted in the real world.. and back in the day some of the issues we shrug today, where just as heated as ones are today. Marvel's always tried to make there world real, and always pushed the envelope, why stop now. if you want old fashioned escapism read DC... theres a reason Marvels number one.. and it isn't just due to the movies

 

[venom892]

dude if you read Green Latern/Green Arrow that deals with with alot issues stilling plaguing us today.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

thats because DC's been playing catch-up with marvel

 

[venom892]

dude that was in the 70's.

 

[Varient]

thats because DC's been playing catch-up with marvel

Actually,...........


The comic being referenced was groundbreaking. Marvel had yet to address Race, Government, Drugs, and on a much more subtle level "sex".

DC gave us the first Hero "Junkie" drug user outside of Hour Man,... Who was also a drug addict.

Marvel - I'll give credit,.. took swings at racism and classism - AFTER DC.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

actually i thought Harry and his drug use was handled before DC? i could be wrong though

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, DC's totally all about escapism as opposed to Marvel. I mean, it's not like they're publishing a title every month devoted to fictionalized analogues of real-world geopolitics and espionage. No way, DC would never do something like that 'cause they're all about the uber-powerful heroes beating on their normal, human villains in every comic, straight across the board.

 

[chamber-music]

guess what if you don't like something you don't have to buy it.

 

[masteryoda]

Yeah, DC's totally all about escapism as opposed to Marvel. I mean, it's not like they're publishing a title every month devoted to fictionalized analogues of real-world geopolitics and espionage. No way, DC would never do something like that 'cause they're all about the uber-powerful heroes beating on their normal, human villains in every comic, straight across the board.

Yeah, DC rules!!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't mock me. I have a fragile ego.

 

[Varient]

actually i thought Harry and his drug use was handled before DC? i could be wrong though

No,.. u r right,.. Marvel did a nod in a three issue series earlier in the same year as the Speedy story,... but DC was still first in all other things I listed.

 

[UltimateJustin]

Also, dont forget that Marvel has never had a "great" arc or story. Really, only Batman stories (TDKR, Long Halloween, Year One) achieve that, and DC published into popularity all the other great ones like the Alan Moore books and Vertigo titles. Marvel has a better roster of heroes, DC has better celebrated stories. I personally think all superheroes should quit.

 

[Kitsune]

Also, dont forget that Marvel has never had a "great" arc or story. Really, only Batman stories (TDKR, Long Halloween, Year One) achieve that, and DC published into popularity all the other great ones like the Alan Moore books and Vertigo titles. Marvel has a better roster of heroes, DC has better celebrated stories. I personally think all superheroes should quit.

Yeah, that Dark Phoenix Saga was so forgettable
and Days of Future Past... nobody's heard of that..
Marvel never does great stories.

 

[PhotoJones]

Also, dont forget that Marvel has never had a "great" arc or story. Really, only Batman stories (TDKR, Long Halloween, Year One) achieve that, and DC published into popularity all the other great ones like the Alan Moore books and Vertigo titles. Marvel has a better roster of heroes, DC has better celebrated stories. I personally think all superheroes should quit.

That's the dumbest thing I've read all day.

 

[Varient]

Also, dont forget that Marvel has never had a "great" arc or story. Really, only Batman stories (TDKR, Long Halloween, Year One) achieve that, and DC published into popularity all the other great ones like the Alan Moore books and Vertigo titles. Marvel has a better roster of heroes, DC has better celebrated stories. I personally think all superheroes should quit.

SMH @ U.
"Never?"

"Only Batman?"

 

[SouLeSS]

Comics? No.
Media in general? Yes. Very much so.

 

[SouLeSS]

Also, dont forget that Marvel has never had a "great" arc or story. Really, only Batman stories (TDKR, Long Halloween, Year One) achieve that, and DC published into popularity all the other great ones like the Alan Moore books and Vertigo titles. Marvel has a better roster of heroes, DC has better celebrated stories. I personally think all superheroes should quit.

Go read Daredevil Yellow before you type anything else, ever. And for the record, I hate Daredevil as a character (lol blind superhero that can see ), but I can acknowledge a good book when I see it.

DD:Y was the first thing to pop into my head. I'm sure theres tons more.

 

[SouLeSS]

Actually,...........


The comic being referenced was groundbreaking. Marvel had yet to address Race, Government, Drugs, and on a much more subtle level "sex".

DC gave us the first Hero "Junkie" drug user outside of Hour Man,... Who was also a drug addict.

Marvel - I'll give credit,.. took swings at racism and classism - AFTER DC.

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