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Should Spidey and MJ be married? Poll says yes

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Another comic website, which shall remain nameless, had a poll. It asks since the comics are hinting that OMD might be reversed, Do fans want them married?

Right now over 3000 have voted and 89% want them back together. Thoughts?
 
Of course they do, OMD is universally despised. My thoughts are that the marriage is viewed through rose-tinted glasses, but I'm not remotely surprised by the results.
 
I liked having Pete married. They struggled to write conflict sometimes but it was nice. She wasn't just a damsel in distress either. They both made things work.
 
Of course there were some clunker stories written during the marriage era. Stories that were repetitive or just head scratching (MJ's smoking was like... "What? Why are they wasting time on this?") but overall it was good for the character as where he AND MJ were in say 1978, was not where they were in 1998. Things moved on from teen Pete and his adolescent angst. Frankly, and I don't care if I am alone on this... May should have died. The repercussions of THAT would have enough to add all sorts of drama to Peter and MJ's lives and marriage. Some fans and some creators think Peter's appeal is being some kind of eternal teenage or single dude. No... Peter's appeal is being the hero that unlike Superman, Batman or most others actually has changed and grown... Until they decided that Pete would trade his marriage with the devil to keep his been dying since the 1960's aunt alive.
 
I love the marriage.
Is he really a man child in the current run? If so, they need to fix that before getting the duo hitched again.
 
What are these hints that OMD might be reversed? Because I've been hearing that song so many times, I want to known why this time I should care?

Renew Your Vows, Post Secret-Wars, Original Sin (when people thought the secret Peter would discover would be his forgotten marriage), these are times people said that OMD would be undone or remembered.
 
OMD was rediscovered in OMIT.
Dr. Strange did it.
 
Of course they do, OMD is universally despised. My thoughts are that the marriage is viewed through rose-tinted glasses, but I'm not remotely surprised by the results.

Of course it is and rightly so. It destroyed nearly 20 years of continuity and Spider-Girl all because Marvel felt Peter would be so much better as a single guy. IMO, it turned out for the worse.

MJ gets a lot of flack but I've yet to see a female character since OMD that's come close to her on any level. Look at the sales figures for comics that feature her...Invincible Iron Man saw a boost from her inclusion, RYV went thru 4 printings, and this upcoming ASM#15 with Iron Jane is probably gonna be the highest selling one since the new reboot. There's no denying her popularity.



What are these hints that OMD might be reversed? Because I've been hearing that song so many times, I want to known why this time I should care?

Renew Your Vows, Post Secret-Wars, Original Sin (when people thought the secret Peter would discover would be his forgotten marriage), these are times people said that OMD would be undone or remembered.

When RYV was initially teased, many thought it might be OMD being erased but it turned out it was just a Secret Wars story. Nonetheless, people were ecstatic of what it could have meant. Anyway, now we have essentially the same story of RYV occuring in ASM--Regent is the villain stealing hero's powers. There's been several hints along the way about OMD.

Probably the biggest hint was during Spider-Man/Deadpool issue #5. Long story short, Peter was killed twice by Deadpool and while Pete was in some version of hell, after battling a demon Mysterio, this happened:

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That's just to throw fans off-guard.
Another Marvel Masterful Trolling.
 
That's just to throw fans off-guard.
Another Marvel Masterful Trolling.

Probably. I'm sure Marvel is aware of how much the fans hate OMD and they'll probably just continue to ignore it even in the face of sales that RYV posted. It's just a marketing tactic, teasing the fans, that they'll continue to use in the future to help boost sales.
 
Probably. I'm sure Marvel is aware of how much the fans hate OMD and they'll probably just continue to ignore it even in the face of sales that RYV posted. It's just a marketing tactic, teasing the fans, that they'll continue to use in the future to help boost sales.
Nothing better than how this move always works. LOL
Every time I read RYV, I think of this guy
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YES!!! i like my characters to grow and evolve as time goes by ( even if they are fictional) it makes sense and not " real " for that dude to be 40 years living with freaking aunt may( people would start to talk. they should grow up get married have kids and die!( then of course come back to life) selling his soul was some dumb ass &* if they want to end how about oh i dont know a DIVORCE!!!
geez louise how hard was that but being freaking married made sense even if marrying a hot redhead who would marry somebody whos broke and always have to go see their aunt at the drop ofa dime ( people would talk about that) didn't!
just my 4 cents and a nickle.. lets see that makes.. carry the one..divide the 2.. hehe
 
Peter being married goes a long way toward shaking him out of the loser man-child mold he otherwise settles into, so I'm all for it.
 
YES!!! i like my characters to grow and evolve as time goes by ( even if they are fictional) it makes sense and not " real " for that dude to be 40 years living with freaking aunt may( people would start to talk. they should grow up get married have kids and die!( then of course come back to life) selling his soul was some dumb ass &* if they want to end how about oh i dont know a DIVORCE!!!
geez louise how hard was that but being freaking married made sense even if marrying a hot redhead who would marry somebody whos broke and always have to go see their aunt at the drop ofa dime ( people would talk about that) didn't!
just my 4 cents and a nickle.. lets see that makes.. carry the one..divide the 2.. hehe

It's a fair point and one that Marvel or Quesada or whomever just seems to want to ignore. Peter Parker was designed to evolve and grow up. That's exactly what Stan and Steve and John intended for the character...he was supposed to go thru life with the readers, to go from shy awkward high school student to become a confident young man and then onto adulthood. Peter was thinking about marriage as early as issue #100. He is relatable in the sense that on the page he is growing up with the people who are reading his stories. I went thru the same transition from awkward teenager to gaining confidence and I'm now married with kids. But according to Marvel, this makes me unrelatable. Instead I should be acting like a petulant child as I jet set around the globe in fancy tech under the umbrella of a corporation that I inherited.

As for the marriage, many make the argument that being married to a supermodel somehow makes life so easy for Peter yet the same group are happy that he has this huge success and money from his tech cause it makes his life easier. MJ constantly referred to as a supermodel is just as absurd.
 
As for the marriage, many make the argument that being married to a supermodel somehow makes life so easy for Peter yet the same group are happy that he has this huge success and money from his tech cause it makes his life easier. MJ constantly referred to as a supermodel is just as absurd.
The one time they lived in a fancy apartment his wife could afford they got kicked out of it, and went house hunting again, until after long Harry offered them a home.
Then comes in Spectacular 200, and not long after they lost another place to live in.

I never got how MJ somehow makes life easier to him, when neither her nor his rich brother like friend did not make his life easier. I guess fans who don't like MJ should check J.M. Dematteis work on Spectacular from start to end.
 
Was never a fan of the marriage to begin with. Was never a fan of how they ended the marriage. So, I'm conflicted. I've enjoyed how Slott has written their relationship since OMD. I'm still way back on Renew your Vows so I have no idea what direction he's gone with that relationship. However, if seemed to me that Slott has been sort of teasing them getting back together for a while now.

I would like to see it but I say do the right thing, move in together first, see how things go. :oldrazz:
 
I could care less how it plays out, but marrying Spider-Man in the first place was a HUGE mistake in my opinion.
 
I could care less how it plays out, but marrying Spider-Man in the first place was a HUGE mistake in my opinion.

Would you mind giving your reasons for that? No hostility meant; I find myself often posting multiple paragraphs all about how I think superheroes having marriages broken up is a sign of regression and static stagnation of the brand, and I just haven't run into anyone yet who's gone as big in their defense of the affect of OMD.

So, if you wouldn't mind, why do you think Spiderman being married was a a bad thing? And how do you view the decades in which he was married?
 
Would you mind giving your reasons for that? No hostility meant; I find myself often posting multiple paragraphs all about how I think superheroes having marriages broken up is a sign of regression and static stagnation of the brand, and I just haven't run into anyone yet who's gone as big in their defense of the affect of OMD.

So, if you wouldn't mind, why do you think Spiderman being married was a a bad thing? And how do you view the decades in which he was married?

I'll try my best... In the year of my 49th birthday, I'm currently being trampled by my 5 year old and my 2 year after limited sleep from celebrating my 17 year old's high school graduation. So in my defence, my answer might not be as in depth as I might prefer.

My first exposure to Spider-Man was the 67 cartoon back in 1972.
My first Spider-Man comic that I purchased off the rack was ASM #148 in 1975, though I had read my Aunt's beat up copies of Marvel Tales beforehand... I stopped reading last year.

I say all this because I think it gives me better insight with a dozen pre marriage reading years along with the 20 married years along with what followed. I find that a lot (not all) of pro marriage fans all grew up reading Spidey during the 90's and I get that youthful rose coloured glasses effect... Heck, it's why I favour a single Spidey because that was his status of my own youthful rose coloured reading. So right off the bat, this oft heated debate is all very subjected depending on what era readers started... And when I say that, I know old fellows like BlackVulcan who favour the married started reading in the late 60's/early 70's, but I do believe that your initial era of Spidey reading has an impact to the pro/con.

Okay. Peter Parker has had a rough life. Lost his parents. No friends in school. Bullied. Mocked. Limited funds. Naturally, when he becomes Spider-Man, his initial thoughts are fame and cash. We would all go there with the same opportunity. Then Uncle Ben dies because he's selfish. And practically every story that follows is Peter trying to do the right thing, with many times it coming at the expense of his personal life. Truly the act of an inspiring hero. As a kid, you could only hope to be as selfless. Part of why Spidey is so awesome... Never gave up. Did the right thing in spite of how it made his personal life difficult... And keep in mind, a personal life that's happy and warm and comforting, surrounded by love and security... It's what Peter so desperately wants. But the Spectre of Spider-Man always prevents him from achieving that illusion. This all started early on with his first love, Betty Brant. It all made for great reading. But the bottom line is that Peter's responsibility to do good will always trump his desire for a perfect personal life.

Keep in mind, as I try to explain myself, I will not knock the character of MJ. She's an important character that matters. When she left the book after rejecting Peter's first proposal... That was a big deal. And it made her return 5 years later a HUGE deal. Waiting 4 weeks between books at that time was practically unbearable. That moment at the end of Spider Island... Brilliant. A good writer will recognize her importance in the book...and to Peter Parker... regardless of their relationship status.

Anyway, it was exciting when they got married in 1987. I'm not gonna lie. Peter deserved to be happy. To have that perfect life. It's what he strived for. It's what the fans wanted. For our childhood hero to finally catch a break.

Having said that, things went downhill rather quickly. Yes, while we got the Death of Kraven almost immediately afterwards and the introduction of Venom, the stories were suffering. And as a reader at that time, I wasn't blaming the marriage. There was nothing tangible to blame. We had awesome villains and drama in the lives of our hero and his wife. But the lower quality went on...and on...and on...

So I have to make this announcement before going on. I turned 25 in 1992. It's possible that the lower quality was simply a reflection of my age growth, which means it's possible that I was simply outgrowing comics. It's a blurred line. All I can say is that the Spidey comics had lost their lustre in MY opinion (aside from the odd gem here and there)

It's only about 15 years ago with early debates here at the Hype that I made the connection that REGARDLESS of whatever bad crap happened to Spidey, he always went home to a hot redhead that loved him. His personal struggles of the past both as Peter Parker and Spider-Man had been greatly diminished by the addition of what we had all hoped for him to achieve in his early days: happiness, warmth, comfort, love and security. Peter had achieved those things with his marriage to MJ. And by achieving that, it took away the dramatic effect of Peter's decision as Spider-Man because he would have the partner that would "understand". I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across.

And lastly, OMD as a story sucked donkey balls. It was hard to read not because of the end result, but the pains these two characters made. Stories did get better during Brand New Days (this is where someone will bring up the Bob Gale "druuuuggggggggssss" storyline with that forgettable villain), but I also have to take into account that Slott et al brought back sub plots, which had sorely been missing... So did Peter's new relationship status make the stories better? Or reintroducing subplots and asterix', elements of old world storytelling make the stories better? I dunno. But at its core, removing that one element of Peter always striving for happyiness, warmth, comforts, love and security back in 1987 did loads of damage to the character that took me about 15 years to realize.

Hope this helps.
Cheers.
 
The quality of the stories thru the 90s did indeed suffer and imo is probably the worst decade for Spider-Man stories. It stinks that although the marriage existed during that time period it shouldn't be part of the blame as to why those stories weren't up to par. That's just my opinion of course.

Part of what makes Peter so relatable is how he was written. He's just a normal guy with excpetional intelligence who at the core simply wants the basics in life. Happiness is the ultimate goal for any one. At the end of the day I think we all want to achieve that comfort. But this is the basis for Peter--he was meant to grow and evolve in this fashion. Making him be a single guy struggling to find happiness and never reaching the next step is taking away that relatability. I disagree with the notion that just because Peter comes home to a 'hot redhead' his life is just full of happiness and perfect. That's a misstep in logic imo. And this also comes down to the writer/writing. I'm married. And although I am happily married this does not mean it's the end of all things and there are no new challenges left in life. It's this same argument that I see being used for Peter having success as a CEO, that somehow this is ok because he's allowed to have success, but married to a hot redhead?? No, never cause this makes his life just too easy. Relationships in any stage take work, there are still goals to achieve even in marriage and although happiness is present that doesn't make life easy. But, it does make sense that someone should have happiness and support and understanding. That's called growing up. But like any other part of life there will always be struggles...Peter can be happily married and still have that struggle--keep him relatable.

Now OMD is just garbage. It's probably the worst Spider-Man story ever. Like MoB stated, not only because of the end result but because of the manner in how the end result was achieved. If they wanted to end the marriage, fine. There's better ways to do this than erasing so much continuity even in the face of what happened with Peter in CW.
 
Thank you for the response; I've been looking for someone to more eloquently defend the "Spider-Man needs to be single" train of thought. It's not that there aren't eloquent defenders out there, it's that this particular board is far less likely to immediately explode with a dozen more hot headed responses.

Now, I do kind of disagree with your points, but only in a subjective sense; I'm an odd duck of a comic reader to whom growth and evolution of a franchise is far more important than the popular themes of a character. I am very much a product of the 90's; the first comics I got were Death and Return fo Superman, Knightfall, and some of the 90's Spider-Man stuff, and all that was supplemented by foraging into the Internet to master the history and legacies of the superheroes I liked, as well as using those DK Ultimate Guides to do the same thing.

So the odd thing about me is that my tastes in heroes, and Spider-Man in particular, kind of run contrary to perceived core tenants of the character. I don't look forward to seeing Spider-Man unable to find reinforcement for his decisions or some measure of happiness in his life. To me, the character had striven through adversity, and while still plagued with conflict and drama, he had evolved to achieve some measure of stability and built a better world for himself; it wasn't that he'd earned it, because his world is too crazy to let him earn anything, but he'd managed to battle back, find a partner, and conquer some happiness. And I liked that, and it played towards my own tastes as a superhero fan to the extent it gave me biases as to what I think makes Spider-Man cool.

And unlike others, my biases don't like seeing Pete just get broken down more and more and suffer more, at least not as a constant theme. I'm the odd fan who prefers Spider-Man 1 as a movie to Spider-Man 2 because I find myself bored with "the time has come for the world to $#!+ on Peter Parker once more," and I rebel at the idea that Peter finding happiness and following responsibility are mutually exclusive paths. To me, the path of a superhero is one that grows and changes. The ups and downs can not be in repeat; the same drama that effected Spider-Man as a young man should not be the same one impacting him now.

And I tend to think part of the reason some comic creators are so quick to regress a character or relationship back to the old formula is because they're scared of trying new things. Writing Peter as the poor schlub who has to deal with a Tsundere (sorry to use an anime term) roommate trying to kill him one second and make out with him the next is easy; the same basic plot points and cliches were being used in the 1930's. Trying to write real drama and chemistry among two people who are married is much less refined; I think some writers blanch at dealing with arguments that may not end in break ups but in divorce or estrangement, or require the writer to buck up and tackle different conflicts or even write the spouse as an engaging character all the time.

And part and parcel with this is acknowledging that all status quos have an expiration date; if bachelor, never-been-married Peter had to go, than eventually Peter and Mary Jane the young couple has to go to, and that means you have to change them even more. Maybe even make them parents, or get a divorce. You have to use change. And if there's one thing that all comic book fans have issues with, it's change. Eventually, heroes grow old. Suoerman and Batman become fathers. Robin Hood gets sick and goes to Kirklees Priory. King Arthur goes to Camlann. Wally West becomes the Flash. And so maybe Spider-Man has to grow too.

And that's part of the reason why I myself wound up becoming a much bigger DC fan than a Marvel fan. Spider-Man is and was one of my favorite heroes, but I buy pretty much only DC or Pre-OMD stuff, and even on DC stuff I'm usually relegated to Batman, because his is the only franchise that really seems to embrace change by expanding and growing the Batfamily. OMD was probably the worst thing to happen to my Spider-fandom, because it kind of radicalized me; as you yourself noted, it was a horrible story standing alone, and that painted the entire argument for a bachelor Spidey in a bad light for me. But even worse, it seemed to give me a message from Marve, editorial: "We would rather have the Spider-marriage stricken down by a horrible story and lazily substitute the old status quo in than even attempt to organically let things change."
 
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Gerry Conway is heading up a new series as a follow up to Renew Your Vows for the Marvel NOW! It's apparently titled Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. Duh, lol.

But, this is very exciting news! A Spidey comic that I'm actually looking forward to and best of all, NO Dan Slott. Thank goodness.

The current run of ASM is garbage imo so I'll be very content to read and imagine this alternate reality as the real thing and who knows, but this is how change is started. If RYV turns out to be a quality story then I truly hope this series out sells the main book.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/11/scoop-gerry-conway-and-ryan-stegman-revisit-renew-your-vows-for-marvel-now/
 
I like a lot about Slott's writing, but he can't seem to do anything except for wildly large changes for his stories: Doc Ock takes over Spidey's body, Spider-verse, Spidey is suddenly heading up massive worldwide tech corporation, etc.

How about some down to Earth stories? I much prefer that for a character like Spidey.

Now to return him to his normal status quo they'll have to have his company crash for some reason and then everyone in the world will have to start acting like him previously being a household name in technology never happened. It's going to be stupid either way.
 

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