Infinity War Should the Defenders/Agents of SHIELD cameo in the film?

[fire117]

I agree.

The Defenders finished filming in March 2017 which is a month or 2 into Infinity War. Should have been easy to bring them onboard as well as the Agents of Shield cast. (They finish their season filming by early April).

Great minds think alike.

Good point.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Exactly it needs to be shown that the shows and films are all connected once and for all. A cameo from Agents of SHIELD should also needs to happen to reinforce the fact it's all connected.

I think it's fairly obvious at this point that they're not going to cameo. So if they just had some dialogue directly referencing the Defenders that would still suffice

 

[MbJ]

Exactly it needs to be shown that the shows and films are all connected once and for all.

I don't think Marvel cares about that, at this point.

 

[Aximili86]

Even the people making the TV shows don't, and that's fine.

Remember, Joss has flat-out said he considers Coulson dead and that AoS is a "weird fever dream" (think those were his exact words, from memory). That doesn't mean Jed & Maurissa necessarily see it the same way, but the guy who conceptualized the show itself sees it as a "what if?" thing.

It's not going to happen, Netflix or ABC/Hulu characters alike. And not just logistically - they're all on different creative pages and seem to not even have any desire to try to make it work.

Which is probably even for the best.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't think Marvel cares about that, at this point.

I haven't seen JJ season 2 yet but the trailer namedropped cap again

Even the people making the TV shows don't, and that's fine.

Remember, Joss has flat-out said he considers Coulson dead and that AoS is a "weird fever dream" (think those were his exact words, from memory). That doesn't mean Jed & Maurissa necessarily see it the same way, but the guy who conceptualized the show itself sees it as a "what if?" thing.

It's not going to happen, Netflix or ABC/Hulu characters alike. And not just logistically - they're all on different creative pages and seem to not even have any desire to try to make it work.

Which is probably even for the best.

Narratively though they are all on the same creative page being that they're all in the same universe. Nothing changes that fact

 

[warhorse78]

Even the people making the TV shows don't, and that's fine.

Remember, Joss has flat-out said he considers Coulson dead and that AoS is a "weird fever dream" (think those were his exact words, from memory). That doesn't mean Jed & Maurissa necessarily see it the same way, but the guy who conceptualized the show itself sees it as a "what if?" thing.

It's not going to happen, Netflix or ABC/Hulu characters alike. And not just logistically - they're all on different creative pages and seem to not even have any desire to try to make it work.

Which is probably even for the best.

But, Joss was pretty much booted after the dismal AOU, so what he thinks is irrelevant.

 

[Aximili86]

He wasn't "booted". He conceptualized all of the main characters (Daisy & Coulson aside who already existed), probably even the general broad story arc for season 1.

He just only directed the pilot then handed it off to his little brother and his sister-in-law.

It basically sounds like Disney/ABC wanted a S.H.I.E.L.D show, wanted Coulson as the "in" to that show, Joss considers him dead for-really-reals in The Avengers but was willing to play along and at least try to point the show in an interesting direction. But as far as he's concerned it all still "didn't happen" in-universe.

And we know Markus & McFeely don't watch/keep up with AoS from a couple comments they've made. We don't know about the Russos, but there's nothing pointing toward them being aware of/following this stuff.

Again, Jed & Maurissa might see it totally differently from Joss. But it does sound like it's still a "the movies influence the shows, but the shows will never have any bearing on the movies" situation. With the ABC stuff at least, and you'd figure that'd go for Netflix too given they have even less carry-over with the creative staff/writers/producers.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's fairly obvious at this point that they're not going to cameo. So if they just had some dialogue directly referencing the Defenders that would still suffice

It would be better if they were to be included/mentioned to cameo than just be mentioned. Audiences who don't watch the shows, which on a probable 1.5 billion dollar film will be high, and they don't really occupy a space in Marvel that will be relevant once Thanos is here. Having them in a diner or something watching a TV would be the extent of any inclusion I think they realistically can have, but even there I will be surprised if it happens.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But, Joss was pretty much booted after the dismal AOU, so what he thinks is irrelevant.

He wasn't booted. He left of his own accord after AoU heavily drained him.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It would be better if they were to be included/mentioned to cameo than just be mentioned. Audiences who don't watch the shows, which on a probable 1.5 billion dollar film will be high, and they don't really occupy a space in Marvel that will be relevant once Thanos is here. Having them in a diner or something watching a TV would be the extent of any inclusion I think they realistically can have, but even there I will be surprised if it happens.

of course an actual appearance from them all is the best case scenario, but there's zero evidence to believe it will happen. we don't know the dialogue in the scripts though there is a small chance they'll at least be mentioned.

 

[Spider-Fan]

of course an actual appearance from them all is the best case scenario, but there's zero evidence to believe it will happen. we don't know the dialogue in the scripts though there is a small chance they'll at least be mentioned.

I think it is beyond highly doubtful. I don't see a logical way to transition the dialogue to mention them based on what the story is about. We're dealing with cosmic threats, infinity stones, invasions, large scale sieges, etc. There really is not a reason they would mention who amounts to street level heroes. I just don't see them coming up logically within the context of the story.

 

[HKpowerup]

I say keep the TV universe out of the MCU, there are enough characters as it is, and scenes or references to TV will just make things more convoluted (especially in IW) than it already is.

It was very silly of Marvel to have the serials take place in the same universe as the MCU in my opinion.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I say keep the TV universe out of the MCU, there are enough characters as it is, and scenes or references to the TV will just make things more convoluted (especially in IW) than it already is.

It was very silly of Marvel to have the serials take place in the same universe as the MCU in my opinion.

I disagree there. Having the TV universe and movie universe connected is fine and I like it. I do think Marvel is correct that the TV side not effecting the main world of the film's is the best way to go, as well. To this point, I don't think anything in the Netflix shows has warranted being mentioned in the movies. AoS are closer to having those types of mentions because they deal in threats closer to what the Avengers would face (albiet, still smaller scale).

Honestly, I think how the MCU is being handled now is fine. There is a defined system of tiers for the heroes and the threats they face, and I think it works.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I think it is beyond highly doubtful. I don't see a logical way to transition the dialogue to mention them based on what the story is about. We're dealing with cosmic threats, infinity stones, invasions, large scale sieges, etc. There really is not a reason they would mention who amounts to street level heroes. I just don't see them coming up logically within the context of the story.

I agree that it makes more than enough sense to mention the heroes in NY all things considered, though I've pretty much said it many times by now.


hm...I have to say I'm surprised you are having a change of heart, Spiderfan. Wasn't it with you in both this thread and another thread that I had discussions with having to explain why they should appear/be mentioned?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I agree that it makes more than enough sense to mention the heroes in NY all things considered, though I've pretty much said it many times by now.


hm...I have to say I'm surprised you are having a change of heart, Spiderfan. Wasn't it with you in both this thread and another thread that I had discussions with having to explain why they should appear/be mentioned?

It's not so much a change of heart on this subject as I don't think they need to be in it. But, if they were to appear or be mentioned in some capacity, a full appearance makes more sense than a mention as I can picture a reason to show them, even if it is brief, more easily than I can see them being mentioned in dialogue. I think the dialogue would not be organic, while them being in the background somewhere or something during an action scene, or watching it on TV would be easier to fit into the narrative.

 

[JOE]

At first I feel like I wanted them to, but now I'm changing my mind. The 60 odd characters in this are going to be crammed enough. Maybe in the next movie when half the characters are dead and less screen time to share, hahah!... *cries in a corner*

 

[fire117]

Even the people making the TV shows don't, and that's fine.

Remember, Joss has flat-out said he considers Coulson dead and that AoS is a "weird fever dream" (think those were his exact words, from memory). That doesn't mean Jed & Maurissa necessarily see it the same way, but the guy who conceptualized the show itself sees it as a "what if?" thing.

It's not going to happen, Netflix or ABC/Hulu characters alike. And not just logistically - they're all on different creative pages and seem to not even have any desire to try to make it work.

Which is probably even for the best.

Well fact is the shows are in the same universe as the shows so even though he considers Coulson dead and AoS a weird fever dream. He is wrong. More of a connection between the shows and films needs to happen on screen and not just in fanfics. A way to do that is having the Avengers learn Coulson is alive. Even if it's only brief like this for instance.

Tony was knocked to the ground by Thanos, as the Mad Titan was about to finish him off, he was hit by a weapon blast and Tony to his shock saw Phil Coulson holding a large weapon at Thanos, firing again forcing the Mad Titan to fall back.

Tony got up and said in shock "I thought you were dead. How are you alive?"

Phil said "i got better. Long story how, let's deal with him first."

With that Tony went back on the attack against Thanos Phil opened fire again from a distance.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Nothing Coulson does should ever rock Thanos.

 

[fire117]

Nothing Coulson does should ever rock Thanos.

Well the weapon he used on Loki might make Thanos take a step back, that scene I wrote was just an example of how Coulson could show up in Avengers IW or Avengers 4 in a brief cameo scene.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It's not so much a change of heart on this subject as I don't think they need to be in it. But, if they were to appear or be mentioned in some capacity, a full appearance makes more sense than a mention as I can picture a reason to show them, even if it is brief, more easily than I can see them being mentioned in dialogue. I think the dialogue would not be organic, while them being in the background somewhere or something during an action scene, or watching it on TV would be easier to fit into the narrative.

well yeah you're discussing reasonably about it now. but before it seemed like you were vehemently against any association between Netflix and big screen MCU.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Tony was knocked to the ground by Thanos, as the Mad Titan was about to finish him off, he was hit by a weapon blast and Tony to his shock saw Phil Coulson holding a large weapon at Thanos, firing again forcing the Mad Titan to fall back.

Tony got up and said in shock "I thought you were dead. How are you alive?"

Phil said "i got better. Long story how, let's deal with him first."

With that Tony went back on the attack against Thanos Phil opened fire again from a distance.

Well the weapon he used on Loki might make Thanos take a step back, that scene I wrote was just an example of how Coulson could show up in Avengers IW or Avengers 4 in a brief cameo scene.

 

[MbJ]

I haven't seen JJ season 2 yet but the trailer namedropped cap again

The TV shows have been namedropping the movies since they began. The movies still ignore them.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The TV shows have been namedropping the movies since they began. The movies still ignore them.

I am aware of that

 

[shadowboxxx]

Sad to say but... The defenders dont deserve to get in there.

 

[Drizzle]

Well fact is the shows are in the same universe as the shows so even though he considers Coulson dead and AoS a weird fever dream. He is wrong. More of a connection between the shows and films needs to happen on screen and not just in fanfics. A way to do that is having the Avengers learn Coulson is alive. Even if it's only brief like this for instance.

Tony was knocked to the ground by Thanos, as the Mad Titan was about to finish him off, he was hit by a weapon blast and Tony to his shock saw Phil Coulson holding a large weapon at Thanos, firing again forcing the Mad Titan to fall back.

Tony got up and said in shock "I thought you were dead. How are you alive?"

Phil said "i got better. Long story how, let's deal with him first."

With that Tony went back on the attack against Thanos Phil opened fire again from a distance.