Should Cosmic Beings/ Abstracts exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

[KangConquers]

Gods beyond Gods. The Essence of the Universe. Living personifications of basic principles, and manifestations of universal functions. Do the abstract characters of Marvel comics have any place in a cinematic universe? Are they too whacky, weird and implausible? Or could they add a sense of wonder?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

They just make Marvel Universe much sweeter.

More to chew on.

Sorry for the food analogies. I'm hungry.

 

[KevanG]

They've already introduced the Collector in Thor TDW and he'll be in GotG. Thanos is already showing up in GotG as well and I'd expect to see Death by the time A3 comes out. I doubt we'd see the Watcher as he's usually with the FF but we can expect to see a few at any rate.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I say, sure. The idea that any of these CBM integrated universes need to be either totally grounded, and if not then totally over the top nut job crazy is the wrong way to look at things. Fans of these characters from comics should be used to a fictional milieu where Daredevil or Batman can be involved with the most gritty, noir-ish crime stories, and The Avengers and Superman can at the same time be struggling against aliens and arguing the nature of reality with cosmic beings.

 

[bubbadoom]

They've already introduced the Collector in Thor TDW and he'll be in GotG. Thanos is already showing up in GotG as well and I'd expect to see Death by the time A3 comes out. I doubt we'd see the Watcher as he's usually with the FF but we can expect to see a few at any rate.

Here's hoping Death is Hela from Thor and not that visually dull skull faced chick...

 

[Airwings]

Aren't the asgardians cosmic beings?

 

[Hyde]

I'd say yeah. Maybe wait until we get around to the Infinity Gauntlet story but I don't see why not, it makes the universe more philosophical and grown-up.

 

[PyroChamber]

I am a bit curious on if the Celestials would work though.

 

[KevanG]

They need a lot of backstory to make sense but if they do it in bits here and there or even have Knowhere in GotG then it might work if they just mention it a few times. Not sure how the presentation would go over though;

 

[The Endless]

I think for now it'd be best to just hint and allude to there being forces and abstract beings at work in the universe.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think it'd be best, and simpler, to lump all the uber cosmic beings as Celestials, and deal with the mostly in concert, and as things only known to uber beings like Thanos and The Collector.

 

[KangConquers]

Aren't the asgardians cosmic beings?

No. The cosmic beings are on a much higher level than the Asgardians. The Asgardians are essentially highly advanced aliens, with mystical abilities who were mistaken for "Gods." The cosmic beings/ abstracts are for the most part actually omnipotent. Actually "Gods" in a sense. Thor would have as tough of a time killing an actual "Cosmic Being" as Aunt May would have killing Thor. It's simply beyond his ability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entity_%28Marvel_Comics%29

A basic list of cosmic beings, with links to their respective pages.

 

[Son of Coul]

As far as Abstract concepts being personified like Death, Chaos, etc I think it's best to maybe plant the seeds in movies like GotG and bring them in later on down the line to keep things fresh and weird in the world.

 

[metaphysician]

Depends on the cosmic, I'd say. That said, we're pretty much assured of getting the Celestials in some form, seeing as Knowhere is a place in GotG. I wouldn't be shocked if Dr Strange has some expansion in that regard.

 

[Neo_3]

No. The cosmic beings are on a much higher level than the Asgardians. The Asgardians are essentially highly advanced aliens, with mystical abilities who were mistaken for "Gods." The cosmic beings/ abstracts are for the most part actually omnipotent. Actually "Gods" in a sense. Thor would have as tough of a time killing an actual "Cosmic Being" as Aunt May would have killing Thor. It's simply beyond his ability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_entity_(Marvel_Comics)

A basic list of cosmic beings, with links to their respective pages.

So you think Thor could kill a Cosmic Being?

 

[metaphysician]

No, he said exactly the opposite, unless you think Aunt May could kill Thor.

That said, it *really* depends on what you mean by "cosmic being". There are a wide range, with people like Eternity and Death at the top, who are obviously far beyond what Thor or the other gods can do. However, down at the bottom end of the scale you have guys like Eon and Epoch, who Thor probably *could* kill, and are generally less powerful than Thor at that. And that still leaves cases like the Elder Gods and Vishanti: are they cosmic beings, or honking powerful gods?

 

[KangConquers]

No, he said exactly the opposite, unless you think Aunt May could kill Thor.

That said, it *really* depends on what you mean by "cosmic being". There are a wide range, with people like Eternity and Death at the top, who are obviously far beyond what Thor or the other gods can do. However, down at the bottom end of the scale you have guys like Eon and Epoch, who Thor probably *could* kill, and are generally less powerful than Thor at that. And that still leaves cases like the Elder Gods and Vishanti: are they cosmic beings, or honking powerful gods?

Elder Gods are above the Earthly Pantheons.

Generally the hierarchy goes:

The One Above All
The Living Tribunal
Abstracts (Eternity/ Infinity, Death/ Oblivion, Chaos/ Order)
Cosmics (Galactus, In-Betweener, Stranger, Celestials, The Watchers)
Elder Gods (Gaea, Chthon, Set)
Cube Beings (Kosmos, Kubik, Post-retcon Beyonder)
Skyfathers (Odin, Zeus, Vishnu)


So if we were going by the comics, there would be several tiers of beings higher than Thor, or even Odin (who thus far, is the most powerful character to show up in the MCU.)

 

[Iceman]

Not sure about the likes of Galactus but some cosmic beings like Surfer have to be in.